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Stafford Gordon's Avatar Comment 31 by Stafford Gordon

Any word from their leaders yet?

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 09:02:22 UTC | #886747

Richard Dawkins's Avatar Comment 32 by Richard Dawkins

He blamed 'radical stupid people who don't know what Islam is,'

They are certainly stupid, but they know exactly what Islam is. Islam is the religion that wins arguments by killing its opponents and crying 'Islamophobia' at anyone who objects.

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 09:28:18 UTC | #886756

jpgj's Avatar Comment 33 by jpgj

A few comments on Paris and Charlie-hebdo.

Last week there was a disturbance when some extreme Catholics tried to disrupt a play in Paris figuring Jesus, with some minor violence (but no arson), and the French radio stations seem to think that religious bigotry in general is becoming fashionable this season.

As for Charlie-Hebdo, it's a satirical and rather left leaning weekly that's been around since the '60s anv was once banned by the French government for making fun of Gen. De Gaulle's demise( = Blasphemy against Hero Politician...) and changed its name to continue publishing.

Since then it has ridiculed all things worthy of ridicule and most especially racist french attitudes towards North-Africans, and blacks, and Muslims be they official or private (by no stretch of the imagination could it be labelled "islamophobic" and most French Muslims (who's organizations have denounced the attack en masse) know this. And probably realize that if more and more Muslim weirdos have come up for ridicule in it's pages, it's because they fully earned it, by acting weird...

As things stand CH's only intervention in the Mohammed cartoon business were a republishing of the Danish Cartoons with a cover page cartoon of their own showing a distraught Mo going " bou...hou...hou... I's so tough to be worshipped by so many jerks" (no major Muslim comlaints were heard in France), and the more recent inviting Mo as special editor for an issue commenting on Tunisian elections and Lybia's sharia laws, that led to a fire bombing.

It will be interesting to see if the cops get the culprits and how the North-African french public reacts. It is faintly possible the crazies may have shot themselves in the foot on this one (hopfully).

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 09:58:42 UTC | #886760

RomeStu's Avatar Comment 34 by RomeStu

Comment 17 by Linda Ward :

Click here to see the offensive magazine cover.

Now that is scary.

Thanks for the link Linda.

For the non French speakers out there the cover blurb has mohammed promising "100 lashes if you don't die laughing" at this issue.

Following some of the comments above, I too feel that the firebombers have slightly shot themselves in the foot, as Charlie Hebdo, while mocking anything and everything (kind of like Private Eye), has always been fully on the left, and has often highlighted the racism and anti-muslim bias prevalent in much of France.

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 11:33:03 UTC | #886790

SaganTheCat's Avatar Comment 35 by SaganTheCat

it is a concern that still many people will take the view that while the fire bombing is not justified, they should have known better.

not publishing a picture of a man in a turban (which i think is the most detailed description of mohammed available), is easy. so if it's so easy why bring this on your own head?

similar arguments were used during apartheid as well as of course the case of salman rushtie. don't rock the boat, it's best for everybody.

it really is high time ordinary people, regardless of their respect for religion should be standing up and saying "no we will absolutely not pander to your silly little rules"

i hope more papers do the same in future, i hope more would be bombers are stopped and tried as the social outcasts they are and the sooner we can move on from a place where even Channel 4 and Comedy Central have decided to "play it safe"

a picture of a man, with the slightest suggestion it may represent a prophet sets them off. naming a teddy bear after a child who shares a name with a prophet sets them off (i'm not sure what happens in muslim family weddings, i assume there's an awkward moment when everyone called mohammed has to decide what to do when the pictures are taken). have we not reached a point where as a free society we should as one be saying (excuse my french) "oh fuck off"

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 11:37:50 UTC | #886793

Ornicar's Avatar Comment 36 by Ornicar

Remember that Charlie Hebo, apart from being an ultra-left satirical newspaper not always that funny, is also a trully atheist newspaper, and has been sued 9 times by christian fundamentalist organisations, but only once by muslim groups and that was for being the only french newspaper to publish a copy of the danish cartoons of Mahomet.

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 12:46:35 UTC | #886824

PrayForMe's Avatar Comment 37 by PrayForMe

@Daniel

I couldn't agree more. Anybody who has the ability to translate the cartoon into English to enhance its virality, please do.

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 12:50:12 UTC | #886826

Ignorant Amos's Avatar Comment 38 by Ignorant Amos

Comment 37 by PrayForMe

Anybody who has the ability to translate the cartoon into English to enhance its virality, please do.

Google translate, but ya can get the jest.....

Charlie wants to spoof his "Sharia Hebdo", with Muhammad as editor ...
Posted by Toki October 31, 2011 at 20:24
The French satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo decided to "celebrate the victory" of Ennahdha in its own way, that is so ironic, bordering on black humor and provocation. Thus according to a statement, taken by AFP, the weekly satirical announced it was changing its name to its next issue to be published Wednesday, November 2, becoming ... "Sharia Weekly."
But where the provocation could turn to blasphemy to some, is when the statement adds "(...) Charlie Hebdo suggested to Muhammad to be the editor of Exceptional its next issue. The prophet of Islam did not pray for acceptance and we thank him. "
The front of the weekly is obviously happy with Muhammad saying, "100 lashes, if you do not die laughing!". Also according to the AFP, in the newspaper, "there is the" editorial of Muhammad "entitled" Halal drink ", a double page of drawings to explain" soft sharia "or extra" Sharia Madame " . In the final page, "the covers which you escaped," a drawing of Muhammad with a red clown nose and the phrase: "Yes, Islam is compatible with humor. '"
The designer and director of the publication of Charlie Hebdo, Charbit, saw no more of a challenge for him but the team "does its job as usual" ...
This issue and this a blasphemous provocation to many Muslims, whether extremist or moderate, may lead the new satirical weekly in court. In February 2006, he had published cartoons of the Prophet Mohamed "considered offensive by Islamic organizations." But the newspaper was shut out by the Paris Criminal Court.
What will happen to the reaction of Muslims in France, Tunisia and Ennahdha members who are covered by the weekly? What will the reaction of those who advocate freedom of speech a few weeks of events that followed the release of Iranian film "Persepolis"?

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 13:01:08 UTC | #886830

Ornicar's Avatar Comment 39 by Ornicar

Here are some cartoons about it, drawn by Cartooning For Peace

http://www.lemonde.fr/actualite-medias/infographe/2011/11/03/l-incendie-de-charlie-hebdo-croque-par-cartooning-for-peace_1597779_3236.html#ens_id=1597236

Subtitles :

1 - I don't believe in God but Allah scares me. 2- Stop publishing your hebdo ( = weekly) every day (striked out) month (stricked out)... all the time 3 - Violent ? Me ? 4 - Still hot ! Just came out ! 5 - Who did set Charlie Hebdo on fire ? - What ?

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 13:21:29 UTC | #886835

MarkOnTheRiver's Avatar Comment 40 by MarkOnTheRiver

Comment 29 by PERSON :

It's quite possible that it was am attack by radical Muslims. It's also possible it was an attack by radical right-wingers to increase hatred of Muslims;

Without wishing to pre judge the facts, given islam's sociopathic reactions to any perceived slight, I'm initially inclined to apply a judicious slash of Occam's Razor to the involvement of a right-wing, anti-islamic conspiracy.

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 13:42:21 UTC | #886850

PrayForMe's Avatar Comment 41 by PrayForMe

We don't believe in your stupid rules. We don't believe in your prophet. Let it all go; it's fine. Let go of all that pointless, idiotic anger. Stop bombing and shooting. Think about it. Freedom is waiting for you to enjoy as soon as your ready. I'm going for a beer now. Cheers.

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 13:44:32 UTC | #886852

achromat666's Avatar Comment 42 by achromat666

Hmm... I have this distinct feeling of deja vu... where have I seen such a headline in the recent past.....

Ah perhaps the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy is what comes to mind.

Perhaps a letter is in order....

Dear people willing to kill for a religion of peace,

Let's see if we can clear a few things up. Infringing on the freedom of people that do not share your religious views is not a particularly good way of demonstrating goodwill if you want your ideas to be tolerated or taken as anything but dangerous and extremist. It may sit just fine with your beliefs, but a great many people in the world as it turns out, do not worship allah.

These sorts of actions will not make you appear stronger, it will in fact help to reinforce the negative ideas many already have about your faith. If you truly believe that your faith is both strong and true surely you can demonstrate this without resorting to murdering everyone who disargee with the key tenets of your faith.

If you are truly a faith of peace, you should have no trouble being peacful in your dialogue with the rest of the world.

Sincerely,

The rest of the world.

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 14:36:29 UTC | #886884

woefulb's Avatar Comment 43 by woefulb

For those in our midst who have been saying that we should not be dicks- really? Who are the ones being dicks?

We cannot even come close to the level of dickishness required to match this nonsense. And we cannot be vocal enough, condescending enough, and heap ridicule enough to those whose stupidity and delusions continue to negatively affect us all.

We are way beyond the point of tolerance for this bullshit. Enough!

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 16:39:05 UTC | #886954

Sean the Sorcerer's Avatar Comment 44 by Sean the Sorcerer

Who didn’t see this coming? When your leading intellectuals expend so much energy deconstructing the foundations of your civilization, it shouldn’t come as a surprise when it collapses from within and without. What I see in places like France and the UK today are collapsing civilizations. Nature abhors a power vacuum, and the ideological power vacuum of modern western Europe created by the deconstructionists and postmodernists (most of whom seem to be French) is a sitting duck for aggressive ideologies like Islam.

I think there’s an important lesson here for atheists: if you’re going to tear down your society’s leading religious institutions, you need to replace them with something at least as powerful, or all you are doing is contributing to your own ruin!

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 16:48:26 UTC | #886964

drumdaddy's Avatar Comment 45 by drumdaddy

It is time to educate the millions of followers of the false prophet, Muhammed, and bring them out of the middle ages. Violence is horrendous. Violence in honor of a fantasy is just cause for elimination from civilized society.

Down with Islam, once and for all.

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 16:48:41 UTC | #886965

Bipedal Primate's Avatar Comment 46 by Bipedal Primate

Comment 23 by Andrew B. :

Comment 13 by Richard Dawkins :

I wonder if the likes of Seth Faircloth will be as energized by this fire-bombing as they were by Dawkins being thrown out of a country club.

Yes, I would expect more so. Why would you doubt it? What nasty, mean-spirited little point are you trying to insinuate? (Sean, by the way, not Seth).

Richard

Presumably he means to repeat the tired suggestion that our criticism is focused only Christianity and not Islam.

I don't care for comment #1 about Sean Faircloth, but I strongly object to Andrew B.'s use of "tired suggestion" and so forth. It's not a tired suggestion that few public figures dares to call out this desert plague and rip it a new one, it's very much a real problem.

Mr. Jesus was mostly a prophet of peace, but Mr. Mo was far from it, and there are still a staggering numbers of atheists and so-called "humanists" who think Islam has been hi-jacked by a few radical "extremists", whatever that's supposed to mean. I also don't think we can win this battle if we keep referring to it as "religion", instead of what it really looks and behaves like; a political movement and a totalitarian ideology similar to Naziism and Stalinism.

It needs to be officially redefined, and that's where our efforts should be focused, by atheists, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists alike. It's Islam against everyone else, and the stealth jihadists are masters of psychological warfare and good old "divide and conquer". Even better than "political ideology" would be that it is simply a state. If you're used to thinking of "state" as equivalent to "nation state" this might sound weird, but if you take a look at the definitions available, you'll see that it fits very well indeed.

I'll just keep repeating this point everywhere from now on, until all of you submit to the will of The Bipedal Primate...

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 16:51:53 UTC | #886968

Bipedal Primate's Avatar Comment 47 by Bipedal Primate

Comment 32 by Richard Dawkins :

He blamed 'radical stupid people who don't know what Islam is,'

They are certainly stupid, but they know exactly what Islam is. Islam is the religion that wins arguments by killing its opponents and crying 'Islamophobia' at anyone who objects.

Speaking of irrational fear: I think there is a kind of islamophobia that is a very real kind of phobia and that is simply the fear of facts about Islam. 'Islam-o-fact-o-phobia' is what I call it. Not too catchy, perhaps, but it sorta fits in my opinion.

Anyone who hasn't read the Qur'an has no excuse not to do so. I've read it myself, but I also signed this here pledge today: http://www.takethepledgereadthequran.com/

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 17:14:22 UTC | #886980

BroughtyBoy's Avatar Comment 48 by BroughtyBoy

Radical stupid people indeed. Profoundly stupid people. People so stupid they have little or no grasp of humanity and what it means to be alive. People who shame the human race.

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 17:31:28 UTC | #886993

educationsaves's Avatar Comment 49 by educationsaves

The religion of peace strikes again. They do know at best that the "prophet" was just an ordinary man even if he was getting messages from god right? What really bugs me is that there will be no outcry from Muslim leaders denouncing this and demanding the perpetrator be caught and brought to justice. Instead they will ask us not to over-react. Seems it is not an isolated event and more of a standard accepted reaction to a simple cartoon.

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 17:44:16 UTC | #886998

Andrew B.'s Avatar Comment 50 by Andrew B.

Comment 46 by Bipedal Primate :

Comment 23 by Andrew B. :

Comment 13 by Richard Dawkins :

I wonder if the likes of Seth Faircloth will be as energized by this fire-bombing as they were by Dawkins being thrown out of a country club.

Yes, I would expect more so. Why would you doubt it? What nasty, mean-spirited little point are you trying to insinuate? (Sean, by the way, not Seth).

Richard

Presumably he means to repeat the tired suggestion that our criticism is focused only Christianity and not Islam.

I don't care for comment #1 about Sean Faircloth, but I strongly object to Andrew B.'s use of "tired suggestion" and so forth. It's not a tired suggestion that few public figures dares to call out this desert plague and rip it a new one, it's very much a real problem.

Mr. Jesus was mostly a prophet of peace, but Mr. Mo was far from it, and there are still a staggering numbers of atheists and so-called "humanists" who think Islam has been hi-jacked by a few radical "extremists", whatever that's supposed to mean. I also don't think we can win this battle if we keep referring to it as "religion", instead of what it really looks and behaves like; a political movement and a totalitarian ideology similar to Naziism and Stalinism.

It needs to be officially redefined, and that's where our efforts should be focused, by atheists, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists alike. It's Islam against everyone else, and the stealth jihadists are masters of psychological warfare and good old "divide and conquer". Even better than "political ideology" would be that it is simply a state. If you're used to thinking of "state" as equivalent to "nation state" this might sound weird, but if you take a look at the definitions available, you'll see that it fits very well indeed.

I'll just keep repeating this point everywhere from now on, until all of you submit to the will of The Bipedal Primate...

The suggestion I claimed was tired is the type which is made against atheists and anti-theists like Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens and Richard and those of us that find their opinions sensible, not the public in general. Of course I recognize the taboo in many circles in the west on criticizing Islam. Perhaps you should understand what's being said before you get all indignant.

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 18:10:50 UTC | #887012

Bipedal Primate's Avatar Comment 51 by Bipedal Primate

@ comment 50 by Andrew B.

"Perhaps you should understand..."

Who's being indignant?

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 18:14:38 UTC | #887014

alaskansee's Avatar Comment 52 by alaskansee

@ Bipedal Primate

You must have very little to do with your time if you think,

Anyone who hasn't read the Qur'an has no excuse not to do so.

I can think of dozens of reasons before I have to move onto excuses. Time is a non-renewable resource, don't waste it on poorly written fantasy.

Please sign my pledge - I'mnotgoingtoreadthatcrap.com Do apostrophes work in web addresses? I know they don't work in Islame.

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 19:50:39 UTC | #887061

Bipedal Primate's Avatar Comment 53 by Bipedal Primate

@ alaskansee

What the hell are you attacking me for? And you had to stop and make a comment about how you are not going to read something someone suggests more people read? Well, thanks for the information...

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 20:12:34 UTC | #887076

Mr DArcy's Avatar Comment 54 by Mr DArcy

I'm sorry, but I have no sympathy for the type of person who will firebomb a building, or fly an airplane into one. Doesn't it occur to these fanatics that there might be someone in there?

(Yes of course it does, - muderous bastards!)

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 21:18:04 UTC | #887105

Melissa's Avatar Comment 55 by Melissa

@ Bipedal Primate

Thanks for the link! I have made the pledge and enjoyed reading other fellow infidels' comments. Do you think we could ask in return that they make the pledge to stop killing whoever disagrees with the Quran?

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 21:21:51 UTC | #887108

Bipedal Primate's Avatar Comment 56 by Bipedal Primate

Comment 55 by Melissa :

@ Bipedal Primate

Thanks for the link! I have made the pledge and enjoyed reading other fellow infidels' comments. Do you think we could ask in return that they make the pledge to stop killing whoever disagrees with the Quran?

Yes, I do think we could ask them, but we must remember to ask them nicely, however, otherwise it might not have an effect... ;-)

Since you appreciated my recommendation, Melissa, I'll just go ahead and recommend citizenwarrior.com in it's entirety. Lots and lots of useful info on the subject, especially about how to deal with fellow unbelievers who have no clue that they're under attack or just prefer to live in denial.

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 22:44:53 UTC | #887143

ShadowMind's Avatar Comment 57 by ShadowMind

Brilliant! Charlie Hebdo, despite being burned down, has reprinted their 'blasphemous' cartoon.
What was the saying? "You do not have the right to not be offended" or something similar...

Thu, 03 Nov 2011 23:53:00 UTC | #887170

S. Gudmundsson's Avatar Comment 58 by S. Gudmundsson

In other news today, followers of George R.R. Martin burned down a local Borders after one store clerk proclaimed his "Game of Thrones" series to be "a feeble Lord of the Rings rip-off".

Fri, 04 Nov 2011 03:18:58 UTC | #887203

gordon's Avatar Comment 59 by gordon

This makes me deeply uneasy. I finished a painting last year with content based on Bertrand Russell’s teapot analogy and try as I might (and I have tried over 60 galleries and exhibitions in the UK to get it shown), no-one will display it because the protagonist in the painting holding the teapot has his foot on the three main holy books, the Bible, the Torah and the Quran. The proposal is that religion is like a chain to humanity and we would be better off looking toward rational discourse and the never ending adventure that science has as its gift, rather than dogma and bigotry. At the moment it is sitting in my studio. My Muslim friends that have seen it shake their heads but seem to understand it is not a shot at their superstition in particular, rather a pox on all their houses. I don’t know any really devout Christians so I haven’t yet had any response from them nor from Jews, though I have to say I’m not expecting any threats or uproar from them. Islam does seem to be very reactive at present, which, considering the amount of humanity enslaved to its position is very depressing. An artist is supposed to shake the cage every now and again but I do carry some fears of the reaction of one or two hotheads who think their particular deity needs minders to knock on the door of anyone with a different opinion, or in this case to throw in a fire bomb!

Fri, 04 Nov 2011 10:53:00 UTC | #887297

Alternative Carpark's Avatar Comment 60 by Alternative Carpark

100 lashes if you don't die of laughter...

Nice!

Fri, 04 Nov 2011 13:41:35 UTC | #887345