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SomersetJohn's Avatar Comment 1 by SomersetJohn

I am entirely in favour of what these fuckwits want. Make them stand at the backs of busses. Make them use separate entrances in theaters, supermarkets and health centers. Small ones, next to the rubbish bins. Exclude them from military ceremonies where they might hear women singing.

Every exclusion they demand should be imposed on them. Them listen for the screams of "I'm being oppressed."

Sun, 27 Nov 2011 14:34:34 UTC | #893577

Jay G's Avatar Comment 2 by Jay G

Since the Chareidim can't persuade people to live as they do, by using logical, reasoned arguments, they have no alternative but to resort to force. It won't work because the human "spirit" which demands freedom will win out.

Sun, 27 Nov 2011 15:01:23 UTC | #893586

Schrodinger's Cat's Avatar Comment 3 by Schrodinger's Cat

Nature spent several million years honing the human form to a state of beauty.......only for these religious morons to regard it as 'indecent'. Of all the ridiculous absurdities of religion, the teaching of people to be ashamed of their bodies and their sexuality ranks as one of the most pernicious and damaging to societal health.

Sun, 27 Nov 2011 15:07:01 UTC | #893590

Jay G's Avatar Comment 4 by Jay G

Comment 3 by Schrodinger's Cat :

Nature spent several million years honing the human form to a state of beauty.......only for these religious morons to regard it as 'indecent'. Of all the ridiculous absurdities of religion, the teaching of people to be ashamed of their bodies and their sexuality ranks as one of the most pernicious and damaging to societal health.

Religion wants you to feel guilty just for being alive. Now THAT's pernicious and damaging.

Sun, 27 Nov 2011 15:24:39 UTC | #893599

Dirty Kuffar's Avatar Comment 5 by Dirty Kuffar

I hope those lovely Jewish Princesses of the Kolben Dance Co don't give in - maybe just get some toughened glass and learn Krav Maga !

Sun, 27 Nov 2011 15:50:06 UTC | #893605

DavidMcC's Avatar Comment 6 by DavidMcC

Comment 3 by Schrodinger's Cat Nature spent several million years honing the human form to a state of beauty...

You mean Lucy wasn't beautiful in the eyes of her mate, 3.2 million years ago? Ever since mammals started following their desires instead of just their instincts, beauty has surely mattered to species survival.

Sun, 27 Nov 2011 16:05:52 UTC | #893609

Schrodinger's Cat's Avatar Comment 7 by Schrodinger's Cat

Comment 6 by DavidMcC

You mean Lucy wasn't beautiful in the eyes of her mate, 3.2 million years ago?

Undoubtedly......but I suspect sexual selection has played every bit as much a part as functionalism in creating today's 'ideal'. If these religious wackos had their way, it would play no part at all.

Sun, 27 Nov 2011 16:38:52 UTC | #893617

Eyerish's Avatar Comment 8 by Eyerish

"The Haredim say Jewish religious teachings demand modest dress, the segregation of men and women in public, and a prohibition on women singing in the presence of men in case it arouses shameful thoughts."

How very muslim of them. Shows how closely related these sworn enemys really are.

Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:06:36 UTC | #893631

Wendy Farts On Her Bible's Avatar Comment 9 by Wendy Farts On Her Bible

Anyone know where the Haredi cancan finals are being held this year?

Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:09:53 UTC | #893632

kraut's Avatar Comment 10 by kraut

Can someone point out to me the differences between Islamists and their counterpart assholes of the jewish persuasion?

Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:39:55 UTC | #893647

Wendy Farts On Her Bible's Avatar Comment 11 by Wendy Farts On Her Bible

Comment 10 by kraut

Can someone point out to me the differences between Islamists and their counterpart assholes of the jewish persuasion?

Yeah.

Yahweh don't surf.

Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:59:29 UTC | #893652

Malgorzata's Avatar Comment 12 by Malgorzata

@comment 10 by kraut

There are definitely less suicide bombers among them.

Sun, 27 Nov 2011 18:57:58 UTC | #893669

IDLERACER's Avatar Comment 13 by IDLERACER

Can somebody please tell me what these Haredi do for a living? Why on earth do they have any sway in what goes on over there at all? They appear to be completely worthless people who do nothing but sit and read (only one book) all day. They don't produce or invent anything. They don't grow anything. They don't sell anything. They don't appear to be into any kind of manual labor. Why are these life-long welfare recipients allowed to go rampaging through what is supposedly a modern city, vandalizing public and private property with seemingly little or no consequences? I DON'T GET IT!!

Mon, 28 Nov 2011 03:55:10 UTC | #893755

Wendy Farts On Her Bible's Avatar Comment 14 by Wendy Farts On Her Bible

Mon, 28 Nov 2011 08:02:00 UTC | #893788

Rosbif's Avatar Comment 15 by Rosbif

I think these gentlemen should get their wish. Total segregation. They should all be moved to a walled town with no women so they never have to be ashamed again. Not a woman should be allowed within 100 miles and none of these chaps get to go outside lest they see a female.

Then let natural selection take its course; which won't bother them as they believe god peopled the world from Noah's sons. If nothing else, it might make a comparative experiment between biology and the ancient texts.

Mon, 28 Nov 2011 17:31:16 UTC | #893913

TeraBrat's Avatar Comment 16 by TeraBrat

Blockquote The Haredim say Jewish religious teachings demand modest dress, the segregation of men and women in public, and a prohibition on women singing in the presence of men in case it arouses shameful thoughts

That's their dumbass interpretration. Fact is most Jews disagree with that including Modern Orthodox Jews. Extremist nutjobs!

Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:09:50 UTC | #893949

TeraBrat's Avatar Comment 17 by TeraBrat

Comment 8 by Eyerish :

"The Haredim say Jewish religious teachings demand modest dress, the segregation of men and women in public, and a prohibition on women singing in the presence of men in case it arouses shameful thoughts." How very muslim of them. Shows how closely related these sworn enemys really are.

They aren't their sworn enemies. These are the Jews who side with the Muslims.

Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:12:56 UTC | #893951

TeraBrat's Avatar Comment 18 by TeraBrat

Comment 13 by IDLERACER :

Can somebody please tell me what these Haredi do for a living? Why on earth do they have any sway in what goes on over there at all? They appear to be completely worthless people who do nothing but sit and read (only one book) all day. They don't produce or invent anything. They don't grow anything. They don't sell anything. They don't appear to be into any kind of manual labor. Why are these life-long welfare recipients allowed to go rampaging through what is supposedly a modern city, vandalizing public and private property with seemingly little or no consequences? I DON'T GET IT!!

They live off their wives and state welfare. They don't work, they sit and "study" while their wives work, take care of the home, and raise the ten kids they believe they need to have.

Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:14:59 UTC | #893952

Philoctetes                                        's Avatar Comment 19 by Philoctetes

We know that fundamentalists are selective when selecting the appropriate holy text as justification for some minority bashing but might I make the following suggestion:

"If thine eye offend thee, pluck it out." Matthew 18:9

Ok, it's NT but as is the nature of these sayings, it's probably recycled from some obscure OT verse.

Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:17:39 UTC | #893953

IDLERACER's Avatar Comment 20 by IDLERACER

"They live off their wives and state welfare. They don't work, they sit and "study" while their wives work, take care of the home, and raise the ten kids they believe they need to have."

Alright, then what the hell do their wives do for a living? Obviously they aren't singers.

Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:00:01 UTC | #894066

TeraBrat's Avatar Comment 21 by TeraBrat

Comment 20 by IDLERACER :

"They live off their wives and state welfare. They don't work, they sit and "study" while their wives work, take care of the home, and raise the ten kids they believe they need to have." Alright, then what the hell do their wives do for a living? Obviously they aren't singers.

There are plenty of jobs that don't involve singing or dancing. Mine doesn't. I just dance for fun.

Tue, 29 Nov 2011 16:12:36 UTC | #894127

Steven Mading's Avatar Comment 22 by Steven Mading

Comment 7 by Schrodinger's Cat :

Comment 6 by DavidMcC

You mean Lucy wasn't beautiful in the eyes of her mate, 3.2 million years ago?

Undoubtedly......but I suspect sexual selection has played every bit as much a part as functionalism in creating today's 'ideal'. If these religious wackos had their way, it would play no part at all.

There's a chicken-and-egg problem there. The brain evolves too, and so does sexual attraction. What is desirable in a mate changes over time. For any genetic trait X you care to mention, If X is a useful gene survival trait, then sexual attraction to X is also a useful gene survival trait. Thus it's hard to tell if the modern human female form is the result of sexual selection for what males find attractive, or if it's the other way around and what males find attractive is the result of the fact that OTHER factors were changing the shape of the human female anyway, and male sexual attraction to the new form was just a by-product of this. . As a human male with a modern human brain, it's very hard to look at it objectively and remember that there's no reason to assume that my ancestors had the same response triggers I do.

Tue, 29 Nov 2011 19:55:57 UTC | #894168

TeraBrat's Avatar Comment 23 by TeraBrat

Comment 22 by Steven Mading :

Comment 7 by Schrodinger's Cat :

Comment 6 by DavidMcC

You mean Lucy wasn't beautiful in the eyes of her mate, 3.2 million years ago?

Undoubtedly......but I suspect sexual selection has played every bit as much a part as functionalism in creating today's 'ideal'. If these religious wackos had their way, it would play no part at all.

There's a chicken-and-egg problem there. The brain evolves too, and so does sexual attraction. What is desirable in a mate changes over time. For any genetic trait X you care to mention, If X is a useful gene survival trait, then sexual attraction to X is also a useful gene survival trait. Thus it's hard to tell if the modern human female form is the result of sexual selection for what males find attractive, or if it's the other way around and what males find attractive is the result of the fact that OTHER factors were changing the shape of the human female anyway, and male sexual attraction to the new form was just a by-product of this. . As a human male with a modern human brain, it's very hard to look at it objectively and remember that there's no reason to assume that my ancestors had the same response triggers I do.

Apparently those fat welfare mommas with a dozen kids are very desirable.

Tue, 29 Nov 2011 22:35:34 UTC | #894222