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drumdaddy's Avatar Comment 1 by drumdaddy

For the first time I will be watching Sky News. Give him hell, sir.

Sat, 17 Dec 2011 11:10:21 UTC | #900241

celtlen's Avatar Comment 2 by celtlen

Low hanging fruit indeed! It's an embarrassment that Prof. Dawkins has to continually school the man that is our prime minister. Cameron's speech on religion, as well as his response to issue of faith schools, betrayed what a thoughtless, shallow and utterly contemptible individual our leader is. Now that he wants us to adopt xtian values, I await the legislative programme which legalizes the subjugation of women, bigitory against homosexuals and the right to own slaves. According to Dave, our society will only be mended after we return to the xtianity of our past. In reality, the danger to our society comes from the policies of this Tory government.

Sat, 17 Dec 2011 11:22:07 UTC | #900245

Kurt75's Avatar Comment 3 by Kurt75

Full version only available in UK and Ireland. The international version seems to just loop news stories every 10 minutes. They do, however, mention Cameron's speech calling for a return to Xian values.

Sat, 17 Dec 2011 11:30:03 UTC | #900248

Tanweer's Avatar Comment 4 by Tanweer

Comment 2 by celtlen

In reality, the danger to our society comes from the policies of this Tory government.

Correction, the danger to our society comes from the policies of any Tory government!

Capitalism + Christianity + Cronyism = The Conservative (& Unionist) Party

Sat, 17 Dec 2011 11:31:00 UTC | #900249

Graxan's Avatar Comment 5 by Graxan

I was slightly impressed by Cameron's stance on the Euro-deal last week but in my ignorance about his religiousity I see he is now just being devisive and separatist. Apparently he thinks that by encouraging the revival of the church of England, he will fight the 'Moral collapse' of our country. The problem in the UK, if there is a real problem, is more to do with the encouragement of certain lifestyles by changes in the housing market and the benefits system and also by the withdrawal of the police into office blocks away from rural areas and their treating of the local population as 'civilians', creating an us and them culture.

When I heard the news about the PM's announcement I thought it was a bit suspect, considering the loss of the mighty Hitch on the same day...but apparently it is the 400th anniversary of the King James Bible.

Richard, I hope you are able to expose the prime minister's idiocy on this matter. If not, at least you can raise awareness that the latest social survey indicates Britain is 50% non-religion affiliated and increasing. Anyway, you don't don't need to likes of me to give any advice on this, I eagerly look forward to the interview on Sky.

Sat, 17 Dec 2011 11:41:35 UTC | #900254

Saganic Rites's Avatar Comment 6 by Saganic Rites

Not being a Sky subscriber I'll miss this, but it would be so fitting if the good professor could slip in a quote from The Hitch.

However, I do feel that everybody who voted 'tactically', or persuaded others to at the last election should be hanging their heads in shame for enabling this bunch of self-interested lightweights to be in charge. Who'd of thought that we would be isolated from Europe just to keep a handful of bankers (and the Cameron / Osbourne fortunes) safely away from the clutches of the taxman? Watching Sarkozy totally blanking Cameron was both the funniest and saddest thing I've seen for a long time, so thank you Cameron for taking the Great out of Britain.

Go get him Richard!

Sat, 17 Dec 2011 11:42:25 UTC | #900255

DaveUK9xx's Avatar Comment 7 by DaveUK9xx

I can't imagine how Richard is going to get through a live interview at a time like this when he must be griefstricken at the loss of his friend. May our collective well wishes fortify you sir both today and in the future as you shoulder the burden of carrying Christopher's torch as well as your own.

Sat, 17 Dec 2011 12:00:58 UTC | #900260

Tanweer's Avatar Comment 8 by Tanweer

Comment 6 by Saganic Rites

However, I do feel that everybody who voted 'tactically', or persuaded others to at the last election should be hanging their heads in shame for enabling this bunch of self-interested lightweights to be in charge. Who'd of thought that we would be isolated from Europe just to keep a handful of bankers (and the Cameron / Osbourne fortunes) safely away from the clutches of the taxman? Watching Sarkozy totally blanking Cameron was both the funniest and saddest thing I've seen for a long time, so thank you Cameron for taking the Great out of Britain.

Hear hear!

Sat, 17 Dec 2011 12:01:31 UTC | #900261

hemidemisemigod's Avatar Comment 9 by hemidemisemigod

Comment 6 by Saganic Rites :

Not being a Sky subscriber I'll miss this, but it would be so fitting if the good professor could slip in a quote from The Hitch.

You should be able to watch Sky News on Freeview. It's on Channel 82.

Sat, 17 Dec 2011 12:05:17 UTC | #900264

Graxan's Avatar Comment 10 by Graxan

@Comments 6 and 8

Come on guys, do you really see any difference in the available main stream parties and their representatives? They are as vile as each other.

Sat, 17 Dec 2011 12:07:23 UTC | #900265

Premiseless's Avatar Comment 11 by Premiseless

Term of office hardly gives room for such a remit as taking on centuries of theism. This is his hard place! Whatever he sees as rational is tough to transpose to a population hooked on theistic histories minus an easily, slipped in, alternative.

Peter Hitchens fuels Camerons position when declaring the BRITISH political legacy to be unique in the world. A nostalgia for the recipe that cooked it up declares, "Preserve the recipe". I think this a particularly blinkered view anyhow. It never was an empirical solution. A window in time that served those languishing in the euphoria of idealism. There were many victims. There were many who suffered this position being reached. The Conservative nostalgias hold fast to this "Green England" only they could access the leather on willow of. And here's the irony; it's now become preserve faith in general in some last ditch hope it includes the hallowed turf.

I was listening to Schama, probably sincerely, spouting about how middle eastern women are the future. About how their plight is the new revolution. One of them looked bemused and she might well. Each of them are piggybacking a freshly seeded totalitarian uprising amidst a cross bled corpse people. The seed of the cosmic dictator ever charades its disguise and Cameron has become its ventriloquist dummy. Take your pick, the universal puppet master is live and kicking in the schools of every next generation, except this time Pandoras box hosts a whole collection of masters in disguise.

When will they get it? Secularism must not only move on from educating beyond theism, but must also tackle, head on, the pig ignorant mentalities that foist bankers bonus egos upon us all, without calamitously passing that chalice back into the hands that delivered it to us in the first place.

Theism think lets in the charlatans. It renders the 'sheep' dead meat to the butchers. To empower THEM you need secular education that teaches thought process. Build a nation that resists depositing its brain cells in the banks of bonus seekers, not one that advocates more of them!

Sat, 17 Dec 2011 12:15:25 UTC | #900269

Alan4discussion's Avatar Comment 12 by Alan4discussion

Comment 5 by Graxan

The problem in the UK, if there is a real problem, is more to do with the encouragement of certain lifestyles by changes in the housing market and the benefits system and also by the withdrawal of the police into office blocks away from rural areas and their treating of the local population as 'civilians', creating an us and them culture.

Cameron, like previous Tory governments, needs a steady supply of media diversions to distract the public from he is actually doing. Stirring up national, international, sectarian and class conflict as a distraction, is stock in trade!

Did anyone notice his European veto on behalf of the City of London Bankers! ... ... ..Quick! .. .. .. More theological smoke!!!

Sat, 17 Dec 2011 12:18:12 UTC | #900270

Premiseless's Avatar Comment 13 by Premiseless

I think MOST of the British population partly poisoned by cognitive dissonance. Even those seeking a real solution fail to see one absent theism. This is the legacy religious belief has always posed for empires of the past. Its usually why they take centuries to decline. Religious myths hold fast onto the human mind, usually for way longer than a term in government. And in such times new myths sneak in unnoticed, subtly weaving a new invisible dictator to unsuspecting next generations - the uneducated.

Who is going to get of his arse and break this cycle that has PLAGUED us for millennia?

Or is Schama right. It's gonna take an Eastern Feminism?

Sat, 17 Dec 2011 12:25:32 UTC | #900272

Saganic Rites's Avatar Comment 14 by Saganic Rites

@ Graxan. I do feel that despite the blurring of the lines between the parties, a Labour / Liberal coalition would have been infinitely more preferable to the current joke, bought about in part because Gordon Brown was at least a genuine politician (and the best Chancellor this country has seen for many a year), whereas Clegg and Cameron share the 'style over substance' method which turned the last election into nothing more than a glorified X-Factor contest.

Clegg knew that under a Lab / Lib coalition he would remain a nonentity, so rather than go with experience he sold his soul and left us at the mercy of a PM who announced (when asked about his misdeeds at university) 'What I got up to at university doesn't matter as I didn't know that I was going into politics" (ps. he was reading Politics); and a Chancellor whose first act on being given the post was to get his hands on a copy of Economics For Beginners, FFS.

Sat, 17 Dec 2011 12:34:19 UTC | #900275

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Sat, 17 Dec 2011 12:34:53 UTC | #900276

Premiseless's Avatar Comment 16 by Premiseless

Comment 14 by Saganic Rites :

@ Graxan. I do feel that despite the blurring of the lines between the parties, a Labour / Liberal coalition would have been infinitely more preferable to the current joke, bought about in part because Gordon Brown was at least a genuine politician (and the best Chancellor this country has seen for many a year), whereas Clegg and Cameron share the 'style over substance' method which turned the last election into nothing more than a glorified X-Factor contest.

It often shocks me as to how any "expertise" of a previous term is dumped rather than utilised for best benefit. In fighting is endemic when you think of it. It's as if politics per se requires cloak and dagger strategy to forever mess up each others attempts at good policy. Costly battles seem endemic. The affluent pick off the cherries and cheer on the fight. The blue collar taxpayer picks up the tab to clear up the mess. You'd think good, mature politics was about building on, whoever gets in. Are we all deluding ourselves by being drawn into the battle to ever upstage whoever is in power?

Clegg knew that under a Lab / Lib coalition he would remain a nonentity, so rather than go with experience he sold his soul and left us at the mercy of a PM who announced (when asked about his misdeeds at university) 'What I got up to at university doesn't matter as I didn't know that I was going into politics" (ps. he was reading Politics); and a Chancellor whose first act on being given the post was to get his hands on a copy of Economics For Beginners, FFS.

I'm less concerned about if Cameron had orgies after communion than if he sorts out the country for the next generation. There is far too much pap by the press, as if all reporters are celibate therefore holy, to warrant my attention. It's as if were advocating non sex commandments whilst shaking everyone awake to the fact that there is no celestial dictator watching anyhow. Is Murdoch a monk or something? And his mother a virgin?

Sat, 17 Dec 2011 12:53:08 UTC | #900284

Graxan's Avatar Comment 17 by Graxan

Comment 14 by Saganic Rites I agree with you to some extent about Gordon Brown as a person, but I remember thinking for years while Labour was in power - Where the hell are they getting all the money for the things they are doing? Qwangos left right and centre, benefits for all, the build up of multiple payers of useless management in the public sector. Looking at Labour now I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole, imagine Miliband representing the UK, 'shudder'.

Sat, 17 Dec 2011 13:25:29 UTC | #900291

Philoctetes                                        's Avatar Comment 18 by Philoctetes

RD will win the argument but this is a battle he can't win. Taking on politicians is fraught with danger. RD will argue from facts and with honesty, a skilled politician will fight dirty, slur and character assassinate. Cameron is no great intellectual, but he knows how to get people to agree with him.

Sat, 17 Dec 2011 13:32:04 UTC | #900292

strangebrew's Avatar Comment 19 by strangebrew

In times of national strife the government always and without fail turn to the church...they need the votes, tis a pragmatic political knee jerk reaction. The Church of England is often depicted as being the Tory Party at prayer anyway, maybe more then a little truth in that adage, but whatever the goal is for nice things to be said about Tory policy in the pulpit, get the bishops as your pimps and the money or support will roll down the aisle in quick double time! But the church will provide votes at a price, they always have a price, religion always has a price, and it is always, and without fail, extortionate!

So more faith schools and greater influences in the government, along with pet projects getting the nod and public funds from the treasury to pursue at will.

Less resistance in providing 'counselling services' to women and their abortion requests. Possibly a change in UK law to do away with human rights legislation so that 'teh gheys' can be stamped on and discriminated against legally and often. Atheists openly oppressed and intolerance encouraged against them, ust for starters, there is no such critter as a moderate churchman when they have free reign, they are by default extremely flaky with regards to rationality...every single one of them.

Anyway they all basically hop to the same tune and would have no problem indulging in the usual run of the mill xian lurve' fests that tickle their holy bone!

Am I surprised...no...but each and every little 'jolly' they fervently get sweaty armpits while panting and drooling over jeebus I will oppose...because they are and remain evil...truly evil... beyond mere words!

Sat, 17 Dec 2011 13:43:27 UTC | #900294

Richie P's Avatar Comment 20 by Richie P

Well done Richard. Good interview. It's a shame that the host didn't give you more of an opportunity to speak for longer (that said it was a lot better than Bill O'bloody Reilly)!

Sat, 17 Dec 2011 13:51:34 UTC | #900296

JJFinch's Avatar Comment 21 by JJFinch

Ah, I missed it - is a video available?

Sat, 17 Dec 2011 13:53:06 UTC | #900297

Philoctetes                                        's Avatar Comment 22 by Philoctetes

It's interesting that struggling politicians invariably turn to religion. It would be touching if it were because they believed that this was the way to get the celestial superman's help, but of course it is the more cynical hope that he can harvest the delusional vote. How fortunate we in the UK have been until now, when even the smarmy godbot Blair refused to "do god" publicly. How unfortunate are you in the States where all politicians use faith in the absence of any credible policies whatsoever. Even dictators like Gadafi, Saddam etc. call on faith when the going gets tough

Sat, 17 Dec 2011 13:56:07 UTC | #900298

Jumped Up Chimpanzee's Avatar Comment 23 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee

Well spoken, Richard.

Don't know what the bishop was on about when he said Christianity wasn't only about morals, it was about leading a good life. What's the difference?

Sat, 17 Dec 2011 13:58:00 UTC | #900300

whenpigsfly's Avatar Comment 24 by whenpigsfly

can't seem to find a video of this yet :(

Sat, 17 Dec 2011 14:15:17 UTC | #900303

Marc Country's Avatar Comment 25 by Marc Country

It takes balls for Cameron, a secular politician, to claim that Dawkins, author of a hugely best-selling book on religion, doesn't understand the subject of religion...

... and Cameron does?

How? Magic?

Because he has obviously not spent as much time on the issue than Dawkins has.

Is Cameron really so obtuse, so full of hubris? Apparently...

Sat, 17 Dec 2011 14:16:18 UTC | #900304

Premiseless's Avatar Comment 26 by Premiseless

It seems to me the media almost enforce an ecclesiastical leadership. Sleaze free seems more important than competence. The ruling elite want a well groomed stallion rather than any wild horse to serve their agenda. Well stabled. Not free to roam.

The whole charade is script written. Politics is a stage play the world over. Resign yourself to taking a seat of passivity. Your children are already private property! Education will see to that. Which is exactly why education is being peppered with totalitarian seduction. Everyone "Reach for the sky!" Your celestial dictator is watching. Mental health problems replanted! Minds shackled. Job done!

Sat, 17 Dec 2011 14:22:18 UTC | #900305

Premiseless's Avatar Comment 27 by Premiseless

Comment 25 by Marc Country :

Is Cameron really so obtuse, so full of hubris? Apparently...

You have to acknowledge that as soon as someone gets their minds into farming an agenda, reason is but a tool for animal management. Cull the cocks and keep the hens, eggs and all!

It's conspicuous, the extent to which you will feel the subliminal agenda of the above 'executive' power.

An elite club with an elitists agenda serving the shipmates a mutiny policy.

Its an odd box, when you can think for yourself, to realise this privilege has been fine tuned by the entropy of society to invite, at the very least, derision upon yourself, and if vulnerable to it, much worse.

School, playground, bully, victim. Repeat prescription!

Sat, 17 Dec 2011 14:52:52 UTC | #900313

Philoctetes                                        's Avatar Comment 28 by Philoctetes

Cameron is not full of hubris, he just understands that his audience is more influenced by a simple slogan than sophisticated argument. Politics is no longer for the clever (if it ever was) it is for the feral. It is why Cameron can benefit from declining educational standards while bemoaning them.

Sat, 17 Dec 2011 14:55:34 UTC | #900316

Sucram's Avatar Comment 29 by Sucram

Aww, I missed it. Will it be up anytime soon?

Sat, 17 Dec 2011 15:12:08 UTC | #900318

strangebrew's Avatar Comment 30 by strangebrew

Comment 23 Jumped Up Chimpanzee

Don't know what the bishop was on about when he said Christianity wasn't only about morals, it was about leading a good life.

Tis more of that thar 'fistikated feelology' they says... that floats their ark apparently!

What's the difference?

There is none, just nuance, what he is trying to obscure is that 'Morals' are what they slobber after on the quite...biblical and anti-teh ghey having no rights and no respect and anti-women having no choice and no say over their own bodies and promoting creationism in schools...cos that is a major goal....get 'em brain washed young...they are yours for life...and they sorely need a future torrent of brain dead to practice and pass on the insanity, they are literally withering on the vine

The other is the 'good life' serving the community by influencing local and national councils, it means missionaries and setting up 'centres' for evangelistic ...'outreach'... it means fund drives for this that or the other...doing what jeebus would have done...so they tell us...criticizing bankers, cos the public opinion dictates that attitude, they would quite easily praise them if that was in their interests, moaning about intolerance to xian dipshits that just want to be martyrs in the cause, and the best bit is blaming a secular lifestyle for floods and disasters, basically trying to appear all things to all men while slowly manoeuvring on the sly to really call the shots in society. ..but that particular phase comes after...and is the 'morals' part they boast only the church has!....fuck we would be in trouble, and then some!

Sat, 17 Dec 2011 15:13:51 UTC | #900319