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Schrodinger's Cat's Avatar Comment 1 by Schrodinger's Cat

What is it with religions and beards ? Or hair of any sort for that matter. The idea that a God who presides over entire clusters of galaxies and aeons of time gives a toss what length anyone's follicular protrusions are has to be the wackiest thing anyone ever thought up.

Fri, 07 Oct 2011 14:52:03 UTC | #878747

Atheist Mike's Avatar Comment 2 by Atheist Mike

It just goes to show how ridiculous religious conflicts can be. Luckily this isn't in the middle east, they'd cut off heads instead of hair if it were.

Fri, 07 Oct 2011 14:53:52 UTC | #878748

wisnoskij's Avatar Comment 3 by wisnoskij

What a strange thing to happen.

Fri, 07 Oct 2011 14:54:13 UTC | #878749

RationalistOne's Avatar Comment 4 by RationalistOne

Often ''an apparent feud over spiritual differences' can arise over differences of arcane minutia of some aspect of theological doctrine but this time it's literally can be described as splitting hairs.

Fri, 07 Oct 2011 14:54:42 UTC | #878750

Hellboy2's Avatar Comment 5 by Hellboy2

LOL.....The getaway vehicle was a truck and horse trailer!!!? Hardly, 'gone in 60 seconds' is it? Just highlights the primitiveness of mentality in these clowns.

Fri, 07 Oct 2011 15:00:17 UTC | #878752

irate_atheist's Avatar Comment 6 by irate_atheist

wtf?

Fri, 07 Oct 2011 15:04:44 UTC | #878753

Sjoerd Westenborg's Avatar Comment 7 by Sjoerd Westenborg

The Onion, right? Come on!

Fri, 07 Oct 2011 15:08:09 UTC | #878754

ZenDruid's Avatar Comment 8 by ZenDruid

Amish Taliban?

Fri, 07 Oct 2011 15:09:24 UTC | #878755

drumdaddy's Avatar Comment 9 by drumdaddy

This has to be a ruse. Come on, "bishop Sam Mullet"? The whole story must be bald-faced lie, at least I hope so as we wouldn't want this to spiral down to guerrilla nail-clipping and forced tooth brushing. Look, you can't condemn a religion based on the illegal acts of a few members who have lost perspective along with their senses of decency. No, we must only condemn a religion based on its fictional dogma or its exploitive maliciousness.

Fri, 07 Oct 2011 15:10:17 UTC | #878756

Robert Howard's Avatar Comment 10 by Robert Howard

Comment 1 by Schrodinger's Cat :

What is it with religions and beards ? Or hair of any sort for that matter. The idea that a God who presides over entire clusters of galaxies and aeons of time gives a toss what length anyone's follicular protrusions are has to be the wackiest thing anyone ever thought up.

I would imagine it probably has a lot to do with our species' history of waging war with each other and being able instantly to identify the enemy. If you know that the guys who are coming to kill you are full-bearded, it would make sense to have everyone on your side be clean-shaven. Making it a commandment from whatever deity your troops happen to worship is the logical way to accomplish this, especially if your men are, ahem, attached to their face furniture.

Fri, 07 Oct 2011 15:18:12 UTC | #878758

Anonymous's Avatar Comment 11 by Anonymous

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Fri, 07 Oct 2011 15:18:23 UTC | #878759

Sjoerd Westenborg's Avatar Comment 12 by Sjoerd Westenborg

There's a line, Anonymous.

Fri, 07 Oct 2011 15:24:09 UTC | #878760

Sample's Avatar Comment 13 by Sample

Too easy.

Did the assailants double the insult by using electric clippers? Questions, questions.

Mike

Official line: I don't condone violence, even the sticks and stones variety.

Fri, 07 Oct 2011 15:26:06 UTC | #878761

Tryphon Tournesol's Avatar Comment 14 by Tryphon Tournesol

Comment 11 by Anonymous :

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That's always better than having your beard removed by a moderator.

Fri, 07 Oct 2011 15:41:38 UTC | #878764

ShesTheBeth's Avatar Comment 15 by ShesTheBeth

...but... why?

Fri, 07 Oct 2011 15:44:09 UTC | #878766

blitz442's Avatar Comment 16 by blitz442

First thought was, "Onion article?"

I guess they aren't using electric razors to cut those beards off.

Fri, 07 Oct 2011 15:52:51 UTC | #878768

strangebrew's Avatar Comment 17 by strangebrew

Beeb blurb...

A 57-year-old woman in Trumbull County told police her sons and a son-in-law had cut her hair and her husband's beard last month. She claimed the estranged family members were involved in a cult.

No really...oh say it ain't so...how is that possible!

The feud is thought to involve 18 Amish families, most of whom are said to be related by blood.

Ahh!..could be a clue!

Come across a new one...'Amish on Amish'...not exactly 'blue on blue' but there ya go!

Fri, 07 Oct 2011 15:53:48 UTC | #878769

mirandaceleste's Avatar Comment 18 by mirandaceleste

Comment 1 by Schrodinger's Cat :

What is it with religions and beards ? Or hair of any sort for that matter. The idea that a God who presides over entire clusters of galaxies and aeons of time gives a toss what length anyone's follicular protrusions are has to be the wackiest thing anyone ever thought up.

I think a lot of it has to do with conforming to traditional gender roles and/or trying to tame/control women's sexuality/sexual attractiveness. Long hair is often seen as sexually attractive (not just in religious cultures, of course), probably because it's an unconscious indicator of reproductive fitness, or something similar. So, I suppose the idea is that a woman who has long hair has too much power (through her sex appeal), must be trying to entice men, and/or is too tempting to men, and thus must cover her hair in order to not give the men naughty thoughts (as those are only for heathens, of course), or something like that.

Orthodox Jews believe that a passage from the Torah requires men to have side locks/payot and untrimmed beards. Also, in Orthodox Judaism (and in other religions, although I can't think of the exact ones at the moment), married women must keep their hair covered, presumably in an attempt to hide their sexual attractiveness/indicate to the world that they are already taken/"owned" by someone? I don't know for sure.

More relevant to this case, I think that unmarried Amish men can trim their birds, but married men must let them grow. Similarly, the women never cut their hair, and, similar to Orthodox Jewish women, hide it when in public. I can't remember for sure whether or not this rule also applies to unmarried Amish women, but I think it does, as young Amish girls often cover their hair. Perhaps it's optional for unmarried women.

And from the linked San Francisco Chronicle article:

It's common practice for married Amish men to have beards, said Donald Kraybill, a professor at Elizabethtown College and an expert on Amish life.

"Likewise, women do not cut their hair based on biblical teaching," he said in an e-mail.

And on the story in general, I second the "WTF??"

Also, that dude in the picture is straight-up gangsta.

Fri, 07 Oct 2011 16:01:08 UTC | #878772

Corylus's Avatar Comment 19 by Corylus

Enforced head and face shaving is about desexualisation and infantilisation.

More commonly it is women who are victims of this sort of thing, but it is not unknown as a punishment for males. Think Samson ... "if I be shaven, then my strength will go from me, and I shall become weak, and be like any other man."

One very obvious sign of a sexually mature male is the presence of facial hair, by stripping him of this, these people are attempting to strip him of his sense of masculinity. In patriarchal societies ways of expressing masculinity are often surprising limited for the standard males and restricted instead to the alphas. Sometimes a beard is all a guy can have. It seems that our Mr Mullet wants very badly indeed to be top dog.

The group refers to itself as part of the Bergholz clan, a nearby Amish community led by bishop Sam Mullet, which was the subject of a disputed child custody raid in 2007 amid allegations of sexual abuse.

Very, very worrying that one. Shades of Koresh. I would lay money on the man being just as (if not more) violent with his own.

Fri, 07 Oct 2011 16:03:41 UTC | #878773

crookedshoes's Avatar Comment 20 by crookedshoes

I heard that they also styled the hair after they cut it. Oh, and free manicures if you are willing to throw a bunch of carrots to the horse. GAS MONEY for the getaway vehicle!

Fri, 07 Oct 2011 16:16:18 UTC | #878778

Vorlund's Avatar Comment 21 by Vorlund

The old geezer in the photo looks like he was dragged out of his house by his beard.

The Amish are there own worst enemies, they don't educate their kids beyond eigth grade, no wonder their communities differ on the width of hat brims and colours of buggies they've got sod all else of any consequence to argue about.

Fri, 07 Oct 2011 16:39:28 UTC | #878783

Jumped Up Chimpanzee's Avatar Comment 22 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee

Comment 1 by Schrodinger's Cat

What is it with religions and beards ? Or hair of any sort for that matter. The idea that a God who presides over entire clusters of galaxies and aeons of time gives a toss what length anyone's follicular protrusions are has to be the wackiest thing anyone ever thought up.

It probably started out of superstition. Some hapless guy who happened not to have a beard did something bad, or lost all his money, or fell ill, or his ox fell ill, or he was sick of the palsy (who wouldn't be, it must be a real drag), and so his community decided that his downfall must all be a result of his not having a beard. Sounds reasonable to me.

Fri, 07 Oct 2011 16:46:31 UTC | #878785

Chris Roberts's Avatar Comment 23 by Chris Roberts

Comment 16 by blitz442

First thought was, "Onion article?"

Me too.

Especially the last bit:

The gang's alleged getaway vehicle - a truck and horse trailer - was searched for evidence by police in Jefferson County.

Lol

Fri, 07 Oct 2011 16:51:47 UTC | #878786

crookedshoes's Avatar Comment 24 by crookedshoes

Shaving was probably dangerous. Infection could kill you. Imagine getting a straight razor shave with a bowl of dirty water. I always think religious forbidden stuff has origins in danger -- look at shellfish and pork consumption for example.

Fri, 07 Oct 2011 16:56:41 UTC | #878788

TeraBrat's Avatar Comment 25 by TeraBrat

The Amish don't drive trucks. This is a set up.

I've been in Amish country. They are good people. A little on the crazy side in some ways, but, who isn't? They are peaceful and law abiding. I really have a hard time believeing they are behind this.

Fri, 07 Oct 2011 17:02:09 UTC | #878791

Mr DArcy's Avatar Comment 26 by Mr DArcy

Miranda C 18 above:

Also, that dude in the picture is straight-up gangsta.

Hmm? I'm not sure about that. He reminds me more of Clint Eastwood playing the man with no name in the spaghetti westerns. "Don't forget the heart Ramon, aim for the heart". (Or something like that). And we all know that Clint never shot first, the other guy always had a chance, - in this case to shave first!

Fri, 07 Oct 2011 17:05:40 UTC | #878793

Mr DArcy's Avatar Comment 27 by Mr DArcy

Sorry I couldn't resist.

I'm fed up with these religious hairy stories!

(Runs for cover stage left.)

Fri, 07 Oct 2011 17:08:01 UTC | #878794

TeraBrat's Avatar Comment 28 by TeraBrat

Also, in Orthodox Judaism (and in other religions, although I can't think of the exact ones at the moment), married women must keep their hair covered, presumably in an attempt to hide their sexual attractiveness/indicate to the world that they are already taken/"owned" by someone? I don't know for sure. More relevant to this case, I think that unmarried Amish men can trim their birds, but married men must let them grow. Similarly, the women never cut their hair, and, similar to Orthodox Jewish women, hide it when in public. I can't remember for sure whether or not this rule also applies to unmarried Amish women, but I think it does, as young Amish girls often cover their hair. Perhaps it's optional for unmarried women.

Since I was raised Orthdox Jewish I'll help you out here. All Orthodox Jewish women cover their hair. It's a tradition, scripture only requires that the hair be tied or bound, and even that is an inference. There's nothing specific in scripture that says a woman has to do anything with her hair. The beard and locks for men are specifically mentioned in scripture. Hair covering for women was explained to me as "you should keep your natural beauty for your husband". I find that explanation quite "romantic". I also find it assinine that those women go and chop off all their hair buy expensive, beautiful wigs, and look 1000 times better out in public than when they are alone with their husbands. It really defeats the purpose IMO.

Fri, 07 Oct 2011 17:15:50 UTC | #878796

mirandaceleste's Avatar Comment 29 by mirandaceleste

Comment 26 by Mr DArcy :

Miranda C 18 above:

Also, that dude in the picture is straight-up gangsta.

Hmm? I'm not sure about that. He reminds me more of Clint Eastwood playing the man with no name in the spaghetti westerns. "Don't forget the heart Ramon, aim for the heart". (Or something like that). And we all know that Clint never shot first, the other guy always had a chance, - in this case to shave first!

I was just being silly/sarcastic. But yeah, your comparison is actually quite apt!

Fri, 07 Oct 2011 17:16:17 UTC | #878797

Schrodinger's Cat's Avatar Comment 30 by Schrodinger's Cat

I think it's all a ruse for ZZ top's comeback tour........and here's the real getaway vehicle.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi_ser2_Xm4

Fri, 07 Oct 2011 17:19:19 UTC | #878799