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bitbutter's Avatar Comment 1 by bitbutter

great initiative, pledged.

Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:14:00 UTC | #16919

mjleitch's Avatar Comment 2 by mjleitch

That would be a great plan in the United States also. One book for every federal senator and one for every house member.

Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:51:00 UTC | #16932

David Williams's Avatar Comment 3 by David Williams

An excellent idea, I will start off in Australia with a copy to our Federal Member, Premier of Western Austrlia, Alan Carpenter. I wonder indeed if each member (of any country) was to receive several copies of the God Delusion it would somehow compel them to read it - not a bullying system but rather the concept that if they were to receive the tenth book they would grudgingly pick it up to read, if only to see what the fuss was about! Nice one, J Christie.

Wed, 24 Jan 2007 00:44:00 UTC | #16940

DerrickB's Avatar Comment 4 by DerrickB

Wouldn't Sam Harris' Letter to a Christian Nation be more likely to be read - especially by United States politicians?

Wed, 24 Jan 2007 00:45:00 UTC | #16941

davorg's Avatar Comment 5 by davorg

Excellent pledge. I'm in.

Wed, 24 Jan 2007 01:03:00 UTC | #16943

DerrickB's Avatar Comment 6 by DerrickB

Should each copy have a personal letter attached encouraging our representative to read it - or would it be better to have some standard paragraphs prepared setting out a consistent viewpoint (with endorsement from some nationally known supporters)?

Wed, 24 Jan 2007 01:37:00 UTC | #16946

Max Mullen's Avatar Comment 7 by Max Mullen

A good idea, but some MPs will receive a several books and others none. Perhaps better to subscribe to a fund to ensure at least one book to each. Why stop at MPs? Should also include local political leaders, USA politicos and "divines".

Wed, 24 Jan 2007 03:33:00 UTC | #16955

ear1grey's Avatar Comment 8 by ear1grey

Why stop at USA politicos and "divines"? A copy in every hotel room would be a wonderful target.

Wed, 24 Jan 2007 03:54:00 UTC | #16956

davorg's Avatar Comment 9 by davorg

A copy in every hotel room would be a wonderful target.
That would be excellent. Right next to the Gideon Bible. How do we start? And how do we ensure that it's not removed by the cleaning staff?

Wed, 24 Jan 2007 03:59:00 UTC | #16957

DerrickB's Avatar Comment 10 by DerrickB

Every hotel room may be financially challenging - and yes the rate of loss through removal and defacing would be significant. Starting with 5 copies in each Secondary School might be more productive?

Wed, 24 Jan 2007 04:52:00 UTC | #16962

Quartania80's Avatar Comment 11 by Quartania80

Great idea - I'm keen to start in Western Australia.

No need to give one to our Premier Alan Carpenter however... this quote from the ABC website 27/1/06

"Every morning, we sang God Save the Queen and recited the Lord's prayer and now, you know, 49 years of age, I'm an avowed republican and I'm an atheist."

Could this be the first openly atheist Premier in Australia?

Wed, 24 Jan 2007 07:11:00 UTC | #16974

RascoHeldall's Avatar Comment 12 by RascoHeldall

I'd love to (especially as I have previously corresponded with my MP on the subject of religion in schools) but can't really afford to buy another copy.

Perhaps Prof. Dawkins has some spares kicking around? ;-)

Wed, 24 Jan 2007 08:25:00 UTC | #16989

Eamonn Shute's Avatar Comment 13 by Eamonn Shute

CJ: According to J Christie on the link "Should this pledge gain momentum, I additionally undertake to maintain a simple online list of MP's (and their addresses) for whom pledges have been received, to eliminate duplication of effort."

Wed, 24 Jan 2007 09:45:00 UTC | #16995

NoLongerHaveBelief's Avatar Comment 14 by NoLongerHaveBelief

Count me in too guys.

If everybody sends a copy - I'll purchase a 2nd copy too. That would cover Dudley South - my M.P is Mr Ian Pearson.

I think Roman Catholics have got a cheek, with their history of child abuse!

Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:00:00 UTC | #16997

anon's Avatar Comment 15 by anon

A very smart idea, count me in.

How is this going to work exactly? For the best impact they should all go out at the same time, but that'd be difficult to organize. How would the whole thing be co-ordinated?

Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:32:00 UTC | #17006

IainM's Avatar Comment 16 by IainM

Has anyone pledged to send one to the Pope, if not count me in.

Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:05:00 UTC | #17011

ear1grey's Avatar Comment 17 by ear1grey

Anon "How is this going to work exactly?"


Just visit http://www.pledgebank.com/church-and-state and make your pledge

Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:08:00 UTC | #17028

Friggertool's Avatar Comment 18 by Friggertool

another shoulder to wheel here

Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:48:00 UTC | #17066

John Phillips's Avatar Comment 19 by John Phillips

I wrote to my MP (Kerry MCCarthy) the other day about this issue and got a reply the same day that he was opposed to this move and was actively campaigning with others that this exemption wouldn't happen. However, it is possible because the bill has passed that this will be done administratively by the department responsible for it. It used to be Alan Johnson's department but because he opposed this the PM handed it over to Ruth Kelly's (a supporter of Opus Dei who is more loyal to them than the government and the country) department for administrating it and she may try to bring this in through the back door. So I ask all UK members of this site to contact their MP directly about this issue and get their support for if there is enough antipathy to this from the members of the commons she would not dare bring it in by the back door. The site given above by another poster will supply you with the contact details of your MP or go to www.theyworkforyou.com and you can find your MP from there on the very first page by entering your post code.

Thu, 25 Jan 2007 02:20:00 UTC | #17095

Homo economicus's Avatar Comment 20 by Homo economicus

Ok I am going against the grain here, but only in the how.

Writing to your MP about the importance of secularism is a wonderful thing - perhaps a standard letter requiring just our signature and postage to our MP would be wonderful. MPs respond to volume in their mail bags from constituents.

TGD being sent is fine but may cause people to think thats it. Do not think so. Everyone that cares about secularism and religions impact on public policy write to your representative.

One thing better than hotel rooms - how about putting scientific prose on railway station posters - get people thinking about science. In the UK loads of christian posters and scripture readings at stations.

Thu, 25 Jan 2007 03:56:00 UTC | #17105

Logicel's Avatar Comment 21 by Logicel

great suggestions, Homo economicus

Thu, 25 Jan 2007 04:09:00 UTC | #17107

Myryama's Avatar Comment 22 by Myryama

Sending one book to each MP, all arriving on the same day, would be very cool. If we deliberately allowed duplication, however, MPs could receive an almost constant stream of books and they'd be forced to hand them to relatives, give them to their secretaries and leave them on the tube for everyone else to read.

The cumulative effect of many small deliveries might be more dramatic than a single large delivery...

Thu, 25 Jan 2007 06:53:00 UTC | #17131

FaceLeg's Avatar Comment 23 by FaceLeg

An excellent movement!

If I were not so poor I would do the same in New Zealand.

I don't think the problem is so great here though, the Christian Party is a minority, holding nearly no power. Whats more, I recently heard that the (now ex) head of the party has been tried and convicted of child abuse - wouldn't expect that party to gain many votes now!

Would it be an idea (in the future) to set up an account to accept donations towards books? I cannot afford to partake myself, but would be able to make a small donation if it were possible to do so.

Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:57:00 UTC | #17230

Asteroid Miner's Avatar Comment 24 by Asteroid Miner

As TGD says: George W. Bush is schizophrenic. As that German philosopher found out, you can't cure mental illness by teaching logic in the assylum. A degree in science can cure the milder forms of religion and the book can cure the mildest religious affliction. The more severe cases based on schizophrenia or temporal lobe disease require medication. Good luck with the MPs.

Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:06:00 UTC | #17233

The Happy Robot's Avatar Comment 25 by The Happy Robot

I think this is a wonderful idea, even if only a statement. However I would feel much more comfortable sending the book to my MP with some sort of standardised covering letter, you know, just to let them know we are all together.

I looked around briefly on the site and couldn't find one. Any ideas anyone?

Fri, 26 Jan 2007 00:17:00 UTC | #17236

cnewell's Avatar Comment 26 by cnewell

I think school libraries would also be good recipients. On a recent visit I noticed that my local school library had no books on atheism or humanism - but plenty on different faiths.

It would be good to start a parallel pledge to secondary schools (there are only around 3360) pointing out that non-religious viewpoints are included in the guidelines on religious education issued by the Qualifications and Curriculum Authority (unlike Intelligent Design:-)

If there is enthusiasm for this I can set up a database of schools to allow people to nominate one online and avoid duplication.

Chris

Fri, 26 Jan 2007 02:21:00 UTC | #17252

John01's Avatar Comment 27 by John01

Fantastic idea. I must admit the recent arguments that discrimination is a religious right has had me particularly annoyed.

Fri, 26 Jan 2007 03:25:00 UTC | #17257

pHernando's Avatar Comment 28 by pHernando

Could you or somebody send one for me?
I am a Brazilian biologist and a great fan of Dr. Dawkins and his books. Unfortunately scientists in Brazil are not recognized as important professional and my resources are very limited to buy a copy right now. My e-mail is mappinguari@hotmail.com Sincerely, Fernando.

Fri, 26 Jan 2007 05:24:00 UTC | #17271

Baz Y's Avatar Comment 29 by Baz Y

Love all the 'Hit them with a book' ideas, but aren't we missing one important point? How do you get the SOB's to actually read the darn things, let alone benefit from them?
You can lead a horse to water ...

Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:47:00 UTC | #17380

elstuarto's Avatar Comment 30 by elstuarto

I think it's a good idea.

Unfortunately i live near Gainsborough and my MP is Edward Leigh. He's the chairman of the socially conservative "cornerstone" group of MP's, outspoken catholic and committed opponent of stem cell research, contraception, abortion and equality for gay's and cohabiting couples.

I don't think he'd read it.

Perhaps I could hit him over he head with a copy instead?

Sat, 27 Jan 2007 04:18:00 UTC | #17401