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Kantian's Avatar Comment 1 by Kantian

Seth Faircloth recently wrote and posted on this site a somewhat flowery essay about how Dawkins being thrown out of a country club represents an assault on freedom of expression.

Well what about this fire-bombing? What is this saying?

I wonder if the likes of Seth Faircloth will be as energized by this fire-bombing as they were by Dawkins being thrown out of a country club.

Wed, 02 Nov 2011 22:02:44 UTC | #886600

Melissa's Avatar Comment 2 by Melissa

I disagree with the editor Mr Charb, who claims that the attackers "are themselves unbelievers...idiots who betray their own religion". Quite the opposite, they are probably very pious Muslims and are doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing according to their "holy" book.

Wed, 02 Nov 2011 22:08:29 UTC | #886602

alaskansee's Avatar Comment 3 by alaskansee

@2 agreed, the best of the best.

Wed, 02 Nov 2011 22:10:54 UTC | #886603

I Deny's Avatar Comment 4 by I Deny

It seems that the French editor warped the already annoying term "extremist" into "unbeliever".

Wed, 02 Nov 2011 22:21:10 UTC | #886608

Peter Grant's Avatar Comment 5 by Peter Grant

Could French rdfrs please provide an English translation of the satirical piece in question, I want it to go viral.

Wed, 02 Nov 2011 22:28:20 UTC | #886610

aquilacane's Avatar Comment 6 by aquilacane

@ 2,3,4

The editor is getting their goat. He's calling them the worst thing you can, a nonbeliever. By their own religion, he's calling them fit to be killed. It's like calling the biggest, toughest, manliest guy on the football team gay because it is the furthest thing from the image he is trying to portray, it is the greatest insult. I would expect calling an overly flamboyant homosexual a boring hetero would have the same effect.

Wed, 02 Nov 2011 22:33:57 UTC | #886614

phil rimmer's Avatar Comment 7 by phil rimmer

His comment that they are not true believers is either

a) a simple insult

b) a goad to get them to respond and go on record stating theirs was indeed the work of true Muslims

c) an encouragement to the notoriously silent moderate muslims to disown them publicly.

d) all of the above.

Wed, 02 Nov 2011 22:50:57 UTC | #886619

Neodarwinian's Avatar Comment 8 by Neodarwinian

@ aquilacane

" Radical stupid people who don't know what Islam is. "

More goat getting? On the other hand I think firebombing is quite a bit, though not all. of what islam is.

Wed, 02 Nov 2011 22:52:11 UTC | #886622

pagan4's Avatar Comment 9 by pagan4

Beside the silly formulation of the French editor, it is absolutely scary to watch the ongoing expansion of reactionary theocratic islam in Europe. Any word of criticism is extremely attacked by ultra political correct left wing "intellectuals" who will try to defame you as an racist and of course by the followers of the "religion of peace" theme selfs, including death threats. In my opinion this is much more dangerous than the softened European Christianity (of course one have to criticize also that). Especially "apostates" need much courage and I think that secular people must support those brave Ex-Muslims, campaigner for women's rights in muslim societies, liberal Arabic intellectuals and so on. Here in Germany the biggest secular organization - the Giordano Bruno foundation - helped to launch the Council of Ex-Muslims. I don't know how the situation is in the USA today but the situation in Great Britain seems to be even more frightening than in Germany.

Wed, 02 Nov 2011 22:55:46 UTC | #886624

Anonymous's Avatar Comment 10 by Anonymous

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Wed, 02 Nov 2011 22:57:08 UTC | #886625

Cartomancer's Avatar Comment 11 by Cartomancer

Seth Faircloth recently wrote and posted on this site a somewhat flowery essay about how Dawkins being thrown out of a country club represents an assault on freedom of expression.

Well what about this fire-bombing? What is this saying?

I wonder if the likes of Seth Faircloth will be as energized by this fire-bombing as they were by Dawkins being thrown out of a country club.

For a start it's Sean Faircloth. Which is not a difficult thing to check, especially if you have taken the time to actually read the man's essay.

But it is a very low thing indeed to insinuate that people like Mr. Faircloth would not condemn this kind of behaviour with just as much intensity as they condemn an attempt to silence Richard. It is entirely possible for more than one thing to be an attack on freedom of expression you know. Furthermore, Mr. Faircloth is the strategy director for RDFRS USA, so it's really a part of his job to comment on public attempts to silence Richard and point out why they matter. And nowhere has he ever said that refusing someone a platform because of their position of religious issues and attempting to firebomb the offices of a newspaper are equally bad. But just because there are worse things out there, that doesn't mean we shouldn't get agitated by less bad but still unacceptable ones. I believe it was one of Mr. Faircloth's central points that it is precisely arguments (or, more accurately, insinuations) of the nature of your comment that hold back the fight for the cultural equality of American atheists. It's this very "oh stop complaining, you're only being silenced, some people are being bombed" attitude that perpetuates the low-level prejudice and allows it to go unchecked.

Wed, 02 Nov 2011 23:04:39 UTC | #886626

Melissa's Avatar Comment 12 by Melissa

branding them as "non believers" is wrong as it protects Islam in general from criticism. They should be portrayed for what they are: religious nutters who are prepared to kill and to die because they are absolutely convinced that that is their mission in life in order to please Allah and go to heaven.

Wed, 02 Nov 2011 23:10:12 UTC | #886627

Richard Dawkins's Avatar Comment 13 by Richard Dawkins

I wonder if the likes of Seth Faircloth will be as energized by this fire-bombing as they were by Dawkins being thrown out of a country club.

Yes, I would expect more so. Why would you doubt it? What nasty, mean-spirited little point are you trying to insinuate? (Sean, by the way, not Seth).

Richard

Wed, 02 Nov 2011 23:21:35 UTC | #886628

some asshole's Avatar Comment 14 by some asshole

"Religious nutters"

Please stop wasting storage space with redundancies.

I wish all such nutters would hurry up and commit suicide (without dragging us along, thank you) and meet their maker, leaving us normal people the hell alone.

Wed, 02 Nov 2011 23:22:35 UTC | #886629

Border Collie's Avatar Comment 15 by Border Collie

Sorry, no, those who did this are perfect little Muslims.

Wed, 02 Nov 2011 23:23:41 UTC | #886630

Tyler Durden's Avatar Comment 16 by Tyler Durden

Comment 1 by Kantian :

Well what about this fire-bombing? What is this saying?

Our faith is so weak that we must resort to mindless violence in order to make our point. Just a guess.

Wed, 02 Nov 2011 23:27:14 UTC | #886631

Linda Ward's Avatar Comment 17 by Linda Ward

Wed, 02 Nov 2011 23:38:40 UTC | #886634

Crazycharlie's Avatar Comment 18 by Crazycharlie

Kantian@ #1.

A few days ago you were defending William L. Criag. Now you're making obnoxious comments in this thread. You're an obvious troll. Move along.

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 00:35:34 UTC | #886647

-TheCodeCrack-'s Avatar Comment 19 by -TheCodeCrack-

I"m really confused. Why would members from the religion of peace bomb anything?

I'm so confused..

Islam stresses tolerance of pictures of prophet mo, homosexual rights, the rights of women, and the atheists.

It's so strange. I simply cannot fathom what possibly could of motivated them to blow up a chunk of democratic expression?

They must of had a newspaper delivered to them wet.

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 01:33:56 UTC | #886661

A. R's Avatar Comment 20 by A. R

Yet another example of Islamic intolerance and backwardness. Seems like there's an new one every day here.

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 01:34:26 UTC | #886662

-TheCodeCrack-'s Avatar Comment 21 by -TheCodeCrack-

Of course, I'm being sarcastic in the post #19. Just in case that was missed.

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 01:35:06 UTC | #886663

loqueelviento's Avatar Comment 22 by loqueelviento

19: They are bombing for peace and fucking for virginity. It is quite common actually.

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 01:47:28 UTC | #886669

Andrew B.'s Avatar Comment 23 by Andrew B.

Comment 13 by Richard Dawkins :

I wonder if the likes of Seth Faircloth will be as energized by this fire-bombing as they were by Dawkins being thrown out of a country club.

Yes, I would expect more so. Why would you doubt it? What nasty, mean-spirited little point are you trying to insinuate? (Sean, by the way, not Seth).

Richard

Presumably he means to repeat the tired suggestion that our criticism is focused only Christianity and not Islam.

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 02:30:05 UTC | #886677

UGAtheist's Avatar Comment 24 by UGAtheist

His comment that they are not true believers is eithera) a simple insultb) a goad to get them to respond and go on record stating theirs was indeed the work of true Muslimsc) an encouragement to the notoriously silent moderate muslims to disown them publicly.d) all of the above.

Fucking brilliant!

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 02:35:01 UTC | #886679

-TheCodeCrack-'s Avatar Comment 25 by -TheCodeCrack-

The comment that they are 'not true believers' is actually an insult to everyone on this board. I'm not a true believer either. Is he suggesting that true believers don't commit these acts? Only non true believers? Only non-believers?

Save it.

The only people who would commit the above act are the ones who absolutely totally follow Islam.

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 03:08:31 UTC | #886688

Atheist Mike's Avatar Comment 26 by Atheist Mike

The furry mic looks like a rabbit.

Oh and yes, muslims again. Their Jihad seems to be going well.

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 03:09:26 UTC | #886689

aquilacane's Avatar Comment 27 by aquilacane

Comment 8 by Neodarwinian @ aquilacane

" Radical stupid people who don't know what Islam is. "

More goat getting? On the other hand I think firebombing is quite a bit, though not all. of what islam is.

I guess any religion that permits murder for silly gestures or lack of faith is capable of permitting firebombing. Why not? They know what Islam asks for.

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 04:53:22 UTC | #886702

Karen Hill Anton's Avatar Comment 28 by Karen Hill Anton

I think it would be great if they could raise contributions, fast, -- rebuild, and carry on with their work/satire.

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 06:46:52 UTC | #886719

PERSON's Avatar Comment 29 by PERSON

I hope the police catch the perpetrators. I'd like to know who did it. It's quite possible that it was am attack by radical Muslims. It's also possible it was an attack by radical right-wingers to increase hatred of Muslims; if so, they seem to have succeeded.

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 08:58:28 UTC | #886745

Vorlund's Avatar Comment 30 by Vorlund

Islam is a peaceful religion and anyone who says the contrary will be threatened with and subjected to violence by one of its perfectly rational adherents who is only doing what Allah expects him to do. If he fails to comply with the will of Allah he will also suffer a terrible doom!

This is the work of true muslims who follow the perfected word of Allah without question and to the letter. Moderates who pick and choose among the Surah and don't make the right proficiations are already in deep shit with Allah for he has prepared a terrible doom for them.

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 09:01:58 UTC | #886746