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Net's Avatar Comment 1 by Net

the women struck back, whipping them with their own canes before kicking them out to the street

. how fabulous is that!! they women strike back. that could be a very workable solution to the woes of the middle east. let the women take over.

Wed, 11 Jan 2012 05:56:52 UTC | #907162

CdnMacAtheist's Avatar Comment 2 by CdnMacAtheist

3 cheers to these brave women, who I hope won't suffer from retaliation from those nutters. Too bad these beauty salon workers didn't give these faith-heads a full shave and a pink hairdo.

Wed, 11 Jan 2012 07:13:07 UTC | #907170

Vicktor's Avatar Comment 3 by Vicktor

Comment 2 by CdnMacAtheist

They may be manhandled and subjected to virginity tests.

Wed, 11 Jan 2012 07:35:22 UTC | #907172

Vorlund's Avatar Comment 4 by Vorlund

I have heard muslims in Libya complain about how 'arsey' the women are in Egypt in other words they stand their ground. BRAVO! let the bastards have it!

Muslim men beaten by their women! Oh what a delight to the imagination just imagine their humiliation at being thrashed by defective and inferior women.

They should have completely humiliated them, shaved their beards and cut the arse out of their half mast trousers while they were at it.

Wed, 11 Jan 2012 07:36:21 UTC | #907173

Modesti's Avatar Comment 5 by Modesti

It is the time that women fight back. Go girls! I believe that is very important to cut violence in the beginning, there must be no waiting for it to spread. Bravo!

Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:03:19 UTC | #907177

Flapjack's Avatar Comment 6 by Flapjack

Wish there were more like these women... it's about time those zealots got a taste of their own medicine. I only hope they are braced for whatever reprisals come their way, but it would be nice to think this was the start of an Arab Spring suffragette movement.

Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:46:27 UTC | #907186

cheesedoff17's Avatar Comment 7 by cheesedoff17

Great fun, thumbs up for those feisty ladies!

Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:03:27 UTC | #907192

Richard Dawkins's Avatar Comment 8 by Richard Dawkins

Now that's real feminism! Well done. I have long agreed that women will turn out to be the key to solving the Islam problem.

Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:23:00 UTC | #907198

sunbeamforjeebus's Avatar Comment 9 by sunbeamforjeebus

That's what I call feminism in action! well done ladies.

Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:43:47 UTC | #907207

rod-the-farmer's Avatar Comment 10 by rod-the-farmer

Please dog let there be a video on YouTube...... hey, men !

Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:44:02 UTC | #907208

Veronique's Avatar Comment 11 by Veronique

Well, Richard. Quite frankly, women are the only ones that can solve the Islam problem. Statistically there are more of them:-)

I too love it when the underdogs stand up and bare their teeth (or canes).

Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:45:46 UTC | #907209

AtheistEgbert's Avatar Comment 12 by AtheistEgbert

There is a common concept called 'the slippery slope'. When you have a state dominant religion that is fundamentally anti-liberal, then sooner or later freedoms will erode away. All the optimism about the Arab Spring fails to take into account that these springs have all happened before, and the result is always the same--oppression and tyranny.

Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:28:57 UTC | #907221

Hellboy2's Avatar Comment 13 by Hellboy2

Fantastic! If only we could hear more of these instances.

Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:42:28 UTC | #907225

Flat Earth Society Godawful's Avatar Comment 14 by Flat Earth Society Godawful

Can't help thinking most of the comments so far are stating the bleedin' obvious. Of course it is good that they stood up for themselves, but is there not a possible downside? How many times in history has this kind of thing been manipulated as seditious and anti-establishment by the fanatics with the ear of many, and turned around to mobilise even more extreme oppression. Some caution is needed. Slowly-slowly-catchy-mohammadi. Glad to see some sanity / reality in C12.

Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:45:36 UTC | #907228

Premiseless's Avatar Comment 15 by Premiseless

Muslims themselves need a greater voice in respect of their situation. Their laws seem hell bent on absorbing testosterone within large populations. We need more female voices expressing their true thoughts and in large numbers - explicitly stating their feelings about their position and prospects. The trouble is, if god gets there first their heads are in fear of thinking for themselves. These are the the big nuts that needs cracking, so to speak!

Wed, 11 Jan 2012 11:04:41 UTC | #907235

Vicktor's Avatar Comment 16 by Vicktor

I think we're all missing something obvious here. These women may have objected to the particular interpretation of Sharia law that was enforced on them, but that's a far cry from renouncing or even acknowledging the overall stupidity of Islam and its practices. Wait a minute, Islam is essentially a practice!

Wed, 11 Jan 2012 11:46:05 UTC | #907259

lewis.breland's Avatar Comment 17 by lewis.breland

Fabulous! Unfortunately, I have a feeling that these ladies may have signed their death warrants. :(

Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:01:30 UTC | #907263

LucindaE's Avatar Comment 18 by LucindaE

Events like this are so necessary; the Western world needs to stop viewing injustices as 'just their culture' and realise that people are being seriously oppressed.

Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:39:12 UTC | #907282

potteryshard's Avatar Comment 19 by potteryshard

Can we get a wholesale deal on canes and begin shipping them to other Egyptian beauty salons?

Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:56:33 UTC | #907288

hellosnackbar's Avatar Comment 20 by hellosnackbar

What I can't abide about the cult that is Islam is that one is obliged to submit to all kinds of rules enforced by nitwits who believe that they have authority granted to them by imaginary Allah. Egypt has had a revolution to ridthemselves of a dictatorship and now look like they're heading into another elected fascist dictatorship.(based on the bollocks that is Islam) Is that the mental disease that inculcated Islam brings?

Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:17:39 UTC | #907300

Rich Wiltshir's Avatar Comment 21 by Rich Wiltshir

Extremists or an expeditionary force. This standing against the thugs is a welcome dawning.

I've seen Namazie talk: she's a potent speaker and leader. Like all the very best speakers, she knows her subject intimately and is equipped to clearly communicate the issues that threaten the health and welfare of billions. Truly, she's one of the greats amongst us - please let's see more of her.

Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:34:42 UTC | #907336

mlgatheist's Avatar Comment 22 by mlgatheist

It is time that in all countries where these "enforcers" of sharia "law" exist, there should be protectors of the individuals rights not to be shackled by caveman "laws".

Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:37:44 UTC | #907339

ukvillafan's Avatar Comment 23 by ukvillafan

          [Comment 11](/articles/644544-women-cane-morality-police/comments?page=1#comment_907209) by  [Veronique](/profiles/2710)          :


                 Well, Richard. Quite frankly, women are the only ones that can solve the Islam problem. Statistically there are more of them:-)I too love it when the underdogs stand up and bare their teeth (or canes).

You mean their can(e)ines?

Wed, 11 Jan 2012 15:10:39 UTC | #907355

wcapehart's Avatar Comment 24 by wcapehart

Dog Bites Man. Film at 11.

Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:45:06 UTC | #907394

sarith21's Avatar Comment 25 by sarith21

Y'know if the women involved would set up a paypal account or something for us to donate to, whether it be for security, legal fees, assault rilfes or whatever they want within reason, I'd bet a lot of us would happily donate to it. I know I would.

Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:51:20 UTC | #907397

alaskansee's Avatar Comment 26 by alaskansee

@ Byrneo - Violence and Humanism

Guess that's a pretty good answer, problem solved there is indeed just cause to resort to violence. The minimum required of course - don't go enjoying it!

Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:55:56 UTC | #907400

astro.nj's Avatar Comment 27 by astro.nj

Comment 8 by Richard Dawkins Now that's real feminism!

I understand the spirit behind that statement, but I just want to dispute the literal interpretation of that. In the sense, why should "feminism" get the credit for that (just as religion shouldnt get credit for any genuinely moral behaviour shown by humans)? Are we to believe that a remote town in the Nile Delta has an understanding of the feminist movement of the west and got the courage to rebel because of that understanding? No.. Its more likely that modernity egged them on, and they were just rebelling against tradition.. a tradition that required both men and women to play very specific gender roles because of the harsh environment and way of life humans had over the last several millenia. Upon the advent of modernity and a significant advance in the quality of life, feminism emerges as one of the rebellions against traditional gender roles. It focuses on just part of the story, views history through the lens of the present, and blames men for what it perceives as oppression through the ages, and has exacted a steep price on many men today. If you are wondering why you havent heard about this "steep price paid by men", well.. its for the same reason you havent heard about a man self-immolating himself in front of a courthouse in broad daylight in America in June 2011. Thats right.. he set himself on fire in public.. and an incident such as this should have been heard around the western world, let alone the US. After all, people know about the vietnamese buddhist monk who set himself on fire in 1963. But it didnt even make it to the national media here.. why? there's the power of feminism for you.

For starters, the lie of an oppressive patriarchy through the ages needs to be debunked, and you can hear it from GirlWritesWhat, a woman who's on a quest for gender equality. Whats really needed is a "gender transition movement" (as suggested by Warren Farrell), that pays heed to both genders' traditional roles, and works out an equitable deal for both. I really hope that the evidence and knowledge oriented people in our atheist movement take the time to study this dispassionately. Do remember, all ideologies should fundamentally be viewed with skepticism and suspicion, simply because they arent grounded in our best tool - science - and feminism is just another ideology.

Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:12:17 UTC | #907408

Bipedal Primate's Avatar Comment 28 by Bipedal Primate

Comment 8 by Richard Dawkins :

Now that's real feminism! Well done. I have long agreed that women will turn out to be the key to solving the Islam problem.

It's actually been prophecized that women will be the key to solving the Islam problem, Professor Dawkins. In a film called 'The Matrix - Revolutions' the meme/mind virus of the Prophet Mohammed, represented by Agent Smith, is defeated by The Oracle, a black woman of wisdom and intuition. But it's Neo/Jesus, western civilization and the 'islamophobes' within it, who activates her. Somehow. I find it somewhat depressing that Neo has to let Agent Smith/Mohammed islamize him to make it happen, though. I don't think I'm ready for that...

Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:22:45 UTC | #907411

Layla's Avatar Comment 29 by Layla

Comment 27 by astro.nj : No.. Its more likely that modernity egged them on, and they were just rebelling against tradition.. a tradition that required both men and women to play very specific gender roles because of the harsh environment and way of life humans had over the last several millenia.

That's what feminism is!

Upon the advent of modernity and a significant advance in the quality of life, feminism emerges as one of the rebellions against traditional gender roles. It focuses on just part of the story, views history through the lens of the present, and blames men for what it perceives as oppression through the ages, and has exacted a steep price on many men today.

It blames men for the oppression of women? What madness! Next they'll be blaming Europeans for the slave trade!

For starters, the lie of an oppressive patriarchy through the ages needs to be debunked,

The lie of an oppressive patriarchy through the ages? You would need to whitewash the entire history of the world to convince an objective observer that women have not been oppressed by patriarchal societies through the ages. Try reading the above article without your own idealogical blinkers on and you will see blatant evidence of the oppression of women by a patriarchal society.

Do remember, all ideologies should fundamentally be viewed with skepticism and suspicion, simply because they arent grounded in our best tool - science - and feminism is just another ideology.

Feminists differ in their individual views, their individual prejudices and their individual level of ignorance or education. But anyone who believes men and women are equal and who opposes the oppression of women is a feminist in my opinion. There may certainly be feminists who are flawed but the fact that they're a feminist isn't one of them.

Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:36:22 UTC | #907415

LaurieB's Avatar Comment 30 by LaurieB

astro.nj

You've never lived in an Islamic country have you..that's obvious. They are the very example of everything that feminists have fought against. Under Islam women are owned in every sense of the word by the males of their families that are directly related to them. First by their fathers and then ownership of a daughter is transferred to her husband on the wedding day. Money exchanges hands and as soon as the marriage is consummated then the legal transfer is complete. Her every movement is scrutinized. She is not free in any sense. Her primary purpose is to provide offspring for her husband and to serve his every need. He has the right in Islam to beat her for even suspicion of wrongdoing. As I have posted previously, these women are backed into a corner and they need international help to get out. Some are aware that they are in a bad situation relative to women in the west but many don't have any idea what freedoms they are denied and others are just confused and frightened when I try to explain the situation to them. This whole problem is very complicated

and there are certain factors that make it resistant to easy solutions.

Instead of issuing proclamations that are based on a whole lot of nothing, why not ask questions and try to get a real understanding of what these women are up against and what the American and European feminists are doing to help them.

A cultural point that came to mind. I'm quite sure that the men of the family of those women who own the salon enjoy the income that they provide. Unrelated men who interact just a little too much with the women of another family are suspected immediately of impropriety and I tend to think that the salon women will rally their own men into action and this will be dealt with in a traditional tribal way. The reason that women are allowed to own and work in beauty salons is because there are no men hanging around. Another strong defense for these women is that the first wife of prophet Mo was a merchant! This is common knowledge and hopefully they will make good use of it. There is no problem with beating and physical violence there. It is to be expected.

Wed, 11 Jan 2012 18:24:49 UTC | #907430