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Richard Dawkins's Avatar Comment 1 by Richard Dawkins

"What sort of justice is this? My daughter has been beaten to death in the name of justice," Mosammet's father, Dorbesh Khan, 60, told the BBC.

What sort of justice? Islamic justice of course.

Richard

Fri, 04 Feb 2011 08:44:01 UTC | #587722

Absinthius's Avatar Comment 2 by Absinthius

Truly appalling. I just can't understand how anyone could bring themselves to do such a thing. I can't even begin to imagine how such a brain would work.

Fri, 04 Feb 2011 08:53:34 UTC | #587724

WoollyMittens's Avatar Comment 3 by WoollyMittens

I cannot even imagine a state of mind where you would happily beat a child to death. Religious indoctrination makes such thoughts possible?

Fri, 04 Feb 2011 09:06:19 UTC | #587727

lackofgravitas's Avatar Comment 4 by lackofgravitas

Way to go 'religion of peace'. Showing the rest of the world how it's done, one innocent child at a time.

Ripley's Response is called for here.

LoG

Fri, 04 Feb 2011 09:15:19 UTC | #587728

sunbeamforjeebus's Avatar Comment 5 by sunbeamforjeebus

I await Baroness Warsi's comments with great interest!

Fri, 04 Feb 2011 09:20:07 UTC | #587731

Southpaw's Avatar Comment 6 by Southpaw

Hmmm. Disgruntled female accuses another female of wrongdoing, for which the latter, after a ridiculous trial in a kangaroo court, is murdered.

At least we've moved on from drowning the victims in ponds to the much more civilised hundred lashes. Totally, utterly, disgustingly ridiculous. Twenty-first century? Ha!

Fri, 04 Feb 2011 09:21:46 UTC | #587732

paulobg's Avatar Comment 7 by paulobg

14 years old... I hate to hate, but this people bring the worst feelings in me.

Fri, 04 Feb 2011 09:22:34 UTC | #587733

mmurray's Avatar Comment 8 by mmurray

The link is broken it should go to

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/03/bangladeshi-girl-100-lashes

The rest is

Mosammet was buried yesterday in her family graveyard in Naria, Shariatpur, about 40 miles south of the capital, Dhaka.

Police said Begum told the shalish she had seen Mosammet speaking to her husband, Mahbub, 40, near their home. The shalish ruled that Mosammet and Mahbub should each be flogged 100 times, according to Assistant Superintendent Talebur Rahman. Mosammet was dragged inside a house by about 20 to 25 people, including four women. She collapsed unconscious halfway through and was taken to hospital, where she died a week later. Mahbub, who was beaten by his father, is said by police to be on the run.

The case has sent shockwaves around Bangladesh, where punishments in the name of fatwa – a religious edict – have been outlawed since last year. Authorities were ordered by the high court to act to stop punishments, and told that a failure to do so breached their constitutional duties.

Since Mosammet's death lawyers have filed a case against the government at the court, and a team of investigators from a human rights organisation has travelled to the village. Its director of investigations, Nur Khan Liton, said: "This is an absolutely horrific crime. It shows that despite court judgments banning punishments in the name of fatwa, an aggressively religious group who are capable of committing such barbaric crimes of torture against women are still present in our society."

Local media have reported that Mosammet was raped by Mahbub and Begum heard her cries, then came out and began beating her. Police do not accept this.

Michael

Fri, 04 Feb 2011 09:27:35 UTC | #587735

sunbeamforjeebus's Avatar Comment 9 by sunbeamforjeebus

Could this be another case of the press deliberately reporting on topics which cast a poor light upon islam? No doubt many muslims will think so.Now we need to counterbalance this by reporting some of the good things islam does:for instance-er,er,let me think,hang on a sec...........

Fri, 04 Feb 2011 09:41:08 UTC | #587740

Sample's Avatar Comment 10 by Sample

Renewable resources. I've got one: the "tonic" believers binge on during every religious service. Is it not their remedy for the lactic acid buildup that surely results from strenous mental gymnastics?

I'm sure the father and the family of this victim will once again be drinking heavily at the bottle of religion to feel normal in an environment that is anything but.

Mike

Fri, 04 Feb 2011 09:41:15 UTC | #587741

josephor's Avatar Comment 11 by josephor

These people are evil barbaric savages, there is nothing that could excuse this sort of barbaric treatment of human beings. Oh dear am I being islamaphobic.I'd love to hear Baroness Warsi's take on this one.

Fri, 04 Feb 2011 09:56:15 UTC | #587745

jel's Avatar Comment 12 by jel

Comment 9 by sunbeamforjeebus Could this be another case of the press deliberately reporting on topics which cast a poor light upon islam? No doubt many muslims will think so.Now we need to counterbalance this by reporting some of the good things islam does:for instance-er,er,let me think,hang on a sec...........

Hope you don't mind but I've decided against holding my breath.

Fri, 04 Feb 2011 09:56:35 UTC | #587746

Anna Lane's Avatar Comment 13 by Anna Lane

I've just read about this in The Guardian. Amongst the comments posted on the site is this little gem from 'socialistMike'

Why have comments been opened up? So that people can pour intolerant invective against the religious, paritcularly Muslim people?

I can't see that there is much to discuss about this. I can't see what people can helpfully say about it, but I can see that a lot of people will be desperate to blame Muslims and religious people for this poor child's killing.

This comment has to date got 1193 recommendations! Really really worrying that 1193 people agree that there is "not much to discuss about this" and that there will be people "desperate to blame Muslims and religious people for this poor child's death".

WTF? 1193!

Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:20:43 UTC | #587754

Stevehill's Avatar Comment 14 by Stevehill

In fairness to Bangladesh, what happened is a crime, and people have been arrested for murder, and others are on the run.

In nearby Pakistan they'd be showering the murderers with rose petals.

Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:33:26 UTC | #587762

Carl Sai Baba's Avatar Comment 15 by Carl Sai Baba

Comment 13 by Annamation :

I've just read about this in The Guardian. Amongst the comments posted on the site is this little gem from 'socialistMike'

Why have comments been opened up? So that people can pour intolerant invective against the religious, paritcularly Muslim people?

I can't see that there is much to discuss about this. I can't see what people can helpfully say about it, but I can see that a lot of people will be desperate to blame Muslims and religious people for this poor child's killing.

This comment has to date got 1193 recommendations! Really really worrying that 1193 people agree that there is "not much to discuss about this" and that there will be people "desperate to blame Muslims and religious people for this poor child's death".

WTF? 1193!

1193 people have opened their eyes to see the Truth: this was actually an operation secretly conducted by imperialist Unitarians wishing to cast a negative image upon Allah's religion of peace. The Media-Industrial Complex probably paid them to do it.

Fri, 04 Feb 2011 11:01:15 UTC | #587769

danconquer's Avatar Comment 16 by danconquer

As SteveHill says, we can take a small measure of comfort from the fact this behaviour has been declared unlawful and the villagers actions therefore amount to vigilantism. Forget Pakistan, there are countries where this punishment would not need to be carried out by village idiots, but would instead be officially sanctioned by the state, i.e Saudi Arabia. To my mind, every woman currently living in Saudi Arabia meets the requirement for claiming asylum in the EU.

Regarding The Guardian comment: the second line attempting to absolve Islam is stupid: you tend not to find equally poor and uneducated Buddhist villagers behaving quite like this. (...whipping lusty teenagers to death, I mean, not writing letters and comments to The Guardian).

However, the first line is fair comment. The Guardian only open a small selection of their news stories up for discussion. So, when they do so, people are fully entitled - indeed it's always healthy - to ask why has this particular story been opened up for user comments.

Fri, 04 Feb 2011 11:22:20 UTC | #587778

brainsys's Avatar Comment 17 by brainsys

Comment 14 by Stevehill In fairness to Bangladesh, what happened is a crime, and people have been arrested for murder, and others are on the run.

In nearby Pakistan they'd be showering the murderers with rose petals.

+1

There is a huge difference between Bangladesh & Pakistan which is why they went to war to win their independence. Bangladesh has its problems but should we not see that this is a country that is resistant and seeks to control mad people and their mad priests. Not all Muslims, and Muslim dominated countries are the same. Yet again we have all these knee-jerk Islamophobic comments that fail to distinguish.

And mad christian priests also kill children. We had a particular problem in this part of London where they were treated as being possessed by the devil. Difficult to prosecute because of the loyalty of the victims.

Religion may be evil, or it may be a cover for other evilness. But religionists are not necessarily evil and anybody treating them as such should IMHO be treated in the same way we discriminate on the basis of ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation ...

Fri, 04 Feb 2011 11:29:02 UTC | #587782

Vorlund's Avatar Comment 18 by Vorlund

The people who shout islamophobe! should step forward and explain why they think any criticism of this barbarity is bigotry or prejudice. They should come forward and explain why it would be uneducated, xenophobic or irrationally fearful of islam to point out that the people responsible were suffering from a deranged world view based on islam! They should step forward and attempt to deflect any criticism of islam in this affair by proving that this kind of thing is not consequential of islamic belief or law. They can do this by showing (supported by extra Koranic evidence) that flogging a child to death is in the mind of any reasonable individual, humane and correct or required by any other system of law for the offence of having a relationship.

Otherwise they should fuck off and conduct themselves in the same way as other lobotomised zombies. In particular they should not bother to make grand representations in the media about how misunderstood islam is in a civilised society.

Fri, 04 Feb 2011 11:44:23 UTC | #587786

Vorlund's Avatar Comment 19 by Vorlund

The people who shout islamophobe! should step forward and explain why they think any criticism of this barbarity is bigotry or prejudice. They should come forward and explain why it would be uneducated, xenophobic or irrationally fearful of islam to point out that the people responsible were suffering from a deranged world view based on islam! They should step forward and attempt to deflect any criticism of islam in this affair by proving that this kind of thing is not consequential of islamic belief or law. They can do this by showing (supported by extra Koranic evidence) that flogging a child to death is in the mind of any reasonable individual, humane and correct or required by any other system of law for the offence of having a relationship.

Otherwise they should fuck off and conduct themselves in the same way as other lobotomised zombies. In particular they should not bother to make grand representations in the media about how misunderstood islam is in a civilised society.

Fri, 04 Feb 2011 11:46:14 UTC | #587787

The Berzerker's Avatar Comment 20 by The Berzerker

"This is an absolutely horrific crime. It shows that despite court judgments banning punishments in the name of fatwa, an aggressively religious group who are capable of committing such barbaric crimes of torture against women are still present in our society."

He should have said MEN and women, remember men get the same number of lashes, but no one seems to notice.

Fri, 04 Feb 2011 12:11:04 UTC | #587795

Ygern's Avatar Comment 21 by Ygern

Comment 20 by The Berzerker :

He should have said MEN and women, remember men get the same number of lashes, but no one seems to notice.

There was no man lashed to death in this case. Nothing happened to the husband involved in this so-called illicit relationship. Did you notice that?

Fri, 04 Feb 2011 12:38:37 UTC | #587800

Odalrich's Avatar Comment 22 by Odalrich

Will Baroness Warsi say something about this terrible and cruel act of barbarism? I look forward to reading her opinion.

Fri, 04 Feb 2011 12:38:45 UTC | #587801

SaganTheCat's Avatar Comment 23 by SaganTheCat

Comment 22 by Odalrich :

Will Baroness Warsi say something about this terrible and cruel act of barbarism? I look forward to reading her opinion.

something about islamophobia* I expect

*the act of reporting on islamic practices

Fri, 04 Feb 2011 12:50:44 UTC | #587805

Reckless Monkey's Avatar Comment 24 by Reckless Monkey

Check out the comments below the article. An amazing amount of moral relativists in there. Here's a sample

One should try to attempt to look at the whole issue surrounding the demise of this unfortunate person and not just select those bits perceived to bolster up ones own belief system or prejudices. Living on a very small island it is an unfortunate condition which finds us possessing a mentality to match. The remainder of the world is a very large place. Other nations cultures and practices may well not be completely to our line of thinking but at least that should not prohibit them from conducting their time honoured customs and beliefs as their history and culture has deemed it upon them.

You've got to wonder in amazement at this sort of thing. If you were there, and could help the child would you not? Or would you just shake your head and make a comment about how unusual some cultural practices are? I'm politically left by inclination but I'm really worried that idiots like this (on the left) will drive me to the right. Fortunately the Sarah Palin's of the world off-set these idiots somewhat but only just.

Fri, 04 Feb 2011 12:56:27 UTC | #587807

ReasonableRichard's Avatar Comment 25 by ReasonableRichard

I read the article, then did a double-take and read it again because I was sure I missed the part where they explained how one cousin talking to another means that they're doing the dirty?

What could possibly go through the minds of these people when they do things like this?

Fri, 04 Feb 2011 13:01:09 UTC | #587809

The Berzerker's Avatar Comment 26 by The Berzerker

"There was no man lashed to death in this case. Nothing happened to the husband involved in this so-called illicit relationship. Did you notice that?"

"Mahbub, who was beaten by his father, is said by police to be on the run."

Maybe he was maybe he wasnt, but the Islamic law is pretty clear I think, both are to be lashed. And I think the stoning is the same, both are to be buried in sand and stoned to death.

So he should have said people, or men and women.

Of course on many other issues Islam leaves men better off than women, but I dont think it does on adultery.

Fri, 04 Feb 2011 13:04:41 UTC | #587814

Stevehill's Avatar Comment 27 by Stevehill

@Ygern

The husband, Mahmud, got the same sentence - 100 lashes. After apparently being beaten by his father, he ran off and is still at large.

I'm slightly hesitant to use this crime as yet another example of "all that is wrong with Islam", even if it was partially religiously motivated. It's not as if we're short of other good examples!

I'm sure the Bangladeshi media could, if they wished, report many Western crimes as prime examples of everything that is wrong with liberal decadence - and that would not prove much either.

Fri, 04 Feb 2011 13:54:55 UTC | #587843

SomersetJohn's Avatar Comment 28 by SomersetJohn

It would be so easy to vilify islam over this obsenity.

Instead, I want to focus on the fact that the law in Bangladesh has outlawed this behaviour and is pursuing the wrongdoers. It would seem that, in some parts of the world at least, some people are trying to drag this primitive tribal superstition out of the seventh century. They should be congratulated

Fri, 04 Feb 2011 14:25:38 UTC | #587858

jpgj's Avatar Comment 29 by jpgj

Excuse me but what exactly was the crime here?

Police said Begum told the shalish she had seen Mosammet speaking to her husband, Mahbub, 40, near their home.

As in : "Sorry Sir, to get to hamlet X do I turn right or left?" " You should turn left young lady."?

Is speaking to someone not your spouse per se adultery? If so they should have been stoned since Mr. Mahmub was married...

Or perhaps she was raped by Mr.Mahub as later alleged by Mrs begum his wife. Why punish the girl?

Most likely nothing untoward happened at all but the mob felt it fun to lash certain people.

Fri, 04 Feb 2011 14:33:22 UTC | #587863

Jumped Up Chimpanzee's Avatar Comment 30 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee

I wonder if Warsi and her ilk will have the moral courage to make any comment at all about this disgusting incident.

It's much more likely they'll keep their backs turned to the behaviour of their fellow Muslims, while telling us that we don't understand Islam.

What's astonishing is that they think educated, free-thinkers, with access to a free press, will just believe anything they say.

Fri, 04 Feb 2011 14:53:26 UTC | #587871