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nok's Avatar Comment 1 by nok

Wow. Where do Fox find 'em? Any high school student would be able to show how wrong this guy is. The trouble is, too many Fox viewers seem to be totally ignorant of any kind of scientific understanding whatsoever. Present some drivel with someone who appears to know what he's talking about, and they'll buy it.

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 00:41:36 UTC | #859533

rorymeister's Avatar Comment 2 by rorymeister

Their stupidity boggles the mind. They're blatantly wrong and they're allowed to broadcast this rubbish? Why?

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 00:42:10 UTC | #859534

MAJORPAIN's Avatar Comment 3 by MAJORPAIN

Face palm. Oh Cheeses K. Reist. When will it end?

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 00:53:06 UTC | #859536

B33b13br0x's Avatar Comment 4 by B33b13br0x

wow just wow

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 00:57:54 UTC | #859538

Alternative Carpark's Avatar Comment 5 by Alternative Carpark

Only in 'merkuh.

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 01:07:10 UTC | #859542

Atheist Mike's Avatar Comment 6 by Atheist Mike

Comment 2 by rorymeister :

Their stupidity boggles the mind. They're blatantly wrong and they're allowed to broadcast this rubbish? Why?

Because millions of Americans just can't get enough of this rubbish.

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 01:40:58 UTC | #859544

SoHelpMeReason's Avatar Comment 7 by SoHelpMeReason

When I read the title I put on my protective anti-obscene-stupidity helmet before proceeding.

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 01:47:51 UTC | #859546

Bloom's Avatar Comment 8 by Bloom

Come on, who is going to believe someone called Joe Bastardi?

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 02:09:22 UTC | #859550

gordon's Avatar Comment 9 by gordon

Bastardi. Has to be a spoof. Oh no, its Faux news again.

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 02:18:40 UTC | #859552

Austin K's Avatar Comment 10 by Austin K

Shameless liars. Americans should be up in arms against this pitiful excuse for journalism.

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 02:22:21 UTC | #859553

Neodarwinian's Avatar Comment 11 by Neodarwinian

LeChatelier's says nothing of the sort.

The stress is imposed on a system in equilibrium, then a return to normalcy. The stress, CO2, is still driving the system away from normalcy. Directly analogous to the Born-Haber process in effect, driving reactants towards products and not maintaining equilibrium.

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 03:09:16 UTC | #859559

alaskansee's Avatar Comment 12 by alaskansee

long live freedom of speech

duh

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 04:03:48 UTC | #859564

DaveUK9xx's Avatar Comment 13 by DaveUK9xx

Something I personally have taken a while to comprehend is that the Republican Party when faced with facts that don't please them simply lie about it. When the Bush administration needed to get the American people on side over the planned invasion of Iraq they just invented the lie that Iraq was linked to Al Queda and the events of 9/11.

Senator John Kyl stated in Congress recently that over 90% of Planned Parenthood's activity was devoted to abortion and then qualified that later by saying "it was not intended to be a factual statement" because it was in fact an out and out lie.

Fox News have no compunction about doing exactly the same. Faced with an American audience who are in large part poorly educated, prefer religious delusion over facts and have little understanding of science it's easy to convince them of anything you want once you've firmly put to one side any moral dilemma about telling the truth.

I think we all understand that politicians "spin" facts and tell the side of the story that they want heard but it's quite hard for ethical people to come to terms with the concept of outright blatant lying by those in positions of power.

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 04:10:06 UTC | #859568

All About Meme's Avatar Comment 14 by All About Meme

As an American, my first reaction to this was great sorrow. A surge of anger then rose into my chest, and I just wanted to stand in the middle of the street, and scream at the top of my lungs.

Sniper tactics like these demonstrate that the morality behind Fox News is no better than the morality of people like Ted Kaczynski and Charles Whitman. The organizations funding these messages know damn well it won't matter if the messages are subsequently and easily refuted in less widely distributed media forums, because the damage in terms of harmful memes has already been inflicted. There are millions in America who see Fox News as their only source of information. It's very sad.

Fox News continues to bring disgrace upon this country, and to the world at large. Rupert Murdoch, you are a fool, and a coward. You have small dreams. You are easily bought, and you have lost your moral compass. Your own mother would be ashamed of this stunt if the true science was explained to her in clear terms. You are essentially the village idiot, Rupert Murdoch, and you have earned my utter contempt.

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 04:30:55 UTC | #859571

alaskansee's Avatar Comment 15 by alaskansee

@comment 14 by All About Meme - re Murdoch's prostitution

Here, here

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 04:53:50 UTC | #859574

mordacious1's Avatar Comment 16 by mordacious1

Comment 1 by nok

Any high school student would be able to show how wrong this guy is.

This part of your comment is incorrect. If it was correct, then Fox wouldn't be able to promote such tripe. I would rather have you state that many high school students would be able to show how wrong this guy is. By many I mean about 15% (am I being too optimistic?).

Kinda on the same topic, my daughter just got her California High School Exit Exam results. She missed 1 question in three sections (she could tell you why Mr. Bastardi was wrong). Unfortunately, only 23% of the kids statewide passed the exam the first time out. This is California and I think the results are depressing. Now think how well the kids in Alabama or Mississippi would do.

The problem occurs when these kids graduate (if they do) and become adults. They watch Fox (if they watch the news at all) and it is, "Golly, global warming must be wrong. I knew it because it snowed this winter".

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 06:29:34 UTC | #859582

J.KEARNS's Avatar Comment 17 by J.KEARNS

Tide goes in, tide goes all out!

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 06:37:22 UTC | #859584

Perfect Tommy's Avatar Comment 18 by Perfect Tommy

Comment 10 by Austin K :

Shameless liars. Americans should be up in arms against this pitiful excuse for journalism.

Most of the intelligent people don't bother watching Faux news except either to laugh at them at every turn, or deride them for all of the disinformation/misdirection that goes on there. One only has to watch the Daily Show with Jon Stewart to see what I mean. It's sad, but freedom of press and all of that. Only thing to do is take them to task on every subject that they get wrong (daunting task I know) and talk about it in forums/opinion pieces/blogs and hope that we can persuade the less gullible that they are nothing more than a tabloid at best, propaganda machine for the right wing at worst. I heard somewhere that they actually have more fact checkers than any other news service. That's kind of a joke really: it's either they have so many ignoramuses over there that they need that many, or that if they do have that many, they definitely got the easiest job on the planet because there doesn't seem to be much supervision in the least nor do they pay attention.

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 06:58:54 UTC | #859588

rjohn19's Avatar Comment 19 by rjohn19

Mordacious-

It's even worse than you might imagine down 'heah in de Souf' where Fox News is king.

Byrnes High School, just down the road about 10 miles from me, is a pretty good school but a great national football power, frequently playing on national TV. They have their own "jumbo-tron" (for you Brits that is a giant TV screen for replays allowing the fans in the stadium the option of killing referees for bad calls under the protection of justifiable homicide.

This school wanted to offer freshman biology as an option to "physical science" which is what one takes in the third grade. The state of South Carolina decided the course was not federally mandated and refused to provide text books. The cost was estimated at $10,000, about what the school spends on GatorAde for the football team (OK, that might have been a stretch).

To the credit of the local district, the officials have postured that they will pay it out of pocket but my breath is not held on that account. This might be an opportunity for the Dawkins foundation to make some waves with an offer that I have every confidence would be refused for obvious Bible Belt reasons.

Here is a link to the sad story- http://www.goupstate.com/article/20110804/ARTICLES/110809814

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 07:43:58 UTC | #859595

Cartomancer's Avatar Comment 20 by Cartomancer

Surely the US must have some kind of Press Complaints Commission or Broadcasting Standards Authority to regulate this kind of outrageous on-air lying? Why haven't they intervened yet? Where are the relevant regulatory bodies in this? Surely to goodness willfully and knowingly attempting to mislead and harm the education of millions of people must be some sort of crime over there?

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 08:12:37 UTC | #859597

Aztek's Avatar Comment 21 by Aztek

Geez. If I were this Joe Bastardi I would be so ashamed. Calling himself a global warming expert and yet not knowing better. I'm a lousy little business major and even I know what is wrong with those two points. How embarrassing is that? Not for me of course, but it should be for him. People who know far less about global warming than what he should know, can still easily see what is wrong in those two points.

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 08:18:33 UTC | #859599

Steven Mading's Avatar Comment 22 by Steven Mading

Comment 20 by Cartomancer :

Surely the US must have some kind of Press Complaints Commission or Broadcasting Standards Authority to regulate this kind of outrageous on-air lying? Why haven't they intervened yet? Where are the relevant regulatory bodies in this? Surely to goodness willfully and knowingly attempting to mislead and harm the education of millions of people must be some sort of crime over there?

There is no such agency in the US. Lying on air is legal - the only recourse is that if a person is lied about they can try to sue for slander, but "the laws of physics" is not a person who can sue. Or if a product is being sold with a lie there are some fraud rules that apply that can be used to sue over, but if the "wronged party" is simply "the truth", and the "product" being sold is a political message then there's nothing that can be legally done when the television station was blatantly lying. Thus why fox news exists.

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 08:22:15 UTC | #859600

mordacious1's Avatar Comment 23 by mordacious1

rjohn

If it makes you feel any better, our high school here in CA is doing the same thing. The school no longer provides textbooks for electives. Unfortunately, most of the science courses (especially the Advanced Placement courses) are considered electives. I just bought my daughter's AP Chemistry text. The teacher bought about a dozen used texts (with her own money) on Amazon, but asked parents to buy them if they could afford them. My beef is that my kid takes only advanced placement classes and I'm paying through the nose for her books and lab supplies. When I got my teaching credential in the 80's, I was told I couldn't even require my students to supply their own pencils. Times have changed, obviously.

And you're right, the sports teams are not hurting. They just got new turf for the football and baseball fields. Perhaps it was paid for by voluntary donations, I'll have to look into that. Maybe the science department needs to have a car wash or a bake sale. We seem to be spending all our money on cruise missiles...

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 08:24:42 UTC | #859601

Metamag's Avatar Comment 24 by Metamag

Comment 6 by Atheist Mike :

Comment 2 by rorymeister :

Their stupidity boggles the mind. They're blatantly wrong and they're allowed to broadcast this rubbish? Why?

Because millions of Americans just can't get enough of this rubbish.

But seriously, why is Fox News allowed to broadcast misinformation and disinformation on a daily basis?

Don't you have a governmental agency that regulates and sanctions such behavior like in any other country?

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 08:31:31 UTC | #859602

thebaldgit's Avatar Comment 25 by thebaldgit

Boy oh Boy where to start, Fox News and Science an oxymoron if i ever saw one and the guy's name? Joe Bastardi, you are having a laff. The problem is that there are no end of stupid people who will take this shit as the gospel truth which i suppose is a truthful irony.

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 08:45:07 UTC | #859605

Stafford Gordon's Avatar Comment 26 by Stafford Gordon

"Love of money is the root of all evil." So says the good book.

As does the giving of money to Murdoch's media outfits, the moralizing needs to stop; don't buy the papers, stop subscribing to his TV outlets. Simple!

That way you can get him by the short and curlies.

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 08:57:09 UTC | #859606

Cartomancer's Avatar Comment 27 by Cartomancer

There is no such agency in the US. Lying on air is legal - the only recourse is that if a person is lied about they can try to sue for slander, but "the laws of physics" is not a person who can sue. Or if a product is being sold with a lie there are some fraud rules that apply that can be used to sue over, but if the "wronged party" is simply "the truth", and the "product" being sold is a political message then there's nothing that can be legally done when the television station was blatantly lying. Thus why fox news exists.

Wow. I had no idea the place was so backward. I had a pretty low opinion of it to start with, but, seriously, no broadcasting standards authorities or regulatory legislation at all? Don't Americans want a decent, accountable, reliable media or something? And if not, why not?

How they have the nerve to pretend to be a civilized, progressive and modern country I haven't the faintest idea.

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:07:12 UTC | #859609

irate_atheist's Avatar Comment 28 by irate_atheist

These fucktards are allowed to breathe the same air as us? How can that be legal?

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:21:18 UTC | #859610

houseofcards's Avatar Comment 29 by houseofcards

Bastardi is an awfully appropriate name.

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:38:47 UTC | #859612

Alan4discussion's Avatar Comment 30 by Alan4discussion

We all knew that Fox were perverse "know-it-all-preaching techno-duffers who can't do science!

Like the ID crowd, they have found some scientific laws which they are too illiterate to read and too uneducated to understand.

1ST LAW OF THERMO-DUMB-MANICS - WATCH BREATHTAKING KNOT-HEADS STREAMING LIVE!

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:40:47 UTC | #859613