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geckoman's Avatar Comment 1 by geckoman

"Knowing what happened" said the victim's lawyer "I then want ask him (the Bish) what he then understands to be brutal sex."

In addition, the Bishop implies that the 'relationship' was consensual as the child was happy with it. So the gist from the Bishop is that a bit of fiddling is okay with a child as long as the subjective view of the perpetrator is that the victim appears to enjoy it?

At least the Bishop is receiving spiritual treatment. That will really help. Twats.

Fri, 15 Apr 2011 10:05:21 UTC | #615732

FractalShift's Avatar Comment 2 by FractalShift

It's a pity there isn't a hell for him to go to. He should be given a "little piece of intimacy" with a red hot poker.

Fri, 15 Apr 2011 10:10:42 UTC | #615733

PhilipK's Avatar Comment 3 by PhilipK

False alarm everyone:

"Of course I know that this was not good," he said. "I have confessed many times."

Don't worry about it, he confessed. It's all good, no harm done.

Fri, 15 Apr 2011 10:11:58 UTC | #615734

jointhedots's Avatar Comment 4 by jointhedots

What a truly disgusting person. He actually seems to be implying that his victims benefited from the 'relationships' . This shows a shockingly arrogant attitude of entitlement and no regard or recognition of the rights/feelings of others.

Fri, 15 Apr 2011 10:14:42 UTC | #615735

AsylumWarden's Avatar Comment 5 by AsylumWarden

He does not face prosecution because the abuse occurred decades ago.

Who cares how long ago it was? He's guilty - arrest him! 'nuff said!

Fri, 15 Apr 2011 10:16:44 UTC | #615736

Mark Jones's Avatar Comment 6 by Mark Jones

Speaking in Vatican City, Fr Lombardi said Roger Vangheluwe had been ordered to leave Belgium and undergo spiritual and psychological treatment.

I'm not sure what leaving Belgium is supposed to achieve, but a more appropriate course of action would be to ensure any civil investigation is co-operated with, and that the man is subject to the judicial system. That would demand he stays in Belgium. This bizarre policy of moving criminals around seems designed to safeguard the institution rather than the people.

Fri, 15 Apr 2011 10:18:11 UTC | #615737

Slugsie's Avatar Comment 7 by Slugsie

Um, what? He's admitted to having sexual contact with a minor over a period of 13 years. How, in any way shape or form, is that not paedophilia? He needs to be locked up ASAP.

Fri, 15 Apr 2011 10:27:13 UTC | #615738

Vogon42's Avatar Comment 8 by Vogon42

I guess it takes one repulsive, disgusting old man to protect another from the consequences of indulging in his vile urges. Oh, I'm sorry.... I think I must mean that God's representative on Earth is once again showing Christ's compassion and forgiveness for those who have been tempted into sin by the evil influence of the secular world.

As His Holiness told us last year, this sort of thing is not the Church's fault and is entirely due to the perverted values of secular society back in the 70s, when everyone regarded buggering little boys as being entirely acceptable (or, at least, I suppose the people he consorted with did).

Fri, 15 Apr 2011 10:57:37 UTC | #615742

Vorlund's Avatar Comment 9 by Vorlund

Vatican has still to decide his fate?

They'd have no fucking problems working it out if this was an unmarried mother, or a rape victim, or a 'temptress' (irish catholic parlance for a pretty young girl). They never had any trouble making decisions in these cases.

Fri, 15 Apr 2011 11:12:54 UTC | #615746

Nunbeliever's Avatar Comment 10 by Nunbeliever

He described the 13 years of sexual abuse to which he had subjected one nephew from the age of five as no more than "a little piece of intimacy".

What a disgusting, sick and twisted individual. He should definately be locked up for the rest of his miserable life. This man is a paedophile down to his very spine. Sadly many catholics will probably forgive this man just because he is a priest. Put posters of this horrible man in every street corner. He deserves to be harrassed and taunted for the rest of his life. Let him know what pig he is and let him know his god is not going to help him this time.

Fri, 15 Apr 2011 11:14:59 UTC | #615747

SomersetJohn's Avatar Comment 11 by SomersetJohn

Typical pedo, they usually believe their victims were willing participants who enjoyed being penetrated by an adult.

Belgium needs to take a long hard look at its laws, if they cannot prosecute these perverts due to the laps of time. No statute of limitations for child abusers.

And if the little village of idiots in Rome refuse to cooperate in extraditing the bastard then Ratzo should be prosecuted as an accessory to the crimes. Even if it's in his absence.

Fri, 15 Apr 2011 11:28:34 UTC | #615751

Vogon42's Avatar Comment 12 by Vogon42

I can understand problems in prosecuting over events that took place long ago when witnesses memories may be vague. However, when there is a freely given - almost gloating - confession by the criminal there ought to be a mechanism for bringing legal proceedings. They've probably hidden the pervert abroad precisely because they are afraid the law might be adjusted to take account of people like him.

Fri, 15 Apr 2011 11:34:55 UTC | #615753

superbeanson's Avatar Comment 13 by superbeanson

Lol, this is CLASSIC peadophile defense, ie, they really enjoyed it, it wasn't peadophillia, I'm not a danger to anyone, - straight out of the Gary Glitter songbook.

F*** knows why this sick man is suffered the air time in Belgium, you would have thought after Mark Detroux...

Fri, 15 Apr 2011 12:28:02 UTC | #615761

Ivan The Not So Bad's Avatar Comment 14 by Ivan The Not So Bad

He had considered suicide but believed it to be a "cowardly act".

So you dismiss as cowards the many victims of priestly abuse who did end up taking their own lives? You abuse them even in death?

........the Vatican spokesman added that it was "obvious" he would not be allowed to practise as a priest while he was undergoing treatment.

No. Given your track record, it is not "obvious" at all.

Fri, 15 Apr 2011 12:28:03 UTC | #615762

shamik05's Avatar Comment 15 by shamik05

What a sick, shameless bastard... I guess that is what is religion taught him...

Fri, 15 Apr 2011 12:28:11 UTC | #615763

Notstrident's Avatar Comment 16 by Notstrident

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Fri, 15 Apr 2011 12:30:35 UTC | #615765

Monsignor Del Scitte's Avatar Comment 17 by Monsignor Del Scitte

I have confessed many times

... hence I'm in the clear. Religion has always been a safe haven for borderline psychopaths.

Fri, 15 Apr 2011 12:40:28 UTC | #615768

superbeanson's Avatar Comment 18 by superbeanson

The disgraced cleric has not been defrocked

of course not, he's a pedo- the catholic church is exactly where he should be, amongst like minded individuals

Fri, 15 Apr 2011 12:40:51 UTC | #615769

thebaldgit's Avatar Comment 19 by thebaldgit

This is unfortunately a perfect example of an evil corrisive double act of a paedophile and catholic priest which means that there will always be a denial of the truth despite being confronted by overwhelming evidence. Child sex predators are famed for denial and the catholic church will deny black is white if it means protecting its own criminals. His behavior is in no way surprising he probably genuinely believes he has done nothing wrong irregardless of what people in the real world know, lets hope that the Belgian authorities deal with him properly and don't allow him to get away with his sickening crimes.

Fri, 15 Apr 2011 12:46:14 UTC | #615770

aquilacane's Avatar Comment 20 by aquilacane

Were I the victim, I'd have a hard time not bringing him to justice myself. Court won't do it. Imaginary sky daddy won't do it.

Statutes of limitations exist for several reasons.

Firstly, there is always the difficulty of ensuring the defendant will get a fair trial several years after the crime. In this case, the trial is a formality due to a plea of guilt.

Secondly, resources needed for old cases puts a strain on investigating new crimes and is not deemed a good spend considering the sensitivity of evidence to time. Again, in this case, the plea of guilt removes much of the burden from resources like the police (reduced time for investigation), and legal resources (streamlined court case). Only the prison resources are taxed but wouldn't we rather have as many guilty plea inmates as possible?

Thirdly, If the abuser from before the statute period is still dangerous, they have probably continued to commit crimes. Besides, it is impossible to go after every criminal. Again, you don't have to go after this one. He has confessed.

Statutes of limitations should be waved in cases where a guilty plea is being offered. These such cases do not support any of the reasoning for invoking a statute of limitations and should not be impeded because of it.

I absolute hate how people can ignore evidence and reason.

Fri, 15 Apr 2011 12:49:50 UTC | #615771

sbooder's Avatar Comment 21 by sbooder

The disgraced cleric has not been defrocked but the Vatican spokesman added that it was "obvious" he would not be allowed to practise as a priest while he was undergoing treatment.

This seems imply that he will be allowed to practice as a Priest once the treatment is over. This is just beyond belief!

Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:20:42 UTC | #615781

Stafford Gordon's Avatar Comment 22 by Stafford Gordon

What ever happened to the morality inherent in religion?

A non believer commiting such a vile crime is horrible enough, but a person of religion doing so is worse beyond measure, because apart from the physical pain and mental anguish, it involves a massive betrayal of trust.

A peadophile is an adult who loves children. A paederast is a man who rapes them. This bastard is the latter.

And the fact that he adds insult to injury by triying to rationalize it, implying that the child was willing and enjoyed it, is, I believe, a classic symptom of his kind of condition. I've also been led to believe that such a mental state is incurable. Does anyone know if these two things are true? I certainly stand to be corrected.

Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:23:29 UTC | #615782

Marc Country's Avatar Comment 23 by Marc Country

Belgium has a statute of limitations on CHILD RAPE?

Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:27:12 UTC | #615784

sunbeamforjeebus's Avatar Comment 24 by sunbeamforjeebus

How is it that we can still find ex-guards and murderers fronm the death camps and (quite rightly) put them on trial. When this sickening bastard can repeatedly confess to the systematic rape of a child over 13 years and not be brought to book???? And as for the fucking vatican not deciding his fate,I'm fucking speechless!!!!!

Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:28:04 UTC | #615785

Michael Gray's Avatar Comment 25 by Michael Gray

To paraphrase Orwell: Four fiddles: Bad. Two fiddles: Good.

Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:31:29 UTC | #615786

ScottB's Avatar Comment 26 by ScottB

Perhaps if he'd spent more time reading a dictionary instead of a Bible he may have either a) learnt and understood the meaning of the words 'rape' and 'paedophile' or b) never have become a paedophile rapist in the first place!

Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:37:35 UTC | #615788

AlexCalvo's Avatar Comment 27 by AlexCalvo

This is unbelievable.

Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:39:30 UTC | #615789

andyseaspray's Avatar Comment 28 by andyseaspray

"He does not face prosecution because the abuse occurred decades ago."

So what is the time needed for the child rape crimes getting too "old" to prosecute? As I understand it murder never gets "old" ? I seriously think that he should be prosecuted like every other pedo out there, and the catholic church can keep away from the whole thing and stop poking in things that don't belong to it anymore.

Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:46:21 UTC | #615791

CleverCarbon's Avatar Comment 29 by CleverCarbon

What is the point in having laws with expiration dates? This man has confessed to violating two young children and the most he faces, because he waited a while before admitting it, is the possibility of being fired? I cannot fathom anyone who claims to be part of the "Justice" system who could seriously think that this counts as justice.

Despicable. Truly Despicable.

Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:54:39 UTC | #615793

Zelig's Avatar Comment 30 by Zelig

What a horrible, vile man, in a horrible, vile organisation. These poor children . . . More proof, if more were needed, that Might is Right. What a shitty species we are.

Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:58:24 UTC | #615795