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Stevehill's Avatar Comment 1 by Stevehill

"Islamophobia has “passed the dinner-table test” and is seen by many as normal and uncontroversial, Baroness Warsi will say in a speech on Thursday."

Good. The penny has dropped.

We live in a free society, nobody's faith is immune from robust challenge.

A phobia is an irrational fear. I have a wholly rational fear about people who seem to want to kill me and run my country according to medieval theocratical laws.

Ergo, I am not Islamophobic. I am reasonable.

Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:19:46 UTC | #581299

sbooder's Avatar Comment 2 by sbooder

"Battle against Bigotry", try looking at the Islamic faith if you want to see bigotry!

Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:22:09 UTC | #581301

superbeanson's Avatar Comment 3 by superbeanson

Unbelievable isn't it- not a word about any of the entirely legitimate reasons we might have for distrusting a person of Islamic sensibilities.

Suicide Bombing, Sharia Law, Caliphate, Misogyny, Hounour Killing, Forced Marriage, Homophobia, Lack of desire to intergrate, FGM, etc....

not to mention a ridiculous, free from all reason 'faith'

We are all informed and not all media is 'misleading', since 9,11 the Islamic community have done precisely nothing to counteract our notions of Islam. This is the reason why the subject has deservedly 'passed the dinner-table' test

Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:26:30 UTC | #581303

Richard Dawkins's Avatar Comment 4 by Richard Dawkins

Dear Lady Warsi

Is it true that the Islamic penalty for apostasy is death? Please answer the question, yes or no. I have asked many leading Muslims, often in public, and have yet to receive a straight answer. The best answer I heard was from "Sir" Iqbal Sacranie, who said "Oh well, it is seldom enforced."

Will you please stand up in the House of Lords and publicly denounce the very idea that, however seldom enforced, a religion has the right to kill those who leave it? And will you stand up and agree that, since a phobia is an irrational fear, "Islamophobic" is not an appropriate description of anybody who objects to it. And will you stand up and issue a public apology, on behalf of your gentle, peaceful religion, to Salman Rushdie? And to Theo van Gogh? And to all the women and girls who have been genitally mutilated? And to . . . I'm sure you know the list better than I do.

Richard Dawkins

Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:26:46 UTC | #581304

ajs261's Avatar Comment 5 by ajs261

Has there ever been a "moderate" Muslim cleric who has ever come out and said that parts of the Koran are wrong and morally indefensible? If not, they should not be judged as moderate in the same way that moderate Christians are defined as moderate.

Or they'll say, "that's just the wrong interpretation of the Koran!" Reading some of the choice quotes, the Koran seems pretty unequivocal. And who has a monopoly on the correct interpretation? Given the horrible things laid out plainly in the Koran, is it any surprise that so many Muslims are so extreme?

I would like to see Baroness Warsi address those issues. It sounds like she's jumping on the "anyone who criticises Islam is Islamophobic" bandwagon.

Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:34:02 UTC | #581307

Richard Dawkins's Avatar Comment 6 by Richard Dawkins

And to all the women and girls who have been genitally mutilated?

Genitally mutilated IN BRITAIN, by the way, because the police are so terrified of being called "Islamophobic" that they turn a blind eye and don't prosecute.

Richard

Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:39:33 UTC | #581309

MarkOnTheRiver's Avatar Comment 7 by MarkOnTheRiver

In her speech, she is expected to say the description of Muslims as either moderate or extremist encourages false assumptions.

Easy for her to say from the ivory tower of parliament. Perhaps she should try putting herself in the position of people (muslim and non-muslim alike) in the real world. Those that sit on crowded underground trains, or use Scottish airports for example.

Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:40:59 UTC | #581310

Graham1's Avatar Comment 8 by Graham1

We are at war with Islam. Does this silly woman not understand that? Is is surprising to learn that from 1939 and onwards, there was deep Germanophobia in the UK? When I was growing up in the 50s in London, we dared not reveal to anybody that our mother was German. We told everyone she was Swiss so as to avoid verbal abuse!

Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:46:00 UTC | #581311

Vaal's Avatar Comment 9 by Vaal

Perhaps Baroness Warsi should look at the news and address the daily atrocities committed by her fellow co-religionists. The tens of thousands of British muslims walking through the streets of London calling for apostasy "not in my name", or the 30% of British muslims who believe the London bombings are justified, the huge marches saying "OK, they ARE just cartoons, lighten up", or the British muslims going to foreign countries to maim and kill our soldiers, and perhaps she might actually consider how reasonable the British people are in putting up with these provocations in the name of a poisonous sick ideology which despises everything the enlightenment holds dear.

Perhaps she should walk down Slough high street and listen to her fellow bigots calling me a kaffir, a pig or a dog, and preaching hatred and segregation. Perhaps even in so called moderate faith schools, a generation of youngsters are being bought up in this foul ideology where they are being taught to be religious bigots and taught untruths in the name of their unbending medieval religion.

Yes, I do get maddened by these women covered from head to toe because of everything it stands for. It cries that every man they meet is a sexual predator, not worthy of even looking them in the eye, it cries segregation in the name of their bigoted religion, and it cries I am a breeding cow and slave of Islam.

Perhaps is it is Islam that needs to get its house in order Baroness. It is hardly surprising that Muslims are regarding with suspicion, by their own actions. By your works you are judged. It is not everybody else’s fault, now grow a backbone and address the iniquities of Islam, rather than playing the victim card!

Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:54:00 UTC | #581314

jez999's Avatar Comment 10 by jez999

Comment 5 by ajs261 : I would like to see Baroness Warsi address those issues. It sounds like she's jumping on the "anyone who criticises Islam is Islamophobic" bandwagon.

Heck, she INVENTED that bandwagon.

Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:10:23 UTC | #581317

NickD's Avatar Comment 11 by NickD

Crikey, the Telegraph seems to have closed comments for the article. Can't think why. I saw some before they did so, and fortunately they were not exactly supportive of Baroness Warsi's position.

Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:12:35 UTC | #581318

-TheCodeCrack-'s Avatar Comment 12 by -TheCodeCrack-

I treat the Islamic religion with the same respect as the bubble-gum I scrape off the bottom of my shoe.

Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:15:20 UTC | #581319

Vorlund's Avatar Comment 13 by Vorlund

She is concerned about bigotry? her anecdotes are bigotry by definition. Her speech will do her more discredit than her opponenets.

Islamophobia is probably one of the most dishonest words in current english usage. Used frequently as a blatant, shallow, blunt instrument to silence critics of islam by it poorly educated followers and equally uneducated politically correct fifth column liberals.

Phobia is an irrational fear! There is nothing irrational about disliking a plagiarised 8th century ideology that is immutable to reason and particularly if you happen to be a jew, a woman, a homosexual, a dhimmi kuffr, or an apostate. If you happen to be all five in an islamic enclave then ..... you're fucked!

Warsi needs to get real, freedom to believe the unbelievable does not come with the privilege of persecuting others. If muslims come here and live in a western society they should leave their garbage behind. Many do and embrace modern western values and if they all did then there wouldn't be a debate.

If she wants to do something to improve the public conception of islam she should use her position to put a stop to female genital mutliation and sharia courts which are in violation of the human rights act. Abusing her position to silence criticism however is fairly typical of......some muslims. Oh shit there I go exposing my left flank!

This speech is yet another example of the village idiots insisting we organise the village for their benefit.

Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:21:42 UTC | #581322

Bisse's Avatar Comment 14 by Bisse

I would love to see Christopher Hitchens in debate with Lady Warsi!!

Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:30:03 UTC | #581323

jez999's Avatar Comment 15 by jez999

Comment 13 by Vorlund :

Phobia is an irrational fear! There is nothing irrational about disliking a plagiarised 8th century ideology that is immutable to reason and particularly if you happen to be a jew, a woman, a homosexual, a dhimmi kuffr, or an apostate. If you happen to be all five in an islamic enclave then ..... you're fucked!

Ah, but you're just not 'understanding' Islam correctly, if you have a negative opinion of it, you see.

Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:31:54 UTC | #581324

Bisse's Avatar Comment 16 by Bisse

Or Mr. Dawkins,,hehe!

Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:32:13 UTC | #581325

TheRationalizer's Avatar Comment 17 by TheRationalizer

Well you can't have it both ways. Either people can say that there are moderate and extremist Muslims OR you have to concede that the people who have committed terrible crimes in the name of Islam are simply "Muslims".

Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:37:31 UTC | #581326

Sample's Avatar Comment 18 by Sample

A sort of reverse bigotry is insidiously ennobled by the Baroness when she calls rational activists Islamophobic. That needs to be nipped in the bud.

Is not such a misunderstanding perhaps the fundamental source of divisive religious power on the planet?

Mike

Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:37:58 UTC | #581327

jel's Avatar Comment 19 by jel

Comment 1 by Steve Hill

A phobia is an irrational fear. I have a wholly rational fear about people who seem to want to kill me and run my country according to medieval theocratical laws. Ergo, I am not Islamophobic. I am reasonable.

Just one small change, I have a wholly rational DISLIKE of islam. Apart from that, I agree with the post.

Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:48:07 UTC | #581331

Ardiem's Avatar Comment 20 by Ardiem

Prejudice against Muslims has "passed the dinner-table test" and become socially acceptable in the UK, a senior Conservative is to say.

Naturally - it sets itself up to be ridiculed.

Baroness Warsi, co-chairman of the Tory Party, will warn against dividing Muslims into moderates and extremists.

Is there a difference? Moderates aren't 'true' muslims. If they were, they'd be extremist. Glad we got that cleared up.

The baroness, the first Muslim woman to serve in the cabinet, will say such labels fuel misunderstanding.

Yes, I agree here too. We need to make it more clear that this extremist religion has no place, not just in Britain, but anywhere. You can't sit back and accommodate terrorism in your own religions name and say 'but I'm moderate'.

She will use a speech at Leicester University to accuse the media of superficial discussion of Islam.

And again I agree. The media needs to wake up and take the Islamic threat more seriously and raise awareness of FGM etc. Wow! this woman is bang on with her observations.

Baroness Warsi will say anti-Muslim prejudice is now seen by many Britons as normal and uncontroversial, and she will use her position to fight an "ongoing battle against bigotry"

Absolutely. Islam is about as bigoted a religion as they come with it's insistence on homophobia, death for apostasy and a hundred other reasons.

And then I realised she meant the opposite in every case. What a myopic, self-deluding individual. The irony actually hurts.

Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:55:05 UTC | #581332

HughCaldwell's Avatar Comment 21 by HughCaldwell

A phobia is an irrational fear. I have a wholly rational fear about people who seem to want to kill me and run my country according to medieval theocratical laws. Ergo, I am not Islamophobic. I am reasonable. Comment 1 by Stevehill

Even if you are as reasonable as you claim, you can't claim that everybody is as reasonable as you. Yet, you give the impression that you think Baroness Warsi wants to kill you and, at the same time, make you live under unspecified medieval laws.

Thu, 20 Jan 2011 10:04:52 UTC | #581334

ScottB's Avatar Comment 22 by ScottB

Showed this (the BBC version) to my Thai Muslim student today. He is a nice, moderate Muslim. He is against the nasty Muslims in the southern parts of Thailand who are trying to set up their own Sharia-led state, and thinks 9/11 was a travesty. So the last thing I expected him to say was this:

She is not a real Muslim or she would be at home not trying to be a man! She should be stoned! Her husband should be killed too for letting her speak in public

(Not a verbatim quote as he is only a pre-intermediate English student.)

I cannot show bias in any direction but I really did want to faceplam and then possibly cry.

Thu, 20 Jan 2011 10:07:41 UTC | #581336

Steve Zara's Avatar Comment 23 by Steve Zara

Dear Lady Warsi,

You are an experienced politician. You know that people expect political parties to follow, at least to some extent, their manifestos. Indeed, broken manifesto promises are a main reason for disenchantment with a party.

You must also surely realise that faiths have their manifestos. These manifestos are their holy books and scriptures. We know that some faiths have a poor record of following these documents. Indeed, some Christians' view of the Bible can be rather like New Labour members singing 'The Red Flag' - they generally feel it's a good thing, but often forget the words. However, the Islamic view is that their manifesto promises must be kept. Some of those policies certainly aren't compatible with our society and its values. An example is the death penalty for apostasy.

Do you believe that a Tory who defects to Labour should be executed? Would you be happy for that policy to be in your party's manifesto even if you had no intention of implementing it? I assume you would say no to both questions. Then why do you expect people not to be biased against Islam? Why do you expect people not to be biased against you?

Regards

Steve Zara

Thu, 20 Jan 2011 10:09:41 UTC | #581337

gos's Avatar Comment 24 by gos

Dear Baroness Warsi,

You talk about

the patronising, superficial way faith is discussed in certain quarters, including the media

I understand your irritation. Pretty much everything, including religion/faith and atheism, science and technology, culture and politics, is discussed in patronising, superficial ways every day of the year in certain quarters. When this is directed against a subject you care about, it can sting.

Luckily, you are gifted with a prestigious public platform to combat this tendency, nay plague, at least with regard to faith. Even though I am not as deeply attached to faith as you are, I am certain your fine efforts will set an example to all others who engage in public discourse, and lead to a deeper and more sympathetic dialogue between the various individuals and factions that currently resort to straw-man attacks and mudslinging when engaging each other in public.

Islamophobia has “passed the dinner-table test” and is seen by many as normal and uncontroversial

Oh, sod off.

Thu, 20 Jan 2011 10:12:01 UTC | #581338

skeelo's Avatar Comment 25 by skeelo

I hadn't realised until this point that Warsi was a member of the cabinet. She's unelected, of course, having engineered massive swings away from the Conservatives on the occasions she actually stood for election. Realising she'd never be elected, the Tories, in a shameful bit of tokenism, made her a life peer.

As Peter Cook might have said, she has risen without a trace.

Having seen her speak inanely on television quite few times in the past, her latest load of drivel comes as little surprise. You might have thought that one of the few advantages of having the Conservatives in government would be less pandering to Islamic sensibilities but it seems like even in this regard they will disappoint.

Thu, 20 Jan 2011 10:16:12 UTC | #581339

Richard Dawkins's Avatar Comment 26 by Richard Dawkins

Earlier this morning, there were 1447 comments on the Telegraph website, in response to Baroness Warsi's article. Now, at 10 am, they have all disappeared. I still have the page open, displaying the first 25. I reproduce them here, not because I agree with all of them but because the Telegraph is apparently censoring them.

Richard

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hodge 48 seconds ago Sayeeda Warsi is fortunate to be living in a country where a) as a muslim woman she has a voice in public and b) nobody is either trying to force her into an arranged marriage (primitive) or punishing her for the sins of her male siblings (barbaric). the fact of the matter is that all terrorist acts committed on british soil, and in fact most developed nations, are committed by muslims, lets not dress it up by calling them islamists, who are neither grateful for the opportunity they have been given nor endeavour to blend in with the culture of the nation they have adopted. unlike any other religion, a muslim will say they are muslim first and british second. this does not happen with any form of christianity, nor buddhism, judaism or any other religion of which I can think. unfortunately muslims are their own worst enemy, they do not control their communities, they are slow to condemn atrocities, they treat women like second class citizens, and they treat animals in an appalling manner - who on earth as a right minded englishman agrees with any animal being killed to satisfy halal needs? as a 14 year old a friend of mine lost his father in lockerbie, some years later I lost a friend in 911, and a few years after that a friend of mine lost a female friend in 7/7, please do tell me what on earth good I could possibly being derived from the muslim population of the UK? and before you think I am a little englander, I am half lebanese. Report Recommend

grahams 1 minute ago Recommended by 1 person Strange that the UK allows all these muslim terrorists, rapists and other murderers into the country, but refuses to allow an American pastor - on grounds of extremism. Does that mean that ALL muslim extremists will now be deported from the UK? Bet not. Report Recommend

Bill 1 minute ago Warsi is simply whining. There is nothing improper about judging ideologies.

Warsi also bleats about a scenario where having just hired a Muslim worker, the boss says to his employees: 'Not to worry, he’s only fairly Muslim’. Hardly surprising: people want reassurance that they don't have to censor themselves, worry about changing their own diet to avoid "offending" a censorious muslim.

Dislike of islam is a consequence of muslim behaviour - just as it is with the dislike of Nazism. Report Recommend

squeezedmiddle 1 minute ago Recommended by 1 person Islam has NO tolerance for other faiths, muslims are racist, sexist and have no respect for british law culture or christianity. They won't rest until we adopt Sharia law. This Baroness should resign Report Recommend

bedwin 2 minutes ago MUSLIM DO TERROR BY BOMBS AND THE WEST BY- DRONE F16- F18- B52 - CRUISE MISSILES AND THE LIKE Report Recommend

squeezedmiddle 2 minutes ago Islam has tolerance for other faiths, muslims are racist, sexist and have no respect for british law culture or christianity. They won't rest until we adopt Sharia law. This Baroness should resign Report Recommend

stewartinoz 2 minutes ago Remember when the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem collaberated with the NAZIS again the Jewish population and there was a purge. Wake up and smell the roses. Report Recommend

Jack Cope 1 minute ago And millions of Muslims fought against the Nazis, far more than this 'mufti' and his rag-tag gang. Unless you want to dispute that... Report Recommend

kergoff 4 minutes ago Recommended by 3 people Baroness Warsi can talk as much as she wants. There is no place in Britain for the muslim faith. As soon as they show normal behaviour and not the int0lerant bigotry they spout in the muslim countries she can come back. In the meantime she is better served by keeping quiet. If that does not suit she also sorts of options most of which she would reject Report Recommend

jeanyves 5 minutes ago Recommended by 1 person Anybody who had any doubt as to the validity of her claims has to only to read the comments here to realise that if anything she has understated the situation !! I would ask again why is that topics loaded with opportunity for anti muslim semtiment are allowed comment whereas topics about the persecution of muslims by the fascist thugs currently in charge of Israel are denied. Report Recommend

Bob Landy 1 minute ago Recommended by 1 person If you don't know the difference between a country defending itself and a religion at war with the world and itself then I can't help you. Report Recommend

pfbulmer 6 minutes ago Recommended by 1 person The Baronesse is also has some strange concern about people being divided into Muslims in to two types moderate and extremists , which is quite natural .

It is difficult to understand her point of view .

This does of course make great sense to make this division because it shows there is an attempt to not to tar every one with same brush and make the distinction between moderate and extremists and judge people as individuals . and on their merits .

This is clearly healthy , it is not ideal but it is the situation that non muslims find themselves in because no one is dealing with the real issues .

It is better than saying all Islamic people are extremists which clearly they are not and it better than saying all Islamic people are moderate as clearly there is some evidence and disagreement on this .

British people generally give people a fair chance and if some one is a good bloke it does not matter where they come from.

This is not prejudice but basic common sense something that seems to be lacking in the handling of this problem !

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sirmichael 7 minutes ago Recommended by 7 people She should ask herself why Islamaphobia exists in the first place. In my book only until the Muslim population starts to make more of an effort to integrate and drop some ideas from the Middle Ages will Islamaphobia stop. They should stop arranged marriages,wanting Sharia law,and wear western clothing to start with.Then stop wanting to build mosques all over the place,and crying "racism" evertime they don't get their way,usually about planning permission. Report Recommend

freerider 7 minutes ago Recommended by 5 people While Muslims remain insular and consider themselves higher beings than Christians or non-believers they will never integrate and will continue to be considered outsiders. Report Recommend

bedwin 8 minutes ago THROUGH HISTORY CHRISTIAN KILLED MORE THAN 500 MILLION PEOPLE -JUST THINK OF WHAT THEY DID THE ABORIGINALS IN AUSTRALIA AND RED INDIAN IN THE US AND AFRICAN AND THE CRUSADERS AND WW1 WW2 IRAQ 1 IRAQ2 VIETNAM KOREA JAPAN ETC ETC Report Recommend

drstar 1 minute ago You can't fairly argue that there was ever any policy of extermination in the New World. The aborigines in Australia and America were low-tech societies that could only support very low population densities. As hunter-gatherers, they nutrition was poorer than for people with farming and metal-working technology. They lacked immunity to diseases from Europe, which often propagated far ahead of the front of settlement, so that many areas were unhinhabited by the time white colonists arrived. Report Recommend

epicadventure 7 minutes ago Recommended by 4 people Ehh? (Edited by author 7 minutes ago) Report Recommend

peter taylor 2 minutes ago Recommended by 1 person Can someone tell bedwin, he/she has their caps lock key stuck Report Recommend

georgej 9 minutes ago Recommended by 12 people Warsi:

Merited and justified censure of a repugnant ideology is not bigotry. And the phenomenon is not confined to the UK, it's growing in the entire Western world. It's roots are not not ethnic, either. Non-muslim immigrants are generally welcomed because they arrive with a willingness to adopt our values and adapt to our culture and way of life. It's not so much a culture clash with muslims as a collision of diametrically opposed civilisations. Islam doesn't belong here. The totalitarian, supremacist, intolerant and bigoted dogma expressed in the Koran is utterly incompatible with secular Western liberal democratic values.

Geert Wilders is absolutely correct when he compares the Koran to Mein Kampf, and he's not the first to have made the comparison. Some quotes:

Heinrich Himmler said to Josef Goebbels that Islam is “a very practical and attractive religion for soldiers.”

Karl Jung, in The Symbolic Life published in 1939, said, “We do not know whether Hitler is going to found a new Islam. (He is already on the way; he is like Mohammad. The emotion in Germany is Islamic; warlike and Islamic. They are all drunk with wild god). That can be the historic future.”

In The Second World War, Vol. I (The Gathering Storm), Winston Churchill wrote about Adolf Hitler’s autobiography Mein Kampf: “Here was the new Koran of faith and war: turgid, verbose, shapeless, but pregnant with its message.” Report Recommend

epicadventure 1 minute ago Chuchill good, Hitler bad, Muslims bad. Your a nutter! Report Recommend

snowbaby 10 minutes ago Recommended by 8 people So what if the Muslims are talked about over the dinner table, so are red heads, Scots, Irish and Welsh,t he French the Germans etc etc. If she wants to wage a battle against bigotry the way to do so is to get the Muslims to integrate in British culture and be more tolerant of the British way of life, not make Britain more tolerant of Islam. We accept Islam, we live with it every day if the Muslims accept Christianity and Atheists and Gays and Jews and any other lifestyle then the world would be a better place. What we do not tolerate is Islam's inability to accept and tolerate others, to allow non believers the right to live in peace. We do not like the way Muslims treat it's own people, women and those who wish to leave it's fold in particular.

I do admit that when I see a Muslim woman all covered up out in the street, I shake my head and I feel sorry for her. No woman in their right mind would voluntarily dress up in such an outfit. (though I have to say some of the outfits the natives wear are pretty dodgy looking too, but at least they have the choice of what to wear). Report Recommend

jackcade 10 minutes ago Recommended by 6 people Our bigotry against Islam? That's a bit rich. What about the fact that the 7/7 bombers were all Muslims and that there is anti-western bigotry preached in mosques up and down the country on a daily basis? What about Muslim girls forced to wear ridiculous clothing with threats of violence if they don't? What about 'honour killings'?

I think Baroness Warsi ought to read the New Testament. If she did she would come across the words of Jesus: remove the beam from your own eye before tackling the mote in another's. Report Recommend

Manxman3 10 minutes ago Recommended by 5 people QUESTION: .............What is a racist, fascist, nazi biggot?

ANSWER:..........Anyone who is winning an argument with a liberal leftie. Report Recommend

georgesilver 10 minutes ago Recommended by 6 people I think we should be "suspicious" of anyone that follows and lives by ANY religion especially if they are a politician.

Anyone that lives their life based on irrational thought and constantly talks to an imaginary person "in-the-sky" should be given as wider berth as possible. Report Recommend

gsksay 11 minutes ago Recommended by 11 people The political undermining begin, there are islamaphobes because there are islamists. The war Islam has with the unbelievers started over 1400 years ago, it is now slightly more sophisticated, however the end result is islamisation, and the dominance of Islam over all other religions...

We believe we are fighting islamic terrorism, they believe they are re-creating the caliphate, we have time constraints they have forever....

Baroness Warsi, talks moderately, and looks the part, however in Islam this is allowed, deception of the enemy is totally acceptable, as long as the end game is achieved, Baroness Warsi to put it bluntly is the wolf in sheep's clothing and a 5th columnist against our society.

We do need to talk openly, we do need to call a muslim terrorist just that a muslim, just as we call the IRA a Irish terrorist....we need to stop being scared of calling a spade a spade..... and stop multiculturalism and start integration in our society.

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JonGaunt 30 minutes ago From twitter via BackType Pass me the horse hair shirt and whip! Warsi says we are all bigots and Muslims are victims again! Absolute Tosh! http://bit.ly/hkVXY8

rodney747 36 minutes ago From twitter via BackType I hate Muslims, basically for what they do and believe. It's nothing personal. http://t.co/bqcOXnb via @Telegraph

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SelbyPost 59 minutes ago From twitter via BackType http://t.co/IVvI3LH via @Telegraph Of course. Islam is a huge poitical, cultural and social threat to the UK. Warsi is misguided at best

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Thu, 20 Jan 2011 10:19:52 UTC | #581340

MarkOnTheRiver's Avatar Comment 27 by MarkOnTheRiver

Comment 21 by HughCaldwell

A phobia is an irrational fear. I have a wholly rational fear about people who seem to want to kill me and run my country according to medieval theocratical laws. Ergo, I am not Islamophobic. I am reasonable. Comment 1 by Stevehill

Even if you are as reasonable as you claim, you can't claim that everybody is as reasonable as you. Yet, you give the impression that you think Baroness Warsi wants to kill you and, at the same time, make you live under unspecified medieval laws.

That's funny, because it seemed quite clear to me that Steve was not talking about Baroness Warsi, but the followers of islam who regularly demand "sharia now" and the beheading of those who insult islam. A fear of whom, I would judge to be the epitome of reason.

Then I realised it was you Hugh. . .

Thu, 20 Jan 2011 10:21:36 UTC | #581342

hungarianelephant's Avatar Comment 28 by hungarianelephant

So many questions.

Where is Sayeeda Warsi having dinner? Doesn't she think she needs to get some new friends?

When did she become a "Tory chief"?

If a burqa is neither the garment of an oppressed woman nor a political statement, what exactly is it?

How does describing someone as "moderate" foster bigotry?

What is the likelihood of this woman ever standing for election?

Which accent will she make this speech in?

Thu, 20 Jan 2011 10:23:21 UTC | #581343

sbooder's Avatar Comment 29 by sbooder

One only has to look at Pakistan to wonder if Baroness Warsi is living in the real world, or is politically blinkered by her residence in the UK and her faith.

Warsi will be giving an address to the University of Leicester on Thursday, and is thought to be including comments, on what she sees as British Islamophobia. The Baroness has told journalists that “Islamophobia has passed the dinner-table test” and is seen by many as normal and uncontroversial” and that “The notion that all followers of Islam can be described either as moderate or extremist can fuel misunderstanding and intolerance”.

I cannot help but wonder if the Baroness has even read the Quran (Koran) or practiced Islam in a form that is faithful to that book. She has also stated that “Terrorist offences committed by a small number of Muslims must not be used to condemn all who follow the faith”, Is she really suggesting that the offences committed by Muslims on the wider world are the minority, be them acts of terrorism or genital mutilation, or the stoning of women and the fatwa’s on the heads of many eminent commentators and authors. Purely Islamic countries that enforce these edicts are the majority, and it is from this majority many of us base our intolerance of Islam.

I like many others would like to hear Baroness Warsi include apologies to those still living in fear and isolation with Fatwa’s on their heads, the like of Salman Rushdie and Theo van Gogh? It would also be reassuring to hear if she will be willing to denounce the killing of Islamic apostates for leaving Islam?

But we will probably not hear these caveats in her speech, which at least will keep her from suffering the same fate as Salmaan Taseer at the hands of the “minority”.

Maybe the Baroness can take strength from the Murdered Pakistan Minister’s daughter Shehrbano Taseer, and make it clear that Islam is a threat to religious and secular freedom?

We live in hope!

Thu, 20 Jan 2011 10:24:15 UTC | #581344

hungarianelephant's Avatar Comment 30 by hungarianelephant

Comment 23 by Steve Zara :

Do you believe that a Tory who defects to Labour should be executed?

Two words. Shaun Woodward.

Comment 25 by skeelo :

unelected ... shameful bit of tokenism ... risen without a trace ... speak inanely ... load of drivel ...

Yup - that about nails it.

Thu, 20 Jan 2011 10:27:00 UTC | #581345