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Rich Wiltshir's Avatar Comment 1 by Rich Wiltshir

Another attempt for publicity; keep the vile institution in the public consciousness

Sun, 21 Nov 2010 15:40:05 UTC | #550981

Ali Duncan's Avatar Comment 2 by Ali Duncan

Salt is overestimated. It's simply a medium through which the defrosting properties of religious blessing are transmitted to the road surface. Blessings do work, but they have to be accompanied by some ritual or other, such as drilling for miners, road gritting, or indeed the discovery of new planets. When will people learn.

Sun, 21 Nov 2010 15:44:13 UTC | #550983

Mr Blue Sky's Avatar Comment 3 by Mr Blue Sky

Is the BBC not bad enough without us promoting their nonsensical stories? I am thankful that the lame brain is about to retire. The nonsense is promoted to national news by a partially theocratic organisation and we fall for it by putting it on here! It should have been ignored I think.

Sun, 21 Nov 2010 15:53:11 UTC | #550985

fullyladenswallow's Avatar Comment 4 by fullyladenswallow

The Right Reverend Dr John Saxbee, who retires in January, has blessed the county's fleet each year since 2003.

Do you mean the blessing wears off every year? Obviously never heard of the magnetic plastic Jesus.

Sun, 21 Nov 2010 15:57:14 UTC | #550986

Stonyground's Avatar Comment 5 by Stonyground

Will we ever be free of such primitive superstitions? Really, in an age when anyone who can read has access to almost unlimited knowledge, there is simply no excuse for it.

Sun, 21 Nov 2010 15:59:59 UTC | #550989

beanson's Avatar Comment 6 by beanson

Ass-lick god and he'll let off a few he was gonna kill this year- there's a nice god

Sun, 21 Nov 2010 16:01:18 UTC | #550991

Bernard Hurley's Avatar Comment 7 by Bernard Hurley

Comment 4 by fullyladenswallow

Do you mean the blessing wears off every year?

It's well known that blessings only last about a year. For instance Roman Catholics throw away the holy water used to baptise little babies every Easter and bless a new batch.

Sun, 21 Nov 2010 16:08:58 UTC | #550996

Cartomancer's Avatar Comment 8 by Cartomancer

He said past ceremonies had been followed by a reduction in road deaths, which was "perhaps not a coincidence".

This exemplifies the intellectual sloppiness of the religious mind perfectly. Were someone with a scientific bent approaching something like this "perhaps not a coincidence" would be the springboard for an experimental investigation into whether it actually is a coincidence or not. We have statistical tools to analyze and determine questions of this sort - with the scientific method we can settle them. Bless a randomly selected half of the fleet of gritting vans, then see whether the areas gritted by the blessed vans demonstrate a statistically significant difference in road deaths over and above the unblessed ones (adjusted for traffic densities and other variables, obviously).

But to the religious mind "perhaps not a coincidence" is enough. It might not be effective, but we'll keep doing it anyway because we really want it to be effective. We don't want to actually know the answer, we just want to suggest that our superstitions might be valid, and keep believing they are whatever the truth of the matter. It's not about actually preventing road deaths, it's about pretending we can help and not wanting to be disabused of that notion.

Sun, 21 Nov 2010 16:09:14 UTC | #550997

Gryphon's Avatar Comment 9 by Gryphon

Why don't they alternate between a priest, rabbi, imam, or no one? That might give some useful data on who's imaginary friend is the best.

Sun, 21 Nov 2010 16:24:17 UTC | #551005

jcs's Avatar Comment 10 by jcs

Why didn't he bless the roads, so we don't need gritters at all.

Sun, 21 Nov 2010 16:25:13 UTC | #551007

God fearing Atheist's Avatar Comment 11 by God fearing Atheist

Ah, so this Bish. does not believe in the rarified god of Karen Armstrong but a Father Christmas god who responds to material demands from little children.

As Carto says, that's scientifically demonstrable.

Go on Bish., we are waiting ...

... when you have finished playing with your choo choo train of course.

Sun, 21 Nov 2010 16:39:08 UTC | #551011

DocWebster's Avatar Comment 12 by DocWebster

There is always the Darwinian explanation for the reduction in traffic accidents, the stupid and unlucky drives are petering out leaving the smart and lucky ones to drive more safely.

Sun, 21 Nov 2010 16:40:45 UTC | #551013

KRKBAB's Avatar Comment 13 by KRKBAB

As an American, I was wondering if he get paid for this?- and if so, who pays?

Sun, 21 Nov 2010 16:43:21 UTC | #551014

Stafford Gordon's Avatar Comment 14 by Stafford Gordon

What a laugh!

Sun, 21 Nov 2010 16:51:24 UTC | #551018

rationalmind's Avatar Comment 15 by rationalmind

Here are some quotes from an old newspaper article.

It seems that some senior faithhead police officer had the idea.

A bit of Googling shows that he became chief of police in the Falkland Islands before retiring.

Daily Mirror, The (London, England) - Wednesday, January 7, 2004

A BISHOP was called in to bless a council's gritters - in a bid to help cut road deaths in icy weather.

The Bishop of Lincoln, the Right Rev Dr John Saxbee, led prayers at the city's gritting depot for the drivers,......

The blessing was the idea of Chief Insp Paul Elliott, of Lincolnshire Christian Police Association. He said: "The main aim is to spread a blessing to reverse the trend of fatalities and injury."

Road safety blessing services were held at eight other depots across the county. ...............

Sun, 21 Nov 2010 16:51:52 UTC | #551019

the great teapot's Avatar Comment 16 by the great teapot

About bloody time.

Sun, 21 Nov 2010 16:52:55 UTC | #551021

Emmeline's Avatar Comment 17 by Emmeline

Road deaths have been decreasing nationwide not just in Lincolnshire - clearly nothing to do with any mumbo-jumbo, voodoo, crystals or deluded bishops. It's hard to believe these silly old men in frocks are actually grown-ups.

Sun, 21 Nov 2010 16:59:48 UTC | #551026

Rawhard Dickins's Avatar Comment 18 by Rawhard Dickins

The salt crystals actually focus the blessings due to resonance.

Don't you guys know anything?

Sun, 21 Nov 2010 17:12:50 UTC | #551031

Emmeline's Avatar Comment 19 by Emmeline

Comment 18 by Rawhard Dickins :

The salt crystals actually focus the blessings due to resonance.

Don't you guys know anything?

You're right - I hadn't considered that. ;) Perhaps we should also give due accord to all those homeopathic cures for the severed arteries, crushed livers and smashed skulls that occur in those road accidents that God chooses to overlook on frosty mornings.

Sun, 21 Nov 2010 17:41:32 UTC | #551042

Carlsandman 's Avatar Comment 20 by Carlsandman

God only gets involved once a year, just like Santa!

Sun, 21 Nov 2010 17:43:14 UTC | #551043

Vaal's Avatar Comment 21 by Vaal

Perhaps he should just read some entrails?

Sun, 21 Nov 2010 17:50:29 UTC | #551050

crookedshoes's Avatar Comment 22 by crookedshoes

From another thread (hate to quote myself, but.....)

In order to honor Cardinal Biffi, I propose that we adopt BIFFY as a new verb.

To Bifficate: to speak with zero knowledge of what you are speaking about. Used in sentences:

The creationist bifficated about the age of the earth. The cardinal bifficated about sex and sexuality. I bifficated about my knowledge of the opposite gender.

Whenever i see someone blessing something I just think of the poor dumb sons of bitches standing around nodding their heads and convincing themselves that something is actually happening. I am telling you, so much wasted time.

The Bishop bifficated gibberish at the trucks in order to protect them over the winter.... Why not just say a "protect every one all the time" prayer? Oh, I forgot, it is all superficial biffication.

"The RIGHT REVEREND DR." wow! Superior Bifficatious pomp!

I wonder what he has his doctorate in....

Sun, 21 Nov 2010 17:57:59 UTC | #551054

AlexP's Avatar Comment 23 by AlexP

Blessings! We all knew they worked, and now we have proof, no, make that further proof, that they even save lifes! Reduction in road deaths "perhaps not a coincidence". As far as proofs for the divine go, this one is pretty convincing.

God, all-knowing, all-powefull, and really, really lovable, occasionally lets people die in horrible car accidents. It's all part of his mysterious but - be sure of that - well thought plan. Sadly, that involves little Timmy run over by a cement mixer. Eggs, omelets, that kind of thing.

But, here is the really good news - apparently, sprinkling a few gritters with holy water makes god kill even less people for the good of us all, fancy that!

So, whatever reason the allmighty had for squashing Alice, mother of triplets, between two delivery trucks on Christmas eve, occasionally he can do with a little reminder that he might still achieve his grand design without such acts.

That's what blessings are for. They politely ask the all-kowing, all-powerful being up there to kindly mind those pesky little mortals when he does his divine thing.

Blessings - making an all-loving god love even you and a perfect world even perfecter.

Sun, 21 Nov 2010 18:15:21 UTC | #551062

johnb24's Avatar Comment 24 by johnb24

Well these blessings and what goes with them (i.e. the reminder that roads can be icy etc. in the winter) gets reported in the media: BBC, local commercial radio, local press and free newspapers .... and some people retain the message and take a bit more care on the roads bringing down the accident rate. So it's an ill wind that ....... .

Sun, 21 Nov 2010 18:21:54 UTC | #551068

Jos Gibbons's Avatar Comment 25 by Jos Gibbons

New rule for journalism: don't let people who use the post hoc fallacy occupy your reporting, especially if they would have gotten round the opposite happening with some "mysterious ways" BS.

Sun, 21 Nov 2010 18:24:05 UTC | #551071

Emmeline's Avatar Comment 26 by Emmeline

Comment 23 by AlexP :

So, whatever reason the allmighty had for squashing Alice, mother of triplets, between two delivery trucks on Christmas eve, occasionally he can do with a little reminder that he might still achieve his grand design without such acts.

Indeed he could do with those reminders, which is why we need barking mad old men in frocks to ask God to reduce the number of mothers, husbands, sisters and sons that he would otherwise have pulverised this winter in ice-related road traffic accidents had he not been persuaded otherwise. Praise the Lord for he isn't killing and maiming as many people as he did prior to 2003. What a God!

Sun, 21 Nov 2010 18:57:47 UTC | #551080

flying goose's Avatar Comment 27 by flying goose

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Sun, 21 Nov 2010 18:59:38 UTC | #551084

Emmeline's Avatar Comment 28 by Emmeline

Comment 27 by flying goose :

Um, if I know John Saxbee, I suspect his words were said with his tongue firmly in his cheek.

Really? Doesn't he believe that blessing the gritters has any effect then?

Sun, 21 Nov 2010 19:02:40 UTC | #551085

Marcus Small's Avatar Comment 29 by Marcus Small

Comment 27 by flying goose Um, if I know John Saxbee, I suspect his words were said with his tongue firmly in his cheek.

Sorry folks went in under an old account by mistake. I am Flying Goose. Must delete that, and account.

Jan, I could not say. What I can say is that Saxbee is no wingnut.

Also look at his words,

I hope and pray that driving carefully and arriving safely will continue to matter to all who use our road network in the years ahead.

Clearly shows what he hopes will achieve less accidents.

Sun, 21 Nov 2010 19:12:30 UTC | #551087

Philster61's Avatar Comment 30 by Philster61

Why doesn't the Bishop offer to actually help in laying the grit instead?

Sun, 21 Nov 2010 19:19:06 UTC | #551090