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Stevehill's Avatar Comment 1 by Stevehill

In 2007 the Howard government introduced federal funding for chaplains to work in schools, with the proviso they were not to evangelise or proselytise.

That's never going to happen.

You might as well give drunks the keys to a brewery on condition they only drink tea.

Mon, 11 Apr 2011 08:28:30 UTC | #613873

sunbeamforjeebus's Avatar Comment 2 by sunbeamforjeebus

Sorry ,it it me or is it not obvious that if you invite a "chaplain" into your school and give him a platform,that he will spout the religion of his uniform.If I put a crocodile in my cat's basket,should I be surprised if the bastard bites me when I try to stroke him????

Mon, 11 Apr 2011 08:32:02 UTC | #613876

PERSON's Avatar Comment 3 by PERSON

Next up:

Foxes in hen houses: guardians or threat?

Bears: where do they defecate?

The pope: what religion is he? Your views, poll.

Mon, 11 Apr 2011 08:38:47 UTC | #613877

Vorlund's Avatar Comment 4 by Vorlund

Proselytizing by definition is any act of attempting to convert people to another opinion and particularly, another religion. The priest who says he doesn't is either a liar or he is too thick to understand the potential abuse of authority in human social interaction.

The churches don't miss a trick. They know all too well that few people much less children are psychologically equipped to dissent. It is even harder when in proximity to authority or an authoritativve figure. The invitation; 'Let us pray' can be be delivered with a considerable air of menace when uttered by an adult to impressionable youngsters. A disapproving scowl in the direction of the non-compliant could be enough to sway those that thought they'd sit it out.

There is sufficient evidence of the evil perpetrated by the abrahamic religions, there should be a zero tolerance in all schools against exposing young people to it.

Mon, 11 Apr 2011 08:40:54 UTC | #613878

f1vnc's Avatar Comment 5 by f1vnc

In 2007 the Howard government introduced federal funding for chaplains to work in schools, with the proviso they were not to evangelise or proselytise.

Stupid Boy

Mon, 11 Apr 2011 08:49:30 UTC | #613880

mmurray's Avatar Comment 6 by mmurray

Comment 5 by f1vnc :

In 2007 the Howard government introduced federal funding for chaplains to work in schools, with the proviso they were not to evangelise or proselytise.

Stupid Boy

Not at all. It was quite clear what he was doing. Pandering to the Australian Christian Lobby. The not proselytising thing was just "plausible deniability" otherwise you would just fund secular counsellors in schools. Unfortunately non of the subsequent Labor PM's, Rudd or Gillard have been interested in ditching the chaplains. Maybe a few more stories like this will help them find some principles.

What these people will claim of course is that they are taking two separate roles at the school. One is Chaplaincy the other is holding prayer meetings etc at lunch time or after School. So the rules for Chaplaincies need to be revised. You take the Chaplaincy job and you are not allowed any other role in the school.

Michael

Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:04:07 UTC | #613881

Stafford Gordon's Avatar Comment 7 by Stafford Gordon

Religion's like a drug, and its addicts need their fixes. That they think they can't live without it is bad enough, but worst of all, they want everyone else hooked. They're both addicts and dealers; very bad news!

Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:20:32 UTC | #613886

TrickyDicky's Avatar Comment 8 by TrickyDicky

Comment 6 by mmurray :

Unfortunately non of the subsequent Labor PM's, Rudd or Gillard have been interested in ditching the chaplains. Maybe a few more stories like this will help them find some principles.

Novel idea - politicians with principles

Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:30:04 UTC | #613888

jasonball88's Avatar Comment 9 by jasonball88

Please cast a 'Like' and a "Tweet' for the good guys:

http://www.notochaplains.org/


Created in response to:

http://www.supportschoolchaplains.com.au/

Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:30:37 UTC | #613889

SomersetJohn's Avatar Comment 10 by SomersetJohn

Why so surprised?

LFJ's are always going to put their own fantasies ahead of other's realities.

Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:07:55 UTC | #613893

SnowyDoc's Avatar Comment 11 by SnowyDoc

@ jasonball88

Thanks for the links. :-)

Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:09:19 UTC | #613894

mmurray's Avatar Comment 12 by mmurray

Comment 8 by TrickyDicky :

Comment 6 by mmurray :

Unfortunately non of the subsequent Labor PM's, Rudd or Gillard have been interested in ditching the chaplains. Maybe a few more stories like this will help them find some principles.

Novel idea - politicians with principles

I know. I nearly didn't write that! But in Australia Labor Party politicians like to pretend they have principles but they don't like to bring them out very much. Part of the problem is our system of compulsory, preferential voting. Both parties know that their hard core supporters have nowhere to go but to vote for them. So they ignore the people who have an ideological commitment to the party and fight for the center "swinging" voters who they need to win the election.

Michael

Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:16:17 UTC | #613896

AsylumWarden's Avatar Comment 13 by AsylumWarden

Just don't give these people a platform AT ALL! Job done!

Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:17:24 UTC | #613897

AtheistEgbert's Avatar Comment 14 by AtheistEgbert

Christians can't help themselves. Breaking the law for Jesus.

Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:36:53 UTC | #613899

Imroy's Avatar Comment 15 by Imroy

Comment 6 by mmurray : Unfortunately non of the subsequent Labor PM's, Rudd or Gillard have been interested in ditching the chaplains. Maybe a few more stories like this will help them find some principles.

Sadly, I doubt that's going to happen. The last I heard, Gillard lost a lot of votes in the last election to the christians being scared of a non-believer. That's despite her promise during the campaign to increase funding to this very chaplaincy program.

As much as I disliked Rudd's occasional religious diversions, it at least kept the flock feeling secure. He didn't have to do things that affected the rest of us. But non-believer Gillard had to do all sorts of pandering to the religious in a desperate attempt to keep their votes. And even then it didn't work very well.

Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:49:07 UTC | #613902

mjwemdee's Avatar Comment 16 by mjwemdee

In 2007 the Howard government introduced federal funding for chaplains to work in schools, with the proviso they were not to evangelise or proselytise.

Sheesh! Follow the breadcrumbs, Gretel.

Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:58:33 UTC | #613908

RomeStu's Avatar Comment 17 by RomeStu

"When the chaplaincy role was sold to us, it was also sold to us in terms of the fact that it was not a religious-based position," she said.

Caveat emptor! Idiots, the lot of them. Now, if they've kept the receipt perhaps they can take it back to the shop.

I can't even really blame the chaplains either - like it or not, they're just doing their thing. But the spineless politicians playing to the religious lobby who passed this law need a generous kick up the.....

Mon, 11 Apr 2011 12:17:37 UTC | #613909

pittige 's Avatar Comment 18 by pittige

chaplains are created for pushing religion. What should the government expect ?

Mon, 11 Apr 2011 12:19:38 UTC | #613910

sunbeamforjeebus's Avatar Comment 19 by sunbeamforjeebus

chapĀ·lain (chpln) n. Abbr. Ch. 1. A member of the clergy attached to a chapel. 2. a. A member of the clergy who conducts religious services for an institution, such as a prison or hospital. b. A member of the clergy who is connected with a royal court or an aristocratic household. 3. A member of the clergy attached to a branch of the armed forces.

[Middle English chapelein, from Old French chapelain, from Medieval Latin capellnus, from capella, chapel; see chapel.]

This is the dictionary definition,which bit did they feel was not "a religious- based position"?

Mon, 11 Apr 2011 12:48:32 UTC | #613915

Jumped Up Chimpanzee's Avatar Comment 20 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee

"When the chaplaincy role was sold to us, it was also sold to us in terms of the fact that it was not a religious-based position," she said.

"It was purely a welfare-based position. Our concern is that it's moved beyond that now, that we now have information that some of these people in schools are actually having religious activities, prayer meetings, and encouraging students to come along."

If there are people like this in the ranks of secularism, I think we should abandon the label "Brights".

Mon, 11 Apr 2011 13:58:04 UTC | #613943

Stafford Gordon's Avatar Comment 21 by Stafford Gordon

I posted a comment earlier which was acknowledged but has not appeared.

Mon, 11 Apr 2011 14:05:01 UTC | #613949

darkgently's Avatar Comment 22 by darkgently

Comment 15 by Imroy :

As much as I disliked Rudd's occasional religious diversions, it at least kept the flock feeling secure. He didn't have to do things that affected the rest of us. But non-believer Gillard had to do all sorts of pandering to the religious in a desperate attempt to keep their votes. And even then it didn't work very well.

Sadly that's true. It's not only this chaplaincy thing, she's officially against marriage equality too (for some unfathomable reason). It's about time the Labor party abandoned this ill-conceived strategy of sucking up to the Christians and being more conservative than the conservatives. Don't be scared of them! Give us a real alternative!

This highlights the importance of the Census in August. Julia needs to know how many fellow nonbelievers are out there, desperately hoping she'll stand up for secular principles.

Mon, 11 Apr 2011 14:30:11 UTC | #613969

Stafford Gordon's Avatar Comment 23 by Stafford Gordon

I spoke too soon!

Mon, 11 Apr 2011 14:32:50 UTC | #613973

sara g's Avatar Comment 24 by sara g

The only word springing to mind is "Duh."

Mon, 11 Apr 2011 14:54:46 UTC | #613989

sara g's Avatar Comment 25 by sara g

A show of hands, anyone, has anyone met a Christian who behaved as though rules applied to them?

OK, that was slightly unfair, but still applies to the generality.

Mon, 11 Apr 2011 14:56:24 UTC | #613991

Ani Sharmin's Avatar Comment 26 by Ani Sharmin

Is it really a surprise that a chaplain would try to convert the students to Christianity? Isn't that part of the job description?

Mon, 11 Apr 2011 15:19:41 UTC | #614006

ajs261's Avatar Comment 27 by ajs261

Why couldn't the schools have just hired counsellors if the position is meant to be secular?

Also, "The other week a Year 7 boy put up his hand and said, 'I asked Jesus into my life the other day'." When I read that I was hit by a wave of disgust and revulsion. And, in fact, severe dislike for the person who indoctrinated him.

Mon, 11 Apr 2011 15:23:42 UTC | #614013

DocWebster's Avatar Comment 28 by DocWebster

Comment 25 by sara g :

A show of hands, anyone, has anyone met a Christian who behaved as though rules applied to them?

OK, that was slightly unfair, but still applies to the generality.

I've never met one that didn't think it was their duty, regardless of anyone's right to privacy, to find out which religion you ascribed to and if need be steer you away from the path of damnation you're on. It is as if nobody deserves a right to privacy until they answer the "QUESTION". If you refuse to answer and try to escape they feel the need to call in reinforcements to help corral you. Even my ex tried to get me to go to church with her by dragging me to a bowling and pizza night. I could respect her wish to attend church with her friends as long as I didn't have to hear about it but I could not receive the same courtesy. You can't even have your wish to not be visited by clergy in a hospital respected. I was in the hospital for chest pains and one of the things I had to do was suffer through a chemically induced stress test. Right in the middle of dealing with that A female pestor of some sort comes breezing in and offers to guide any prayers anyone may want to utter. Well at least I got stressed enough. Luckily the nursing student I had was a former army medic and she gave that pastor just about the most polite perp walk I've ever seen to clear room of clerical infestation. She turned out to be an atheist also, unfortunately a happily married one.

Mon, 11 Apr 2011 15:35:18 UTC | #614022

Neodarwinian's Avatar Comment 29 by Neodarwinian

How could they possibly think these people would not proselytize? That is one of their main rules, go out and be fishers of men. Or, in this case, defenseless children.

Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:25:45 UTC | #614078

Carl Sai Baba's Avatar Comment 30 by Carl Sai Baba

Comment 3 by PERSON :

Next up:

Foxes in hen houses: guardians or threat?

Bears: where do they defecate?

The pope: what religion is he? Your views, poll.

To add the same moronic causality-confusing tagline appended to all Fox News polls: "You decide!"

Tomorrow's headline: "Nation's forests explode after Fox News readers decide that bears do not defecate in the woods."

Mon, 11 Apr 2011 18:25:01 UTC | #614099