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A. R's Avatar Comment 1 by A. R

Good to see. Though we've suspected this for awhile, surveys are always nice.

Thu, 24 Nov 2011 16:51:05 UTC | #892827

AfraidToDie's Avatar Comment 2 by AfraidToDie

I have faith (wrong word) that the internet will help everyone see the light, or perhaps that there is no light in the relgious sense. The Internet is our slavation :-)

Thu, 24 Nov 2011 16:52:15 UTC | #892828

Ignorant Amos's Avatar Comment 3 by Ignorant Amos

Must be the wails of an entity in the throes of death.

Thu, 24 Nov 2011 17:02:37 UTC | #892831

Victor Mofjell's Avatar Comment 4 by Victor Mofjell

It's great to see an increase in the belief of religion in the greatest country in the world. I personally think that it's a good thing, rather than bad.

Thu, 24 Nov 2011 17:17:07 UTC | #892842

Tyler Durden's Avatar Comment 5 by Tyler Durden

Recent research from the Pew Research Center on politics and generational differences shows that interest in religion is actually declining from one generation to the next, and not only that, but interest in mixing religion and politics is on the decline.

Thanks be to G... er, well, yes, nice to see it on the decline.

USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!

Thu, 24 Nov 2011 17:23:49 UTC | #892848

aquilacane's Avatar Comment 6 by aquilacane

The speed with which all idea based communications spread is going to accelerate change toward the reasonable at a greater and greater rate. The most valuable education people will receive, will be from online people and resources not in the school system. They may learn of a topic in school but they will truly know it (inside and out) going online. Ideas like "let's overthrow our country today" no longer take years but rather days. The more connected we are to information, we could see countries topple in hours.

Thu, 24 Nov 2011 17:23:59 UTC | #892849

AtheistEgbert's Avatar Comment 7 by AtheistEgbert

A nation with less god belief is not necessarily a better nation, nor any less deluded. Take North Korea for example. Also, just as religion is in decline, so it becomes more dangerous and fundamentalist.

Thu, 24 Nov 2011 17:24:07 UTC | #892850

Tyler Durden's Avatar Comment 8 by Tyler Durden

Comment 4 by Victor Mofjell :

It's great to see an increase in the belief of religion in the greatest country in the world. I personally think that it's a good thing, rather than bad.

Increase?

Thu, 24 Nov 2011 17:25:32 UTC | #892851

MarkOnTheRiver's Avatar Comment 9 by MarkOnTheRiver

Comment 7 by AtheistEgbert :

A nation with less god belief is not necessarily a better nation, nor one any less deluded. Take North Korea for example.

You think that North Korea, with its very much dead "President for Eternity" or however Kim Il Sung is designated, doesn't have a god belief?

Thu, 24 Nov 2011 17:28:10 UTC | #892853

DocWebster's Avatar Comment 10 by DocWebster

North Korea has a god, Kim Jong Il

Thu, 24 Nov 2011 17:28:57 UTC | #892854

Anonymous's Avatar Comment 11 by Anonymous

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Thu, 24 Nov 2011 17:50:33 UTC | #892861

Anonymous's Avatar Comment 12 by Anonymous

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Thu, 24 Nov 2011 17:55:44 UTC | #892864

Rich Wiltshir's Avatar Comment 13 by Rich Wiltshir

Is it reasonable to infer that religoon is a emergent feature of engineerd group think and a recessive conclusion of individual thought?

Or am I singing to the choir,?

Thu, 24 Nov 2011 17:56:02 UTC | #892865

Anonymous's Avatar Comment 14 by Anonymous

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Thu, 24 Nov 2011 18:03:42 UTC | #892868

JHJEFFERY's Avatar Comment 15 by JHJEFFERY

Comment 3 by Ignorant Amos

Paul,

If you read professor Harris below the fold, you will note some minor discrepancies between his account of Constantine's conversion and my own. Nevertheless, he reaches the same general conclusion. There is historical support for a slightly earlier date for the conversion as well as support for the vision of the sun being a part of the conversion process. But Harris wrote without the benefit of the work of the lovely Professor Digeser.

I just didn't want you to lose faith :)

Thu, 24 Nov 2011 18:54:09 UTC | #892873

AtheistEgbert's Avatar Comment 16 by AtheistEgbert

Comment 9 by MarkOnTheRiver :

You think that North Korea, with its very much dead "President for Eternity" or however Kim Il Sung is designated, doesn't have a god belief?

It depends on who you talk to. I think atheists can be religious too, hence god belief or unbelief is irrelevant. The real evil is how people use power to control and oppress others.

Thu, 24 Nov 2011 18:55:36 UTC | #892874

Explorer's Avatar Comment 17 by Explorer

Comment 9 by MarkOnThe River

"The real evil is how people use power to control and oppress others."

...and religion is the lubricant of the oppressor!

Thu, 24 Nov 2011 19:23:52 UTC | #892879

ShadowMind's Avatar Comment 18 by ShadowMind

In light of these results, I would suspect that the religious, while decreasing in number, are increasing in volume to (more than) make up for it.The further they are pushed into the corner, the louder they become, screaming about being 'oppressed'.

Thu, 24 Nov 2011 20:02:49 UTC | #892889

Ignorant Amos's Avatar Comment 19 by Ignorant Amos

Comment 15 by JHJEFFERY

}80)~ no worries.

Thu, 24 Nov 2011 20:25:54 UTC | #892899

ZenDruid's Avatar Comment 20 by ZenDruid

Juche is the North Korean religion.

Thu, 24 Nov 2011 20:26:56 UTC | #892900

Save me jebuz!'s Avatar Comment 21 by Save me jebuz!

Wouldn't it be lovely to see fundie xtians reduced in scope and numbers enough to resemble something rather less dangerous and possibly even admired as naively cutesy, like say, the Amish? I hope my genes are gracious enough to grant me the longevity to witness that. I'd die laughing

Thu, 24 Nov 2011 20:34:45 UTC | #892903

prolibertas's Avatar Comment 22 by prolibertas

I'm no fan of religious literalism, but I have to concede a point to the first commenter on the site (a Christian). And that is that the 'religious right' of America cannot truly be said to be following Jesus' teachings. If they did, they'd be anti-war, anti-capitalist, and pro-universal-healthcare. Which is the opposite of what they are. If anything, liberal hippies are more in line with Jesus' teachings than the 'religious right'. The truth is that the 'religious right' follows Paul, and ONLY Paul: i.e., being anti-women, anti-gay, and pro-justification-by-faith.

Thu, 24 Nov 2011 20:40:50 UTC | #892905

strangebrew's Avatar Comment 23 by strangebrew

I think the seemingly recent so called surge in gobbly gook spluttering & proselytizing in 'the public square'...which appears to be in crescendo mode is actually a very significant sign that religion is, in general, not doing as well as they pretend.

The 'surge' seems to be more a knee jerk reaction to try and push back the encroaching secularization that has made serious inroads into the religious play pen.

And is more a victim drive to attempt to rack up the dwindling numbers. Bums on seats is their priority...that are not achieving any where near the figure they require to insure the next generation is not lost to their bollox!

And they are visibly defecating rubble and toxic gas in their panic.

They are fighting a rear guard action, becoming far more radical and as a result far more ridiculous, because they now have to exaggerate above and beyond sheer insanity to ply their religio tatty wares in the crowded market place. They have to be loud and proud, brash and flash just to be extremely 'out there' just to catch the slightest attention from the crowd, what with other cults vying for this soul or that, the competition must be seen to out do each other, the hysteria is almost palpable.

They are withering root and branch...and when such a dogma used to privilege and sycophantic clones starts losing significant support in the populace, which arguably it is...that is when the hierarchy go kamikaze out of sheer anger, rage and desperation, that is when it becomes dangerous and reckless..simply because they have no other option and nothing to lose...except their delusion.

The amount of xians feeling insulted or repressed is also an indicator that the grass in heaven is smelling ever so slightly over slurried. And when xians feel threatened as a belief club they whine incessantly about being hated and victims of a nasty secular campaign and conspiracy of intolerance...they do that as an automatic distress flare. It is a xian secret communication to rally the troops, just to give the impression to the rest of society that they are legion...kindda like camouflage from, and misdirection to, the enemy. One might even venture that they fear that there is a vacant sign hanging askew the pearly gates...

So...we enter the end game..

Thu, 24 Nov 2011 20:47:39 UTC | #892906

scottishgeologist's Avatar Comment 24 by scottishgeologist

What is happening in America may be similar to what is happening in the UK. AS mainstream "liberal" churches and denominations decline, the fundagelicals are coalescing round a set of beliefs characterised by charismatic, homophobic, YEC (esp YEC) ,Armageddonist, anti-science, biblical literalist, Zionist, eschatalogy-obsessed cult like behaviour. The whole lot underpinned and driven by ghastly "contemporary worship music" And nearly all credo-baptist.

The churches themselves tend to designate themselves as "church centres" or "fellowships"

I am not sure if these are growing in the UK, or just more common as the traditionalist churches die of old age. Is it not the case that the traditional churches in the USA are also in decline.?

Fascinating to watch

SG

Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:42:19 UTC | #892911

JHJEFFERY's Avatar Comment 25 by JHJEFFERY

The Christian religion is grounded in persecution--such is the lifeblood of the cult. Such is the story of their hero and it remains the story today. It is completely out of touch with the reality of Christianity of America. But I do agree that they are becoming more agitated (and therefore more obnoxious) as they see their privileged position slipping away.

"Blessed are those who are persecuted . . . "

From the beginning Christians overstated their persecution to obtain sympathy and then converts to their faith. Even today they complain about being the persecuted ones when the truth is that they are the persecutors--have been since the end of the fourth century.

This is an interesting psychological mind-set--one which I have never studied, but I wish someone would take up the torch and try to find out why humans want other humans to believe that they are persecuted for their beliefs.

Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:57:15 UTC | #892913

Mr DArcy's Avatar Comment 26 by Mr DArcy

Well if non-belief is increasing in the USA, then I can only say hooray! Too long has this Christian bearded dictator held sway over the minds of the people of the "land of the free"! Another hurdle apparently to be cleared out of the way of rationality and science!

I will raise my glass to whatever Ignorant Amos is drinking! (Mine's Oz Shiraz).

Cheers.

Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:58:07 UTC | #892914

Ignorant Amos's Avatar Comment 27 by Ignorant Amos

Comment 26 by Mr DArcy

White Rum and Coke tonight....cheers!

Thu, 24 Nov 2011 22:07:31 UTC | #892915

Alan4discussion's Avatar Comment 28 by Alan4discussion

With the likes of the pope and bishops calling for the sheeples to "fight secularism", it is easy to think they have a stronger hold on more people than they do.

Fundamentalists and evangelists make a virtue of being prominent. - A bit like a half brick on a diamond necklace!

Thu, 24 Nov 2011 23:57:48 UTC | #892929

JHJEFFERY's Avatar Comment 29 by JHJEFFERY

Comment 27 by Ignorant Amos

White Rum and Coke tonight....cheers!

Yews! Incredible coincidence. Make mine Bacardi and with a slice of lime. "Cuba Libra!"

Fri, 25 Nov 2011 00:12:04 UTC | #892932

Red Dog's Avatar Comment 30 by Red Dog

Comment 2 by AfraidToDie :

I have faith (wrong word) that the internet will help everyone see the light, or perhaps that there is no light in the relgious sense. The Internet is our slavation :-)

I don't share your faith. The Internet is no different than FM radio, TV, etc. The original adopters were mostly the smartest and most open minded people. But like anything else the Internet is getting dragged down by corporate interests and general stupidity. Try doing a search on creationism, global climate change, or gun control and the majority of what you will find is BS and propaganda.

I think progress is possible but there is no techno bullet that is going to magically solve all our problems.

Fri, 25 Nov 2011 00:23:18 UTC | #892933