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i_am_user's Avatar Comment 1 by i_am_user

The misogyny and hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me.

Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:05:03 UTC | #595882

Mukil's Avatar Comment 2 by Mukil

I am certain the explanation would center around "priests are only men, they make mistakes". Vatican is an organization that protects child abusers and rapists. It has done so before and it will continue to do it in the future.

Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:07:23 UTC | #595884

superbeanson's Avatar Comment 3 by superbeanson

Hey it's ok, just a little anonymous confession and they can still go to heaven while Einstein and Gandhi burn in Hell

Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:26:27 UTC | #595889

jcob82's Avatar Comment 4 by jcob82

They prey on women conditioned to be subservient according to the article. If I remember my bible classes correctly the bible teaches and urges women to be subservient...wow the guys who wrote the bible are diabolical. I expect the Catholic church to apologize in the upcoming centuries. That seems to be the time line for apologies of the awful place.

Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:33:43 UTC | #595892

Sensitive Outsider's Avatar Comment 5 by Sensitive Outsider

In fairness to the catholic church( a sentence i NEVER thought i would write)check out the date at the top of the article,it is 10 years old.

Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:35:13 UTC | #595893

Stafford Gordon's Avatar Comment 6 by Stafford Gordon

"Nature cannot be fooled."

Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:37:30 UTC | #595894

foundationist's Avatar Comment 7 by foundationist

Now, the one thing we must all keep steadily in mind is that we mustn't instumentalize this isolated cases in only 23 countries, done by a few regrettable sinners and fallible men to question the great wisdom and thoughtfulness of the catholic understanding of sexuality and sexual morals.

Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:38:55 UTC | #595895

Hammert1me's Avatar Comment 8 by Hammert1me

Charming.

Though atleast the vatican is finally getting it.

Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:44:31 UTC | #595900

Stevehill's Avatar Comment 9 by Stevehill

Most of the abuse has occurred in Africa, where priests vowed to celibacy, who previously sought out prostitutes, have preyed on nuns to avoid contracting the Aids virus.

In extreme instances, the priests had made nuns pregnant and then encouraged them to have abortions.

Because, obviously, they couldn't risk their immortal souls by using a condom could they?

Who said satire was dead?

Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:49:04 UTC | #595905

Stevehill's Avatar Comment 10 by Stevehill

@Hammert1me

Though atleast the vatican is finally getting it.

I think it's the priests who are getting it, by the looks of things.

Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:50:26 UTC | #595908

michaelfaulkner101's Avatar Comment 11 by michaelfaulkner101

truly awful.

Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:53:10 UTC | #595914

aball's Avatar Comment 12 by aball

There will of course be no criminal investigations, no police raids of church premises to find incriminating evidence. We'll never see these priests on trial, sent to prison and forced to sign the sex offenders list.

It must be great to be a catholic priest. You can play god and get away with everything!

Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:08:51 UTC | #595918

josephor's Avatar Comment 13 by josephor

Power corrupts and total power totally corrupts.......it is easy to see what kind of people are attracted to the priesthood!

Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:09:00 UTC | #595920

DefenderOfReason!'s Avatar Comment 14 by DefenderOfReason!

If one were so inclined to be a rapist, of any sorts, be it women and/or children. The best thing to do would be to become a priest.
What other rapist in all of human history has been so prolific as some of these priests? They do the most hideous things to people. Innocent people. And most completely get away with it. Some even get away with it for decades!!

Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:09:24 UTC | #595921

irate_atheist's Avatar Comment 15 by irate_atheist

This must be the fault of aggressive secularists.

Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:33:49 UTC | #595931

Nick Healey's Avatar Comment 16 by Nick Healey

Comment 5 by Sensitive Outsider

In fairness to the catholic church( a sentence i NEVER thought i would write)check out the date at the top of the article,it is 10 years old.

So what? Does that make it any less despicable? Do you really think the Vatican has cleaned up its act in the last decade after two millenia of abusing its position, especially after electing a new pope up to his neck in the cover up of child rape?

Unfortunately, I think this problem will be way down the list of PR priorities of the Vatican (I say PR as opposed to moral, because I don't think they give a shit about universal secular morality, only their own twisted, outmoded version and how they can spin it to make it look less bad).

Here is a classic example of Vatican spin and a revealing insight into their twisted mentality:

In a statement, read out by Archbishop Silvano Maria Tomasi at a meeting of the United Nations Human Rights Council in Geneva on 22 September 2009, the Holy See stated that the majority of Catholic clergy who had committed acts of sexual abuse against under 18 year olds should not be viewed as paedophiles, but as homosexuals who are attracted to sex with adolescent males. The statement said that rather than paedophilia, "it would be more correct to speak of ephebophilia; being a homosexual attraction to adolescent males[...] Of all priests involved in the abuses, 80 to 90% belong to this sexual orientation minority which is sexually engaged with adolescent boys between the ages of 11 and 17."

...Oh well, that's all ok then. Let's ignore the fact they are abusing their positions of authority to rape and mentally torture children, as long as they are correctly labelled! It's obscene.

Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:35:47 UTC | #595932

Alan Dente's Avatar Comment 17 by Alan Dente

The article is dated 2001, which is strange. It doesn't seem like an old article. Then again, it is the Gruniad so it's prolly a typo.

The 'repression-sex-guilt-repentance-repeat' cycle of Christianity is one of the most intoxicating and dangerous ways to live, in terms of the human suffering caused when pent-up natural desires break through the dam of religious constraint. And, from what I've experienced of xtianity, it seems likely that the priests involved in the coercive rapes probably suffered enormously themselves in terms of guilt etc. (*though there is no comparison with the suffering of those afflicted by the rapes, of course).

No one wins in such situations. Religion poisons everything, even the apparatus of the church and the supposed teachings of the gods.

The stupidest thing is that there does not appear to be anything in the bible that demands celibacy anyway. I guess Jesus wasn't hardcore enough for Catholics.

Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:38:17 UTC | #595933

RDfan's Avatar Comment 18 by RDfan

I went to a Catholic primary boarding school in Uganda. It was in the middle of nowhere, literally in the jungle. The journey to the school was long, bumpy and winding. We finally made it into this clearing in the bush, it was the school. It was one of the best schools in the country, so parents tripped over themselves to send their kids there.

The sisters, who were also our teachers, where nuns from Italy. The brothers, who also taught us, where mainly Ugandan priests. I remember my first day was the longest day of my life. But then I settled into the routine of things, I stopped crying. Nothing ever did happen to me, except for the time when we were nearly kidnapped by rebels. Many of us managed to escape, many did not. Between the rebels and the priests/nuns, life was hard. It was a strict regime in that school. Yet after a short while, I felt lucky. I felt sorry for the younger kids. I wondered what it must have felt like to be so far away from home; some of them were two days travel away from home. I was nine years old at the time. The youngest kids there where six.

In the company of these grown adults, we, the kids, felt alone and helpless. Who knows what happened between those dorm walls? Who knows?

Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:40:07 UTC | #595935

MrPickwick's Avatar Comment 19 by MrPickwick

Have you noticed the date on this article?

Wednesday, 21 March 2001

Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:42:59 UTC | #595937

Nick Healey's Avatar Comment 20 by Nick Healey

Comment 19 by MrPickwick

So what? See my post 16.

Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:50:48 UTC | #595941

Sensitive Outsider's Avatar Comment 21 by Sensitive Outsider

So what? See my post 16. As i said,this article is 10 years old,so while appalling crimes were committed,i for one do not know what the outcome was,the guilty priests may have been defrocked,tried and sentenced. Imagine you went to the CEO of a large company with a 10 year old newspaper cutting,to accuse him of a cover-up. For all we know they could say "as soon as it was brought to our attention we put procedures in place to stop it happening again,and handed the perpetrators over to the authorities for trial.

Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:57:09 UTC | #595943

Stevehill's Avatar Comment 22 by Stevehill

It does seem to be a decade old, as this other contemporary report suggests:

http://www.oocities.org/asia_correspondent/vatican0104rapect.html

Or maybe a year old, per this report:

http://thenonbeliever.com/catholic-church/vatican-confirms-report-of-sexual-abuse-and-rape-of-nuns-by-priests-in-23-countries/

Maybe the 2001 and 2010 got transposed? Although then again, it currently appears on the Independent's index page as the current most popular story.

As the Catholics would say, it's a mystery.

Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:58:15 UTC | #595944

mmurray's Avatar Comment 23 by mmurray

Comment 17 by Alan Dente :

The article is dated 2001, which is strange. It doesn't seem like an old article. Then again, it is the Gruniad so it's prolly a typo.

It's not the Gruniad it's the Inpedendent.

Michael

Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:07:29 UTC | #595947

Nick Healey's Avatar Comment 24 by Nick Healey

Comment 21 by Sensitive Outsider

the guilty priests may have been defrocked,tried and sentenced. Imagine you went to the CEO of a large company with a 10 year old newspaper cutting,to accuse him of a cover-up. For all we know they could say "as soon as it was brought to our attention we put procedures in place to stop it happening again,and handed the perpetrators over to the authorities for trial.

I don't know the outcome either, but I would be willing to bet serious money that less than 1% of the priests were defrocked, faced criminal rape charges in the country it happened, or that the perpetrators faced any tougher sanction than a brief spell of penance before being moved to another parish; the same as the way they've dealt with child rapists.

Without wanting to diminish the seriousness of these crimes, an adult woman is less vulnerable than a child, at least in Western cultures and thus less of a PR problem to the Vatican. Harsh, but the evidence suggests that the Vatican only deals with a problem when it can no longer be kept secret and threatens to become a PR nightmare, so I'd be willing to bet they've done very little about this.

Flouting of the celibacy laws and ecclesiastical rape has gone on for centuries and I can't imagine that it has been stamped out in the last decade, not least because of the sheer number of priests who are attracted to the priesthood for the very reason that they can get away with that kind of behaviour. The Vatican itself estimates that only (their word, can you believe it) 5% of priests are child abusers. That's about 20,000 active priests.

Your analogy of a multinational corporation is interesting. If a company had the sexual harassment and child abuse statistics on a par with the catholic church, there would be a major scandal and the CEO would be forced to resign and possibly face criminal charges of complicity in covering it up, regardless of when they came to light.

Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:25:41 UTC | #595953

Alan Dente's Avatar Comment 25 by Alan Dente

Comment 23 by mmurray

Then again, it is the independent so... oh I give up. Reading never was a strong point.

Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:33:34 UTC | #595957

Sensitive Outsider's Avatar Comment 26 by Sensitive Outsider

I agree entirely,and have no love at all for the catholic church. Just imagine all the comments here being picked up by a catholic web-site. It is entirely plausable that they will say something like"Those stupid atheists,supposed to only believe in facts and reason,too lazy to check the date the report was written,arguing about a matter that was dealt with by the aaauthorities at the time" It weakens this web-site,and the name of Richard Dawkins by association if in fact they have dealt with it(though i agree that given their past reputation that appears unlikely).

Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:39:07 UTC | #595958

Nick Healey's Avatar Comment 27 by Nick Healey

It's not as though I am imminently expecting an invite to tea with the pope, so I couldn't give a shit what the idiots at the Vatican think.

I don't think it weakens the site, because as you concede it is unlikely that they have stamped out clerical abuse, or indeed dealt with the problem, to the satisfaction of the secular crowd, whenever it came to light. They don't care about justice, they care about sin. That's the fundamental and insurmountable difference between us.

Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:48:38 UTC | #595961

Sensitive Outsider's Avatar Comment 28 by Sensitive Outsider

I just think that it is very suspicous that a 10 year old article suddenly appears on the 10 most read section. How many views does that take?Remember The Independent has the smallest readership of any newspaper in the UK,it could be just a few thousand.Also,it is most viewed,not most read,so one person could click on an old article many times in a few minutes. It would not take many people working together to bump the post up. We are dealing with a group that has 2,000 years of manipulation to fall back on,able to co-erce many of their members to do it's bidding,even unasked. I smell a rat,and a set-up.

Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:17:06 UTC | #595970

Stevehill's Avatar Comment 29 by Stevehill

I smell IT, and a cock-up...

Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:32:21 UTC | #595972

GoneGolfing's Avatar Comment 30 by GoneGolfing

The pope's boy Joaquin Navarro:

Certain negative situations must not overshadow the often heroic faith of the overwhelming majority of religious, nuns and priests".

Fuck you Navarro ! I'll decide what I allow to overshadow your bogus faith, and rape within the ranks is one of the things that I will ! ......Parasites !

Fri, 25 Feb 2011 13:25:59 UTC | #595994