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Carl Sai Baba's Avatar Comment 1 by Carl Sai Baba

I am Carl Sai Baba, and I am God. Spread my holy message, as there will surely be frauds making the same claim and we cannot allow that. Until the death of this body, I am the ONLY true God on Earth. I am the successor to Sathya and the original creator of all religions.

Thu, 28 Apr 2011 19:53:48 UTC | #620360

Kurt Unwise's Avatar Comment 2 by Kurt Unwise

Finally, an article here on "the Great Avatar"..... most of the major Indian newspapers devoted several full pages to the news the day after his death.

He had predicted at a public gathering at his head quarters in Puttaparthy, in 2000, and repeatedly many times, that he would die at the age of 96 only. And till the last moment, many of his devotees clung to his word and waited for a miracle. May it be an eye opener for the millions of gullible people whom he misguided and deluded.

No, the rationalizing was quick among the devotees that I knew..... "The prophecy was never made Baba himself, it was planted in the media by jealous people...." I hope the internet becomes widely available here in India at the earliest....that'll help!

Many of his high society devotees came to serve their own vested interests.

That's true. Many Indian politicians, including two former prime ministers and a former president, were his "devotees" simply because of his large base of followers. But I guess, that's how it works in a democracy!

Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:11:32 UTC | #620368

superbeanson's Avatar Comment 3 by superbeanson

LOL, thank god that freaky afro-haired child abuser is dead.

I used to live in Totnes- many Sai Baba worshippers there. Some had trace amounts of vibuti, the miraculous ash that he 'manifested'- this stuff was treated with reverence by well educated, well-meaning but muddle-headed middle-class drop-outs.

I remember watching an expose on TV where you could definitely see him removing some trinket from the bottom of a sacred object he was handing to a lackey: then, palming the object, he proceded to 'manifest' it to the delight of his worshipping audience.

The man was a first class fraud who looks like a Gonk ffs...

Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:22:00 UTC | #620372

glenister_m's Avatar Comment 4 by glenister_m

I was wondering how long it would be before there was some comment (on this website, pharyngula, etc.) on his death was made. He is/was a symbol of irrationality and superstitution, and the world is a better place without him.

Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:37:29 UTC | #620379

Stafford Gordon's Avatar Comment 5 by Stafford Gordon

Another one bites the dust; trouble is, this phenomonom is a hydra headed monster; there will be more, until we fully mature out of our primeaval mentality, reason prevails, and the pattern seeking urge within us is finally universally understanded, accepted and come to terms with!

Thu, 28 Apr 2011 21:41:48 UTC | #620395

Schrodinger's Cat's Avatar Comment 6 by Schrodinger's Cat

brings to mind a favourite saying.....

" Seek those who seek the truth. Be wary of those who have found it "

Fri, 29 Apr 2011 05:31:26 UTC | #620511

Michael Gray's Avatar Comment 7 by Michael Gray

@6 Schrodinger's Cat:

How very true!

Fri, 29 Apr 2011 07:34:03 UTC | #620529

shamik05's Avatar Comment 8 by shamik05

Absolutely.. This guy was a fraudster.All his "miracles" were simple tricks any C grade magician can perform. India is today a better place without him but unfortunately we have lots of "babas" following his footsteps- unscrupulous scoundrels out to scare and loot money from common people with their "miracles" (tricks). And I do not buy the arguments about his many philanthropic initiatives - they were born out of his cheating people and hence dishonest. Sad that he lived till 85.

Fri, 29 Apr 2011 07:51:44 UTC | #620537

Dirty Kuffar's Avatar Comment 9 by Dirty Kuffar

This creep did not deserve a long life and natural death. The question now is ; why were the allegations of sexual abuse and money laundering never investigated ? I also recall reading reports that Indian secularists were often beaten up, sometimes severely, by his thugs- its a shame atheists did not form self defence groups to dish out a taste of his own medicene !

Fri, 29 Apr 2011 10:15:08 UTC | #620567

Duff's Avatar Comment 10 by Duff

News Flash!!!! God dies of multiple organ failure!

Fri, 29 Apr 2011 10:43:36 UTC | #620575

ashwinnarayan's Avatar Comment 11 by ashwinnarayan

It's amazing what blind faith can do to even the cleverest of people. Thousands of intelligent people including doctors and educated and distinguished members of academia were fooled by blind faith. Even my parents think he was an "Avatar of God" and believes all the nonsensical claims that he could perform "miracles" despite the mountains of evidence that point to cheap trickery and sleight of hand. Religion really does poison everything.

What a wonderful thing it is that I have freed myself from these primitive and childish ways of thinking. To all those misled Sai Baba devotees out there I say: "There is probably no god so stop worrying and enjoy your life."

Fri, 29 Apr 2011 11:45:36 UTC | #620591

Hellboy2's Avatar Comment 12 by Hellboy2

Let's just hope there's no other crackpot lined up to take his place as 'Sai Baba reborn'.

(A bit like the Master as he regenerates from Derek Jacobi into John Simm!)

Unfortunately, I doubt we've seen the last of this sort of thing in India.......

Fri, 29 Apr 2011 12:39:19 UTC | #620601

Nunbeliever's Avatar Comment 13 by Nunbeliever

Well his death was longed for. I guess not even his magical powers could prevent his body from deteriorating ;-) This is truelly a happy day! It is always refreshing to hear about the death of a terrible corrupt conman. Makes my day... You know, the same feeling you get after a warm shower when the filth is washed off your body and gone down to the sewer. Aaah! You almost feel reborn. I feel like singing.

Fri, 29 Apr 2011 13:15:06 UTC | #620616

viveksoley's Avatar Comment 14 by viveksoley

The problem is the 'public support' for such people. If there is no public support, these frauds will have no influence. Its time to educate the common man. But instead, it appears that these Babas have multiplied. The Indian TV is full of programs about such Babas and unfortunately at times the rationalist are called in to debate on the same platform. But, Richard Dawkins has said in one of his speech, 'if you are a geographer its usless to debate with a person who believes a flat earth theory'.

Fri, 29 Apr 2011 18:03:37 UTC | #620738

viveksoley's Avatar Comment 15 by viveksoley

Miracles means defying laws of nature. ' Miracle can not take place '. Not a single particle in this universe is allowed to misbehave . The moment a person under this simple fact. it becomes easier to make judgement.

Fri, 29 Apr 2011 18:34:42 UTC | #620752

reebus's Avatar Comment 16 by reebus

I find it somewhat amusing that god could only speak Telugu.

A vast number of his donators didn't live to such a grand old age nor enjoy his standard of creature comforts. I really feel sorry for them and those that have seen him die before his prophesy and are now left bewildered and confused no doubt. Later it will hit them those years are not redeemable. What a waste of life.

Fri, 29 Apr 2011 22:13:07 UTC | #620861

viveksoley's Avatar Comment 17 by viveksoley

Correction Miracles means defying laws of nature. ' Miracle can not take place '. Not a single particle in this universe is allowed to misbehave . The moment a person understands this simple fact.... it becomes easier to make judgement.

Sat, 30 Apr 2011 03:45:14 UTC | #620927

Stonyground's Avatar Comment 18 by Stonyground

Thaks to Superbeanson @comment#3 I was reminded of the word 'Gonk'. I can remember gonks being given as prizes at Hull Fair in the seventies. according to Wiki, people started making them during WWII because they couldn't get teddy bears.

I had never heard of Sathya Sai Baba until he was the subject of a BBC Radio 4 Thought for the Day a couple of days ago. The speaker was hedging her bets somewhat about whether he was a saint or a villain and as such her piece ended up being a bit pointless. Having read this article and the comments here, it would appear that there is no doubt about this and so such bet-hedging seems pretty inexcusable.

Sat, 30 Apr 2011 13:46:51 UTC | #621039

Roger_Belmar's Avatar Comment 19 by Roger_Belmar

The fact that Sathya Sai Baba, the saffron-robed Man of Miracles, died aged 85 instead of his publicly predicted age of 96 was the final proof that I was waiting for that he was a fraudster. He also predicted that he would be in perfect health before he died. He was actually wheelchair-bound from a fractured hip and in constant agony during those final years.

Sai Baba is a salient reminder that it is not just American tele-evangelists who fleece their flock of their hard-earned cash through sleight of hand. I'm an ex-devotee and was fooled for a time by this guru. That was before the sexual abuse allegations began to emerge. This was also before the popularity of You Tube videos which clearly show Sai Baba faking his materialisations through simplistic sleight of hand tactics, i.e. mostly palming items. Sleight of hand tricks have been a staple of Indian street magicians' performances for many years.

Religious Indians and non-Indians who suspect Sai Baba to be a fraud probably see him as a harmless rogue element in Hinduism which afflicts every religion now and again. The Sai Baba phenomenon is also of immense interest to atheists like myself who are seen as amoral and wicked. But it was Sai Baba who was wicked and amoral. He held the world in thrall with his cheap parlour tricks. He made public pronouncements about his own death which we now know to be blatantly false. I'm not going into any detail here about his charitable works because we all know how criminals and fraudsters legitimise themselves through money laundering.

The miracles, virgin birth and resurrection of Jesus are obviously elements superimposed by a much later generation of non-Jewish hagiographers on the life of a provincial, prosaic first-century Jew. We don't need a time machine to prove that. Sai Baba, however, hasn't left it for a later generation of hagiographers to make him a god but has done so in his own lifetime through downright fraud.

We need more atheist chat rooms, forums and meetings, perhaps even Sunday get-togethers. Many people are religious for social rather than truly religious reasons. Atheists need to interact and socialise more.

Sun, 01 May 2011 11:26:23 UTC | #621499

DerekJ's Avatar Comment 20 by DerekJ

What a smart thing to do if you're a human-god! Predict the year of your death, and when you're wrong, you're dead. Who cares!

Sun, 01 May 2011 11:31:40 UTC | #621502

yesnomaybe's Avatar Comment 21 by yesnomaybe

He looks exactly like a God should.

Sun, 01 May 2011 12:40:23 UTC | #621514

rampiranha's Avatar Comment 22 by rampiranha

Soon there'll be another fraudster to replace him. I find it funny and alarming that there is no shortage of these “God Men” in India. Also look up Premananda who was sent to jail for his crimes. Why don’t people want to learn?

Wed, 04 May 2011 05:33:48 UTC | #622846

Vorlund's Avatar Comment 23 by Vorlund

Sai baba - a mendacious and evil fraudster.

His followers? execrably stupid.

As a light entertainer/conjuror he'd have starved to death much earlier if it wasn't for the gullibility of india's uneducated. The only remarkable thing about this old cretin was his afro.

Wed, 18 May 2011 07:30:19 UTC | #627803