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Carlinlives's Avatar Comment 1 by Carlinlives

This religion needs to die.

Tue, 27 Dec 2011 17:12:53 UTC | #903008

smart_boy's Avatar Comment 2 by smart_boy

I'm An Iranian (Unfortunately)

Brainwashing In Here Is Terrible!

About This Subject And The Others...

Tue, 27 Dec 2011 17:25:54 UTC | #903012

ANTIcarrot's Avatar Comment 3 by ANTIcarrot

Comment 1 by Carlinlives : This religion needs to die.

Stop blaiming your favorite hated minority every time you see something you don't like.

Killing someone based upon an accusation of adultery is a terrible thing. But it has nothing to do with islam. Whatever excuses or encouragement they may find in the quran, the actual origin of this morality comes from somewhere else. At best you're blaiming a reflection. At worst you're blaiming a diagnostic tool.

In either case you're being extremely foolish, and doing something that every famous athiest on this website has been telling you to not do for years.

Tue, 27 Dec 2011 17:34:35 UTC | #903015

Richard Dawkins's Avatar Comment 4 by Richard Dawkins

Her 'crime', the crime for which she was sentenced to death by stoning, for which she has already been in prison for five years, and for which they are now thinking of hanging her, was 'conducting an illicit relationship outside marriage'. What does 'illicit relationship outside marriage' mean? Was she seen walking down the street with a man who was not her husband or a close relation? Was she raped (plenty of Islamic precedents for a death sentence for the crime of being raped). Did she even have consensual intercourse with somebody? I don't know and I'm not interested. How many people do you know who would NOT qualify for execution under this barbaric, Islamic legal code?

What is there left to say about Sharia Law? Who will defend it? Who can find something, anything, good to say about Islam?

Richard

Tue, 27 Dec 2011 17:40:02 UTC | #903017

Richard Dawkins's Avatar Comment 5 by Richard Dawkins

But it has nothing to do with islam.

Oh no? Then why do the perpetrators, and the mullahs and imams and ayatollahs and 'scholars', continually SAY it has everything to do with Islam? You may not think it has anything to do with Islam, but I prefer to listen to what the people responsible actually say. I would also love it if decent, 'moderate' Muslims would stand up and condemn the barbarisms that are carried out, or threatened, in their name.

Richard

Tue, 27 Dec 2011 17:46:01 UTC | #903020

Carlinlives's Avatar Comment 6 by Carlinlives

Comment 3 by ANTIcarrot :

Comment 1 by Carlinlives : This religion needs to die.

Stop blaiming your favorite hated minority every time you see something you don't like.

Killing someone based upon an accusation of adultery is a terrible thing. But it has nothing to do with islam. Whatever excuses or encouragement they may find in the quran, the actual origin of this morality comes from somewhere else. At best you're blaiming a reflection. At worst you're blaiming a diagnostic tool.

In either case you're being extremely foolish, and doing something that every famous athiest on this website has been telling you to not do for years.

Can you tell me, with a straight face, that something like this could happen in a 21st century secular society? The gymnastics you are willing to go through to take what is obviously the root cause -- Islam -- and absolve it of all blame should get you the gold medal on the balance beam.

Tue, 27 Dec 2011 17:54:32 UTC | #903021

God fearing Atheist's Avatar Comment 7 by God fearing Atheist

Comment 4 by Richard Dawkins :

How many people do you know who would NOT qualify for execution under this barbaric, Islamic legal code?

I don't qualify for execution. I'm male!

... I'll get me coat

Tue, 27 Dec 2011 17:55:42 UTC | #903023

Carlinlives's Avatar Comment 8 by Carlinlives

Comment 5 by Richard Dawkins :

But it has nothing to do with islam.

Oh no? Then why do the perpetrators, and the mullahs and imams and ayatollahs and 'scholars', continually SAY it has everything to do with Islam? You may not think it has anything to do with Islam, but I prefer to listen to what the people responsible actually say. I would also love it if decent, 'moderate' Muslims would stand up and condemn the barbarisms that are carried out, or threatened, in their name.

Richard

Exactly the same with the 9/11 bombings and their sorry apologists. If you want to know why they did it, go to the source. The ravings left by the bombers themselves and Osama can tell you. To kill infidels, go to paradise, avenge the occupation of the holy land and blah blah . They ardently believed in this madness. Why would one not take their word for it?

Tue, 27 Dec 2011 17:58:31 UTC | #903024

Carlinlives's Avatar Comment 9 by Carlinlives

Comment 3 by ANTIcarrot :

Comment 1 by Carlinlives : This religion needs to die.

Stop blaiming your favorite hated minority every time you see something you don't like.

Oh and one more thing: your accusation of me hating a minority is baseless and wrong and I take deep offense.

Tue, 27 Dec 2011 18:01:35 UTC | #903025

stellier68's Avatar Comment 10 by stellier68

Just learned something new...There is an :" International Comitee against Stoning " in 2011!!! (soon 2012). WOW!

Is there also a Cannibalism Victims Relief Fund ? a Whipping Investigation Bureau ?

Which way are we going?

Tue, 27 Dec 2011 18:05:35 UTC | #903027

Carlinlives's Avatar Comment 11 by Carlinlives

Comment 10 by stellier68 :

Just learned something new...There is an :" International Comitee against Stoning " in 2011!!! (soon 2012). WOW!

Is there also a Cannibalism Victims Relief Fund ? a Whipping Investigation Bureau ?

Which way are we going?

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The Society for the Prevention of Toasting Heretics?

Tue, 27 Dec 2011 18:08:42 UTC | #903030

Premiseless's Avatar Comment 12 by Premiseless

"I was the god of all genitals. I watch your genitals night and day. I am a respectable god. My one mistake is giving you a brain so you can decide what to do with your genitals. For this reason, others will be told to use their brains for you, for your genitals too. These are the brain and genital class. Very holey. So I suppose in the end brains came in useful. Oh and genitals too - a place almost everyone has had their brains. This is the sacred code of brains and genitals. If you use them both together, the other brains - the ones who are supposed to use them, will have you put to death. I'm not sure why, it just pleases the genital heads who tell people what to do with their genitals. They are the new gods of genitals who keep blaming it on me. It's like I said, the brain is my one mistake! Bless."

Tue, 27 Dec 2011 18:09:48 UTC | #903031

Ignorant Amos's Avatar Comment 13 by Ignorant Amos

And Islam has nothing to do with the Taliban taking wee girls and having acid thrown in their faces and their teachers being trailed from the classroom and shot in the head.....must be my Islamaphobia playing up again I guess.

Tue, 27 Dec 2011 18:10:22 UTC | #903032

Carlinlives's Avatar Comment 14 by Carlinlives

Comment 13 by Ignorant Amos :

And Islam has nothing to do with the Taliban taking wee girls and having acid thrown in their faces and their teachers being trailed from the classroom and shot in the head.....must be my Islamaphobia playing up again I guess.

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Yeah you're just a racist for pointing out facts. Oh wait. Islam isn't a race.

Tue, 27 Dec 2011 18:13:56 UTC | #903033

Ignorant Amos's Avatar Comment 15 by Ignorant Amos

Comment 14 by Carlinlives

Yeah you're just a racist for pointing out facts. Oh wait. Islam isn't a race.

Lucky me I guess......wait a wee minute though, if it made me a racist for pointing out such atrocities that were carried out by a race on the basis of race, then I'm happy enough with the label. That's not the case, IMO.

Tue, 27 Dec 2011 18:24:54 UTC | #903035

Sudipta Modak's Avatar Comment 16 by Sudipta Modak

How many times Islam and its circumcised bastards have to prove that it's the evil most religion.

Tue, 27 Dec 2011 18:27:39 UTC | #903037

Carlinlives's Avatar Comment 17 by Carlinlives

Comment 15 by Ignorant Amos :

Comment 14 by Carlinlives

Yeah you're just a racist for pointing out facts. Oh wait. Islam isn't a race.

Lucky me I guess......wait a wee minute though, if it made me a racist for pointing out such atrocities that were carried out by a race on the basis of race, then I'm happy enough with the label. That's not the case, IMO.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I was being sarcastic and am in full agreement with you.

Tue, 27 Dec 2011 18:45:32 UTC | #903040

Carlinlives's Avatar Comment 18 by Carlinlives

Comment 16 by Sudipta Modak :

How many times Islam and its circumcised bastards have to prove that it's the evil most religion.

I guess it is because they sense other idiotic religions gaining on them in the Steeplechase of Fanaticism and need to apply the spurs to outrun them?

Tue, 27 Dec 2011 18:47:45 UTC | #903042

TeraBrat's Avatar Comment 19 by TeraBrat

Comment 3 by ANTIcarrot :

Comment 1 by Carlinlives : This religion needs to die.

Stop blaiming your favorite hated minority every time you see something you don't like. Killing someone based upon an accusation of adultery is a terrible thing. But it has nothing to do with islam. Whatever excuses or encouragement they may find in the quran, the actual origin of this morality comes from somewhere else. At best you're blaiming a reflection. At worst you're blaiming a diagnostic tool.

In either case you're being extremely foolish, and doing something that every famous athiest on this website has been telling you to not do for years.

  1. Islam is not a minority.
  2. Name one other religion or culture that has executed a woman for "adultery" in the last 100 years.
  3. This has every thing t do with Islam.

Tue, 27 Dec 2011 18:49:15 UTC | #903043

Peter Grant's Avatar Comment 20 by Peter Grant

Horrible to imagine this poor woman in prison all this time, probably being raped and beaten as well :(

I still think we should set up an A team. For rescue operations such as this and for arresting international criminals like the pope.

Tue, 27 Dec 2011 18:54:55 UTC | #903044

SleeveDagger's Avatar Comment 21 by SleeveDagger

I can't believe that people are still murdering each other because of sex. What is it that offends these people so much about female sexuality? This is nothing more then men trying to control women by using religion for their own sexual needs. Pathetic.

Tue, 27 Dec 2011 18:59:26 UTC | #903046

Ignorant Amos's Avatar Comment 22 by Ignorant Amos

Comment 17 by Carlinlives

....I was being sarcastic.....

I know ya were...I guess your moniker gave it away..}80)~

Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:02:49 UTC | #903047

nancynancy's Avatar Comment 23 by nancynancy

Is there a petition we can sign or anything we can do to help this poor woman?

Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:07:28 UTC | #903048

DefenderOfReason!'s Avatar Comment 24 by DefenderOfReason!

Comment 20 by Peter Grant :

I still think we should set up an A team. For rescue operations such as this and for arresting international criminals like the pope.

You can count me in!

Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:07:29 UTC | #903049

Tyler Durden's Avatar Comment 25 by Tyler Durden

Comment 24 by DefenderOfReason! :

Comment 20 by Peter Grant :

I still think we should set up an A team. For rescue operations such as this and for arresting international criminals like the pope.

You can count me in!

Same here!

"I love it when a plan comes together."

Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:17:19 UTC | #903052

Peter Grant's Avatar Comment 26 by Peter Grant

Cool! :D Got any military or special ops training? I have no such experience, though I am a fairly decent tracker and my other bush skills aren't bad, dunno how useful that will be.

Comment 24 by DefenderOfReason!

You can count me in!

Comment 25 by Tyler Durden

Same here!

"I love it when a plan comes together."

Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:22:11 UTC | #903053

Tyler Durden's Avatar Comment 27 by Tyler Durden

Comment 26 by Peter Grant :

Cool! :D Got any military or special ops training? I have no such experience, though I am a fairly decent tracker and my other bush skills aren't bad, dunno how useful that will be.

I think we need a 4th team member, Amos?

Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:27:03 UTC | #903056

Moderator's Avatar Comment 28 by Moderator

Comment 23 by nancynancy Is there a petition we can sign or anything we can do to help this poor woman?

There are several, nancynancy. Type 'Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani petition' into a search engine, and you'll find them. Worth keeping an eye on the Amnesty International website too. It seems they closed their last action for Sakineh at the end of November, but we're guessing they may well open it again in the light of this new development.

The Mods

Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:29:03 UTC | #903058

Geoff 21's Avatar Comment 29 by Geoff 21

This appears to be up and running...

http://freesakineh.org/

Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:30:34 UTC | #903059

AsylumWarden's Avatar Comment 30 by AsylumWarden

          [Comment 27](/articles/644368-sakineh-mohammadi-ashtiani-could-be-hanged-in-iran/comments?page=1#comment_903056) by  [Tyler Durden](/profiles/10658)          :


                 > [Comment 26](/articles/644368-sakineh-mohammadi-ashtiani-could-be-hanged-in-iran/comments?page=1#comment_903053) by  [Peter Grant](/profiles/51655) :> > Cool! :D Got any military or special ops training? I have no such experience, though I am a fairly decent tracker and my other bush skills aren't bad, dunno how useful that will be.> I think we need a 4th team member, Amos?

I'm a Jitsu instructor if that helps. Can I join?

Seriously though, all I saw from that article was them trying to say that they were being more humane by hanging her rather than stoning. Ignoring the inhumanity of her arrest in the first place. I'm just amazed by the fact that these inhuman b*stards can even think they're doing the right thing. But that's the evil of religion. My holy book says it is ok, therefore it is ok:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGHAFxwI2qU

Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:43:36 UTC | #903062