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drumdaddy's Avatar Comment 1 by drumdaddy

I will never reject "the sacred". I will, however, reject the supernatural, utter nonsense, lies, tyranny, and blind allegiance to all of these. Rejected. I hereby blaspheme. God is nothing but a bad idea, and an old debunked one at that.

Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:23:15 UTC | #912770

Mr DArcy's Avatar Comment 2 by Mr DArcy

An interesting essay. It argues and shows that "blasphemy" has nothing to do with God, and all to do with more temporal powers. Otherwise why would the ruling class need any such law(s)? The less the workers think of themselves as workers, and the more they can think of themselves as e.g. Christian, Jewish, Muslims, British, German, American, and a million other sub categories, the more likely are they to accept the status quo. No wonder our rulers encourage religion, as and when it suits them, to keep us in our place!

Poor old God is well out of the equation!

Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:51:52 UTC | #912779

prettygoodformonkeys's Avatar Comment 3 by prettygoodformonkeys

Religions are failed sciences.

Mon, 30 Jan 2012 20:08:46 UTC | #912789

BigJohn's Avatar Comment 4 by BigJohn

Is the word you want sacred or scared?

Mon, 30 Jan 2012 20:41:35 UTC | #912798

DLJ's Avatar Comment 5 by DLJ

Truth often is blasphemous. And truth often hurts.

Mon, 30 Jan 2012 20:47:09 UTC | #912802

Schrodinger's Cat's Avatar Comment 6 by Schrodinger's Cat

I can't think of a bigger 'blasphemy' than anyone thinking they speak for and on behalf of God. That surely has to be the ultimate act of blasphemous arrogance. A point utterly lost on all those who kill, oppress, and imprison in the name of religion.

Mon, 30 Jan 2012 21:07:33 UTC | #912809

JHJEFFERY's Avatar Comment 7 by JHJEFFERY

Comment 4 by BigJohn

is the word you want sacred or scared?

I once wrote a piece on the role of fear in belief systems called "Scared Sacred." :)

I cannot read a piece like this without thinking about the brilliant essay PZ Myers wrote to accompany his desecration of the eucharist. Well worth another read. You can find it on Pharyngula. It ends like this:

"By the way, I didn't want to single out just the cracker, so I nailed it to a few ripped-out pages from the Qur'an and The God Delusion. They are just paper. Nothing must be held sacred. Question everything. God is not great, Jesus is not your lord, you are not disciples of any charismatic prophet. You are all human beings who must make your way through your life by thinking and learning, and you have the job of advancing humanity's knowledge by winnowing out the errors of past generations and finding deeper understanding of reality. You will not find wisdom in rituals and sacraments and dogma, which build only self-satisfied ignorance, but you can find truth by looking at your world with fresh eyes and a questioning mind."

Mon, 30 Jan 2012 22:04:21 UTC | #912833

Mrkimbo's Avatar Comment 8 by Mrkimbo

For me, a scientific pantheist, the natural world is sacred. If someone claims that the natural world does not exist or is 'evil' or whatever, I will simply cock an amused eyebrow. If religious types were truly sure that their gods, spirits etc. were real, so would they when given similar provocation - but deep in their heart they know it's all bulldust, which is why they squeal on in endless indignation, like pigs who have sat on a pin.

Mon, 30 Jan 2012 22:30:20 UTC | #912841

tboulay's Avatar Comment 9 by tboulay

Freedom of speech & Freedom of expression are the only things I would call sacred.

Our civilisation depends on these freedoms, before these were accepted as values were the dark ages, people speaking up, criticising dogma, following evidence to the truth is what made us what we are.

Without these freedoms, we are Saudi Arabia.

ya, I'd say they're 'Sacred'

Mon, 30 Jan 2012 22:38:02 UTC | #912842

rationalmind's Avatar Comment 10 by rationalmind

Mon, 30 Jan 2012 22:39:38 UTC | #912844

pittige maki's Avatar Comment 11 by pittige maki

comment 2 by MrDarcy : correct, that's why Napoleon said that religion is the only reason that the slaves restrained from cutting the throat of their masters.

Mon, 30 Jan 2012 22:48:24 UTC | #912847

Border Collie's Avatar Comment 12 by Border Collie

Wait for the last thing Hazel Motes says in this clip and you'll know my thoughts on religion and blasphemy ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt_nSL1Hw1s

In short, blasphemy laws are for professional victims and crybabies and for those with unquenchable control issues..

Very good short little article ...

http://grunes.wordpress.com/2007/11/07/wise-blood-john-huston-1979/

And this ...

http://www.brightlightsfilm.com/65/65wiseblood.php

Tue, 31 Jan 2012 01:47:03 UTC | #912911

Vorlund's Avatar Comment 13 by Vorlund

Blasphemy is a persistent relic of an early form of censorship.

Blasphemy laws achieve 2 things, a tool to crush dissent and legitimate criticism and a weapon to wield in the faces of those whose criticisms make the religious feel like the imbeciles they really are.

No different at all to the thought control police of totalitarian fascist and communist states. The irony is that while most western governments could see the danger in state censorship they fail to see it when it appears in the same sentence as religion.

Tue, 31 Jan 2012 07:49:34 UTC | #912968

Stafford Gordon's Avatar Comment 14 by Stafford Gordon

Blasphemy stems directly from the dank infertile soil of superstition; but at least it's victimless crime.

An excellent and enlightening article Mr Zara.

Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:53:28 UTC | #912981

SaganTheCat's Avatar Comment 15 by SaganTheCat

blasphemy laws can't exist in any democracy because by definition they can't be tested.

any law that demands silence on a subject is a tyrannical law. to question the law is to break it

doesn't matter if those who wish to enforce such laws are true believers or not, they know it's a guarantee of power

Tue, 31 Jan 2012 11:51:12 UTC | #913006

Odalrich's Avatar Comment 16 by Odalrich

Power and religion always go hand in hand. When Napoleon proclaimed himself First Consul the first thing he did was to restore most of the rights of the Church, that the Republic had abolished, arguing that a people without religion is very difficult to rule, and he added that people could do without God but not without religion. Yes, indeed, religion only supports the established power in order to get the most of it. Dictators have always sought the support of the local religion, and Communist dictators turned their ideology into a religion. Poor old God has been out of business for quite a long time.

Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:53:45 UTC | #913111

JHJEFFERY's Avatar Comment 17 by JHJEFFERY

BTW, the key sentence in the PZ passage was bolded in his original post:

Nothing must be held sacred

Tue, 31 Jan 2012 18:24:13 UTC | #913127

Stick In Mudd's Avatar Comment 18 by Stick In Mudd

I would say pass the blasphemy laws, if it gets all religions to shut up!

But I know better than that and the cartoon presented is a dream always out of reach. For in reality, religions would be mob-attacking each other on a daily bases for supposed offenses, all the while innocent people injured or possibly killed caught in the middle of their madness.

It's sick and disturbing that the majority of humans hold the view that forms of idolatry and the belief in fairy tales is something sacred. If 'Jack and Bean Stock' was in the bible, and suddenly no one could say anything bad or disrespectful about magic beans without fear of threats, we would call that ludicrous nonsense.

But today we have people that think a 'perfect man', who led a perfect life, that talked to an angel, and also flew up to heaven on a horse, that if we make fun of that, or disrespect that, it would be a punishable offense. Punishable enough all the way to death. This is madness. I am offended from this. I want it to stop and I will do everything I can to put a stop to this.

Wed, 01 Feb 2012 08:28:33 UTC | #913350

Border Collie's Avatar Comment 19 by Border Collie

Religion today is designed to keep people stupid and compliant for economic and political exploitation exactly like it was utilized to keep native Americans stupid and compliant for military exploitation. And, guess what ... it still works. Religion and economics/politics are inextricably linked and enmeshed. How can anyone believe the pronouncements of today's voodoo economics and the criminal behavior of its obscenely wealthy clergy without first being lobotomized by religion?! "Blasphemy" threatens the entire system, for to blaspheme the jelly doughnut in the sky is to blaspheme the clergy is to blaspheme the corporation is to blaspheme the bank is to blaspheme Wall Street is to blaspheme the government. Therefore, we have a tough row to hoe.

Wed, 01 Feb 2012 23:08:34 UTC | #913615

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