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Polesch's Avatar Comment 1 by Polesch

WTF.

Sat, 17 Sep 2011 18:00:53 UTC | #871954

prea66's Avatar Comment 2 by prea66

Soo...all the believers should unite against the nonbelievers? Even though all the different religions think that all the other religions are going to go to their own version of hell? Yah, that makes total sense. Glad we cleared that one up.

Sat, 17 Sep 2011 18:07:17 UTC | #871957

StephenH's Avatar Comment 3 by StephenH

but if they are wrong and people are taken in, it could be disastrous for millions of people.’

Could not have put it better myself, only i'm talking about the religions.

It's already been disastrous.

People are waking up and smelling the coffee, it's getting harder to hook wink them, so this 'stage play' of religion is coming to an end.

Priests and Bishops that dress up in the attire, and do the preaching, but don't actually believe a word of it themselves, so what is this? Acting out a ceremonial ritual, for the gullible masses to soak up like sponges

It's a stage-play, and like all stage-play's, the final curtain has to be brought down.. when all of the audience has left the building.

Sat, 17 Sep 2011 18:12:25 UTC | #871959

Notched's Avatar Comment 4 by Notched

‘At a time when secularism is a threat to the salvation of millions, believers should get together, find what we have in common, and sell that,’ he said.

Wait a second. Don't Christians believe that their own religion is the only way to get salvation? So technically, Judaism or Islam or any other religion should be just as bad, if not worse, than "secularism" (which if I have the definition right, is not incompatible with religion)? If the author will deny this, then he has admitted that other religions might be equally valid as his own and has fundamentally undermined his stantpoint as a Christian. And if he will admit this, then he just invalidated the thesis of his article!

Sat, 17 Sep 2011 18:13:42 UTC | #871960

alf1200's Avatar Comment 5 by alf1200

"Sell that"? Holy Crap! "Combat the threat"? Is this guy a facist?

No free thought or opinion with this guy.

This is exactly the type of "christian" that scares me.

Sat, 17 Sep 2011 18:19:46 UTC | #871961

Metamag's Avatar Comment 6 by Metamag

What a silly idiotic man.

Sat, 17 Sep 2011 18:20:31 UTC | #871962

alf1200's Avatar Comment 7 by alf1200

Hey Noched,....Spiders scare the crap out of me!....I guess they are better then a picture of the pope!

Comment 4 by Notched :

‘At a time when secularism is a threat to the salvation of millions, believers should get together, find what we have in common, and sell that,’ he said.

Wait a second. Don't Christians believe that their own religion is the only way to get salvation? So technically, Judaism or Islam or any other religion should be just as bad, if not worse, than "secularism" (which if I have the definition right, is not incompatible with religion)? If the author will deny this, then he has admitted that other religions might be equally valid as his own and has fundamentally undermined his stantpoint as a Christian. And if he will admit this, then he just invalidated the thesis of his article!

Sat, 17 Sep 2011 18:26:05 UTC | #871965

Layla's Avatar Comment 8 by Layla

I had no idea he was such an idiot. Doesn't surprise me though.

This bit is just brilliant:

He told the Archbishop religious people had given up too much ground to the rationalists. He said: ‘There’s too much apologising – and I’m afraid the English Anglicans are bad at this – for the magic in religion, making concessions on the virgin birth or the resurrection. Don’t give in to them! To applause from the audience, he said: ‘If you believe in God all bets are off. The Red Sea can part. There’s a temptation to give a bit of ground to rationality. But if you believe in God, why shouldn’t there be angels?’

And to applause no less!

They admit they're irrational then.

Sat, 17 Sep 2011 18:28:37 UTC | #871968

achromat666's Avatar Comment 9 by achromat666

Hmm... a couple of Christians (Catholics in this case) are now saying that we as atheist are dangerous because we're turning people away from what is perceived right in the eyes of the church?

Well, they are Christians and that is to be expected. The fact that they are ignoring willfully the facts that science reveals about existence that contradicts faith of course doesn't factor into the argument.

Now that all religions should unite against us? That is hilarious.

This same Catholic church that punished and exiled non believers, pagans, and anyone who worshiped differently from them now wants an audience with the other faiths to unite against the atheist threat? They don't exactly play well with others when it comes to other faiths.

And do what exactly? Have a mass of theistic beliefs get disproven by lack of evidence simultaneously?

This man just sounds like he's pissed because it's not cool to Catholic.

But for the record, I'd love to be in the leather chair having that atheist chat.

Sat, 17 Sep 2011 18:28:57 UTC | #871969

inquisador's Avatar Comment 10 by inquisador

That's OK Frank, I think you're quite cool too. But only because I refuse to link coolness with religion.

Though you sound more agnostic than true believer to me, with those doubts.

My own position has shifted to the furthest end of the atheist scale lately, a bit like Steve Zara; with certainty that there can be no God.

Yet I wonder - If there really is an afterlife, why do you have to die before you go there? The sensible thing for God to do would be to take you while still alive, that would give the rest of us something to think about.

Sat, 17 Sep 2011 18:33:11 UTC | #871971

jameshogg's Avatar Comment 11 by jameshogg

I'm so glad I got over the human race's stupidity. Otherwise I would most likely be ripping my hair from my head right now and spontaneously combusting into flames.

Sat, 17 Sep 2011 18:37:07 UTC | #871974

ZenDruid's Avatar Comment 12 by ZenDruid

Well, I personally am a more dire homeopathic threat to their dead Messiah fan club(s) than all other atheists combined.

So, NYAAAAH!

Sat, 17 Sep 2011 18:43:50 UTC | #871977

nok's Avatar Comment 13 by nok

I'm so relieved to hear Frank come out with this. I thought he had stopped being a comedian years ago. Now I see he was just working on new funny material.

Sat, 17 Sep 2011 18:44:07 UTC | #871978

Tord M's Avatar Comment 14 by Tord M

Dr Williams agreed, saying: ‘The opposite of faith is not doubt but certitude.’

Really? Say something completely ridiculous, perplexing or self contradictory, and people will think it's profound: "I don't understand a word of what he's saying. He must be very wise."

Sat, 17 Sep 2011 18:47:16 UTC | #871979

Corylus's Avatar Comment 15 by Corylus

Frank, if you are worried about global warming then you might consider having a chat with your papal boss ... vis-a-vis strategies for avoiding massive future overpopulation.

For if he is wrong, and people are taken in, it could be disastrous for millions of people.

Sat, 17 Sep 2011 18:49:29 UTC | #871980

silentbutler's Avatar Comment 16 by silentbutler

""At a time when secularism is a threat to the salvation of millions, believers should get together, find what we have in common, and sell that,’ he said""

Just millions eh? He speaks of aloofness and then naively believes that all the worlds religions will suddenly put down their weapons and Bibles; that they so gloriously point at each other, just to "get together" to combat atheism? He's right on one thing. The worlds religions do have one thing in common...They're united over the common burden of proof?

Sat, 17 Sep 2011 18:54:32 UTC | #871983

Peter Grant's Avatar Comment 17 by Peter Grant

Atheists are as big a threat as climate change deniers

Global warming is happening whether we believe it or not, but Armageddon will need believers to make it happen.

Sat, 17 Sep 2011 18:56:02 UTC | #871984

Dhamma's Avatar Comment 18 by Dhamma

Atheist comedian: laughing with

Catholic comedian: laughing at

Sat, 17 Sep 2011 18:56:08 UTC | #871986

Sample's Avatar Comment 19 by Sample

I see myself as a man of doubt. (Frank Skinner)

Interesting. This man does not have a clue about Catholic orthodoxy. Indeed, to say doubt is essentially a core identifying principle (I am a man of doubt), well, those words make him a heretic.

d. Doubts concerning any article of faith should at once be banished from our minds; for if they are voluntary and deliberately consented to, they are grave sins. Willfully to doubt what God has revealed , is to call into question the Divine truthfulness, is really formal heresy, or if it embraces the fundamental truths of faith, apostasy. (Catholic Morality Fr. John Laux, MA A Course in Religion Book III pp. 56-57)

And that the Archbishop of Canterbury did not bring up Cardinal Newman's Apologia pro Vita Sua pp.239 whereby doubt and difficulty are distinguished, is suspicious.

Mike

Sat, 17 Sep 2011 19:06:36 UTC | #871989

mjs31's Avatar Comment 20 by mjs31

Christians say the darndest things.

Sat, 17 Sep 2011 19:09:57 UTC | #871990

Steve Zara's Avatar Comment 21 by Steve Zara

This is the thing about the faithful like Skinner. They have doubt, but they are wearing it backwards. We rationalists have doubts about the very big things: how the universe began for example. We are more sure about the smaller aspects of life, such as that we are made of atoms and that life isn't some miraculous spark. The Faithful do it the other way around. They have strange confidence in how things got started, but will frown on any attempt by a biologist to suggest that they are just material beings.

So, I say this to Skinner - "Doubt - you are doing it wrong! It fits better the other way!"

Sat, 17 Sep 2011 19:13:02 UTC | #871991

Buerggiste's Avatar Comment 22 by Buerggiste

‘At a time when secularism is a threat to the salvation of millions, believers should get together, find what we have in common, and sell that,’

Non-believers are more than ready for either heaven or hell of any kind, if they exist. It would be amusing to see whether those different brands of hypocrites are prepared to dwell in their ‘temporary’ comrade’s hell – exchanging something in common.

Sat, 17 Sep 2011 19:22:55 UTC | #871994

Capt. Bloodeye's Avatar Comment 23 by Capt. Bloodeye

Is he joking?

Sat, 17 Sep 2011 19:29:35 UTC | #871997

Premiseless's Avatar Comment 24 by Premiseless

Can't help but think Frank is milking a subliminal Pascal's wager and enjoying the bets going into his own account!

Sat, 17 Sep 2011 19:46:56 UTC | #872003

Cartomancer's Avatar Comment 25 by Cartomancer

Frank Skinner is a comedian? Isn't it necessary to be, y'know, funny to do that?

Sat, 17 Sep 2011 19:47:16 UTC | #872004

AtheistEgbert's Avatar Comment 26 by AtheistEgbert

I like Frank Skinner, but I find this article just bizarre. I don't think the source is all that reliable either, so what is the point in commenting further.

Sat, 17 Sep 2011 19:52:15 UTC | #872006

kantastisk's Avatar Comment 27 by kantastisk

There’s a temptation to give a bit of ground to rationality. But if you believe in God, why shouldn’t there be angels?

I want schools to have mandatory classes called Basic Logic or something similar.

Sat, 17 Sep 2011 19:57:54 UTC | #872007

Michael Fisher's Avatar Comment 28 by Michael Fisher

He's right about atheism being the new cool. It's like a badge that a certain type of snarky celebrity will wear to gain distinction from the crowd ~ you can spot it when you look at the rest of their lives & find that they harbour irrational beliefs about just about everything else. Atheism is (for me) part of a world view that requires me to examine everything anew ~ not a badge

I feel sorry for Skinner ~ he's notably hard on himself & a pretty honest guy ~ with some huge blind spots

Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:04:16 UTC | #872012

petengeth's Avatar Comment 29 by petengeth

I never thought he was funny..........................

Until now.

Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:09:13 UTC | #872013

xsjadolateralus's Avatar Comment 30 by xsjadolateralus

No, dipshit. Atheists are the extreme doubters. Not those with no doubt, like fundamentalists!

As if you had the doubters (regular religious people) and then the extreme non-doubters (non-skeptics) and those are both atheists (those who are most skeptic and doubt religion the most) and then religious fundamentalists (Those who don't doubt religion at all). YEAH, the more religious you are the less doubtful you are about your own religion, but just casually accepting the tenets means you're more doubtful than those, who reject it altogether? Hrmmmm, care to explain?????

Again, more Orwellian double speak/think. Can religious people be more 1984? There's a book he can read, like the cool kids. Read some Orwell, then you might understand a little of your own religion better.

A Catholic comedian????? That's an oxymoron. Most of the world's obvious comedic material is material dealing with how idiotic and funny Catholics are....

It's incredible that this is an actual article. It kept seeming like there was going to be a punchline toward then end..... Then there wasn't.

Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:18:27 UTC | #872018