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PrimeNumbers's Avatar Comment 1 by PrimeNumbers

I actually thought they understood Ratzinger and the RCC rather well.... From my reading they did indeed show them the "respect" that they truly deserved - as in none at all.

Tue, 27 Apr 2010 11:55:00 UTC | #463309

KRKBAB's Avatar Comment 2 by KRKBAB

Anjoum Noorani, 31, was the leader of the Papal Visit Team- oh how I would love to have those duties. Think of the possibilities.

Tue, 27 Apr 2010 11:57:00 UTC | #463311

Algeron's Avatar Comment 3 by Algeron

How eager the church is to latch onto leaked non-Catholic documents! This list is obviously an inter-colleague joke that went around the office and fell into the hands of someone who mistook it for something it wasn't. Then it was passed on to clergy who, unsurprisingly, can't quite seem to grasp the modern-age fad called "humor" because there are no written instructions for it in any holy text.

Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:04:00 UTC | #463314

supergod's Avatar Comment 4 by supergod

The British Government should take a leaf out of this man's book and cancel the visit due to lack of "respect".

Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:09:00 UTC | #463316

Richard Dawkins's Avatar Comment 5 by Richard Dawkins

I have just sent the following letter to the Master of Balliol College, Oxford:-

The Master
Balliol College
Oxford

Dear Master

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1269077/Revealed-papal-visit-chief-wrote-memo-mocking-Pope.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Both FO culprits, the one responsible for the splendid joke memo about the Pope's visit, and the one responsible for circulating it, are Balliol graduates. So are Christopher Hitchens and I (calling for the arrest of the Pope).
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/11/critics-trial-pope-benedict-xvi

Maybe Balliol's Development Office could point to the college's obviously good influence in the world, as additional grounds for soliciting donations.

All good wishes
Richard

In the words of that staunch Catholic, Hilaire Belloc:

Here is a House that armours a man
With the eyes of a boy and the heart of a ranger,
And a laughing way in the teeth of the world
And a holy hunger and thirst for danger:
Balliol made me, Balliol fed me,
Whatever I had she gave me again:
And the best of Balliol loved and led me.
God be with you, Balliol men.

Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:14:00 UTC | #463317

fasharoony's Avatar Comment 6 by fasharoony

If I were a conspiracy theorist, I'd say that this might be aimed at giving the pope a good excuse to avoid coming to Britain thus avoiding being arrested ? :)

Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:16:00 UTC | #463318

Pete.K's Avatar Comment 7 by Pete.K

Papal aides believe the Government’s choice of non-Catholic staff typifies the “lack of respect” being shown towards the first ever state visit by a Pontiff.
And that demonstrates why the RCC should NOT be shown any respect. If the only way the can get respect is by loading the dice, then they clearly don't understand how respect is earned.

Quite honestly this memo thing may be the best thing to happen in Whitehall in years, with any luck it will give the pope the back door out of his scandalous visit, at our expense.

I'll still hang on to the festering eggs though, just in case!

Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:18:00 UTC | #463319

Peter Grant's Avatar Comment 8 by Peter Grant

Anjoum Noorani, you rule!

Senior members of the church are even funnier when they get so offended by one whom they claim has “not the slightest understanding of Catholicism”

Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:19:00 UTC | #463320

mmurray's Avatar Comment 9 by mmurray

So is this standard practice in the Foreign Office? The team handling a state visit are chosen especially to know nothing about the state in question?

Sir Humphrey, Bernard where are you ?

Michael

Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:24:00 UTC | #463323

aquilacane's Avatar Comment 10 by aquilacane

I don't think Steven Mulvain's emailing of the document shows any less respect to the Catholic church than the church's take on gays does to Mr. Mulvain. Of course, he's not so bloody self indulged as to throw a hissy everytime the church reminds us of their hatred towards the gay community.

Always this fucking respect request. Earn it, assholes! You can't ask for it, it's given.

Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:26:00 UTC | #463325

SaganTheCat's Avatar Comment 11 by SaganTheCat

henry xiii and elizabeth would be turning in their graves at the behaviour of our politicians backpeddling over this

I applaud Anjoum Noorani. even if he didn't have full understanding of catholicism at the time, he does now. everything he thought in the first place but with the collective emotional stability of a 5 year old

Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:27:00 UTC | #463327

Szymanowski's Avatar Comment 12 by Szymanowski

@mmurray

So is this standard practice in the Foreign Office? The team handling a state visit are chosen especially to know nothing about the state in question?
They're not Catholics, yet I expect they know quite a lot about the Vatican. I hesitate to generalise, but Catholics tend to be a bit selective of the facts.

We've moved on from Sir Humphrey, it's Malcolm Tucker who calls the shots now.

(I mean in political sitcoms, not the Civil Service)

Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:33:00 UTC | #463329

phasmagigas's Avatar Comment 13 by phasmagigas

amazing that a collosal institution that claims to have absolute, unique knowlege of the creator of the universe and has hundreds of millions in its lap can get its colossal knickers in such a twist over some words on a piece of paper. respect?? the caltholic church deserves nothing but the absolute opposite.

Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:35:00 UTC | #463330

Narvi's Avatar Comment 14 by Narvi

...Why did the papers phone his mother? He's 31, I should hope he could make his own decisions.

Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:36:00 UTC | #463331

Augustus Carp's Avatar Comment 15 by Augustus Carp

This interests me..."Papal aides believe the Government’s choice of non-Catholic staff typifies the “lack of respect” being shown towards the first ever state visit by a Pontiff"

So... HMG has to assign catholics to the papal visit team to show sufficient respect to Benedict. That is frankly outrageous. The overblown sense of entitlement really is breathtaking.

I wonder if the Israelis or Jordanians put catholic only staff on the case when The Pope visited their countries? Clearly, a visit to Saudi Arabia is out of the question.

Three cheers to Anjoum Noorani. Get him on the after-dinner speaking circuit

Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:41:00 UTC | #463332

SeculR's Avatar Comment 16 by SeculR

The moment anyone demands respect, is the moment they have declared themselves unworthy of it.

Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:53:00 UTC | #463334

Steve Zara's Avatar Comment 17 by Steve Zara

The memo, which was leaked to The Sunday Telegraph, threatens to overshadow the Pope’s entire four-day visit


My goodness. That must be an extremely large memo.

The memo, which also called for the Pope to bless a homosexual marriage, was emailed around Whitehall by Steven Mulvain, a 23-year-old Oxford graduate who describes his sexual orientation on a social networking website as “gay”.


How very Telegraph. A touch of "posing as a sodomite" about they way they phrase this.

Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:53:00 UTC | #463335

PrimeNumbers's Avatar Comment 18 by PrimeNumbers

As always it should be Ratzinger and the RCC apologizing, after all they're the ones that bugger little boys, abuse them, and then hide the perpetrators away from the authorities.

Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:57:00 UTC | #463336

Tiende Landeplage's Avatar Comment 19 by Tiende Landeplage

The memo, which was leaked to The Sunday Telegraph, threatens to overshadow the Pope’s entire four-day visit in September after it prompted fury in the Vatican and among Catholics in Britain.

And here I thought an entirely different, and some might say more serious, matter was already "threatening to overshadow" his visit.

Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:57:00 UTC | #463337

Quetzalcoatl's Avatar Comment 20 by Quetzalcoatl

Steve Zara-

The memo, which was leaked to The Sunday Telegraph, threatens to overshadow the Pope’s entire four-day visit


My goodness. That must be an extremely large memo.


Hahaha, excellent.

Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:03:00 UTC | #463338

Mark Jones's Avatar Comment 21 by Mark Jones

Anjoum Noorani is a good egg. And of course, Stephen Mulvain.

Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:04:00 UTC | #463340

Eyerish's Avatar Comment 22 by Eyerish

It does not matter that none of the people on the Papal visit team are Catholics or not. They were or should have been employed based on skills and competence not faith/sexuality/relationship/marital status etc. To employ them on any other grounds other than skills/competence/qualifications would be illegal.
Besides it was a 'brainstorming' exercise and that includes writing down all ideas - including those that may be questionable.
By raising this matter and keeping it in the media the RCC has successfully kicked an 'own goal' by drawing everyone's attention to the pope and all issues that the church is facing. It allows us to keep the pressure on him and the church for accountability.

Perhaps other things the Pope could do is to play a game of ‘pass the ticking parcel’ with IRA and the other nutters on the loyalist side, or take part in the stage version of Monty Python’s Holly Grail by reading the instructions to the ‘Holly hand grenade’, or maybe he could simply have a few beers down the pub with the islamists who seriously need to chill out as well, or someone could take the pope to the tattoo parlour and get an image of Mohammed and Jesus sitting around a table playing cards with some bulldogs with cigars and smoking joints saying “Wow man, now I can see god – he’s like a big purple elephant” tattooed on his arse. I'm sure we could all think of some more activities to keep the Pope busy - but unfortuately "sitting in the dock a the Old Baily" is one of the less likely things the Pope will do.

Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:08:00 UTC | #463341

severalspeciesof's Avatar Comment 23 by severalspeciesof

“All of our dealings with this Foreign Office team have suggested they don’t have any understanding of Catholicism and that’s how this issue seems to have come about."
I'd like to know how it would be possible, for a group who doesn't have any understanding of Catholicism, to push all the 'right' buttons to get this kind of attention...

Seems to me they know the church quite well...

Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:23:00 UTC | #463344

MarkOnTheRiver's Avatar Comment 24 by MarkOnTheRiver

Mr Noorani, whose identity has until now remained secret, was moved to “other duties” after he gave authorisation for the memo to be sent to Downing Street and three Whitehall departments.

I suppose it’s too much to hope that his “other duties” might involve brainstorming a visit from representatives of Saudi Arabia.

Perhaps it might include; a visit to a nightclub – plenty of earthquake inducing opportunities there - a night spent in a battered women’s hostel and rounded off with a walkabout / meet the locals in the streets of Golders Green.

Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:24:00 UTC | #463345

fsm1965's Avatar Comment 25 by fsm1965

I think this CS knows the bigoted Catholics all too well...

Most people in this country know them well, cuz they try and shove their agenda down everyone's throat at the slightest opportunity, anti-abortion, anti-gay, anti-stem cell research, anti-any other faith - am I getting close?

(Not bad for a non-Catholic)!

Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:34:00 UTC | #463346

Jos Gibbons's Avatar Comment 26 by Jos Gibbons

So a guy who deliberately listed things Catholics dislike, thus annoying them, doesn't understand them? Erm ... yes he does.

Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:41:00 UTC | #463347

Cartomancer's Avatar Comment 27 by Cartomancer

I do hope nobody is assuming that the shadowy, velvet-gloved hand of the Oxford University Gay Mafia is behind this incident. If they are then we're going to have to review the publicity procedures, because this wasn't supposed to be revealed until next Thursday. Stern words will be said (with fabulous diction, and perhaps a slight lisp for emphasis, but stern words nonetheless).

Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:48:00 UTC | #463349

God fearing Atheist's Avatar Comment 28 by God fearing Atheist

Well Richard, now you know the identity of the young wag, you'll have to invite him to tea!

Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:50:00 UTC | #463350

Saganic Rites's Avatar Comment 29 by Saganic Rites

Comment #484121 by MarkOnTheRiver on April 27, 2010 at 2:24 pm

I suppose it’s too much to hope that his “other duties” might involve brainstorming a visit from representatives of Saudi Arabia.

Perhaps it might include; a visit to a nightclub – plenty of earthquake inducing opportunities there - a night spent in a battered women’s hostel and rounded off with a walkabout / meet the locals in the streets of Golders Green


Or maybe shake hands with convicted thieves?

Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:59:00 UTC | #463352

Nunbeliever's Avatar Comment 30 by Nunbeliever

As someone else pointed out here. The main problem with religions is their total lack of humour and self-distance.

Tue, 27 Apr 2010 14:03:00 UTC | #463353