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ridelo's Avatar Comment 1 by ridelo

Organised paranoia?

Sat, 04 Feb 2012 20:44:52 UTC | #914636

strangebrew's Avatar Comment 2 by strangebrew

Comment 1 by ridelo

Organised paranoia?

Organised religion more like!

Sat, 04 Feb 2012 21:19:24 UTC | #914651

msloane's Avatar Comment 3 by msloane

Bordering on general anarchy.

Sat, 04 Feb 2012 22:10:23 UTC | #914665

rationalmind's Avatar Comment 4 by rationalmind

It is basically hostility to anything new or different. Common to a lot of right wing thinkers of certain kinds. Not all right-wing thinkers of course. It is associated with a lack of a personality dimension called Openness to Experience and negatively correlated with IQ. Mad as hatters this Tea Party lot eh:-)

Of course those are just the kind of people to be tied to relgious tradition . Tea-vangelism at its worst.

It would be interesting to know if those who escape religion have different psychological traits. I didn't escape I always knew it was rubbish even when I was exposed as a kid. Some people are definitely more sceptical to start with.

It may be the cognitive deficits that lead to joining ultraa conservative consiracy groups are just an extrem wend of religious vulnerabilities.

Sat, 04 Feb 2012 22:11:14 UTC | #914666

Alan4discussion's Avatar Comment 5 by Alan4discussion

There is a sort of right-wing tradition among impoverished forelock doffing peasants, who consider themselves superior in a snobbish way, by association with an elite or aristocrats. It is as if snobbish superiority would rub off by association within various forms of cliques. (churches, golf clubs, racing events, political bodies etc) This seems to be particularly so in rural areas.

Sat, 04 Feb 2012 22:53:54 UTC | #914679

GPWC's Avatar Comment 6 by GPWC

The thing about campaigning is that there is now more than enough 'evidence' to convince anyone who wants to be conviced that anything is true. We live in an age of 'conspiracy theory gone mad'. Conspiracy theories are also usually taken up by the educated middle class and this gives them all the more weight.

It's not as if many (or any?) of these people really understand any of the science behind global warming, but they have convinced themselves there is a cover up going on and that is enough.

And I don't think it is exclusively 'right wing'. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that most conspiracy theories eg about the Jews or The Bilderberg Group or the Masons or the bankers etc are more of the left than the right.

Sat, 04 Feb 2012 23:13:38 UTC | #914684

Lonard's Avatar Comment 7 by Lonard

Oooonly in America!

Sat, 04 Feb 2012 23:40:26 UTC | #914687

potteryshard's Avatar Comment 8 by potteryshard

It's what I call the little-old-lady syndrome. (Not that the ranks of the disgruntled aren't well populated with little old men too.) No one is allowed to do anything that hasn't been done before. By far the most important criteria for any project is that the payoff absolutely must occur within the planning horizon of the little old lady protesters... Anything with a payoff for the future is forbidden.

Sun, 05 Feb 2012 00:10:55 UTC | #914694

Border Collie's Avatar Comment 9 by Border Collie

Beauty is only skin deep, but stupid goes all the way to the bone.

Sun, 05 Feb 2012 00:50:26 UTC | #914706

Border Collie's Avatar Comment 10 by Border Collie

As a cyclist, I resent people going out of their way to make cyclists even more miserable on the streets by undermining typically very low cost ways to make cycling safer and easier. I've never understood the problem vehicle drivers have with cyclists here. As you might expect, it can be very bad in Texas. I guess they're fat, stupid and unhappy while I'm not.

Sun, 05 Feb 2012 01:31:08 UTC | #914716

Eyerish's Avatar Comment 11 by Eyerish

Ahhh you gotta hand it to the Tea Baggers - sorry Tea Party. Watch a few episodes of the 'X Files' and form your policies around conspiricy theories. After all the 'Aliens' and the 'Smoking Man' in the 'X Files' are just subliminal code for the UN right (everyone knows that!!)? What a winning strategy!! They want all the benefits of "clean air and water" but decry how it is to be achieved so that it is ongoing (sustainable). What is their proposal on how to achieve these aims - at least for this generation let alone future generations? I know!! Their plan is to have one of their candidates or some other Republican elected President and all the worlds woes will be solved by that one action!! How will this new President achieve all of this you ask? He will issue and executive order that all Americans must wear rose coloured glasses and sing 'La La La La' everytime someone asks where the metaphorical 'milk and honey' is actually going to come from. He will then declare that he will achieve small government by abolishing Congress and the Senate and make executive decisions based on his love of the Lord - the perfect Tea Party President. Now that's what I call a conspiracy!!

Sun, 05 Feb 2012 04:53:31 UTC | #914747

Roedy's Avatar Comment 12 by Roedy

Americans have a romantic notion that freedom means doing whatever the hell you feel like, screw the neighbours or anyone else. Such freedom was possible when the nearest neighbour was 10 km away, but today, everything anyone does affects everyone else.

You simply can't behave like an asshole, wasting resources, polluting, making loud noise and expect your neighbours to stand idly by. This childish notion of "freedom" also represents the corporate attitude, mine and leave the tailings for someone else to clean up. Poison people's water supply. Let them figure out what to do about it. If corporations were people as Romney asserts, they would be sociopaths.

It is also movie morality, that celebrates deliberately annoying others.

It is a toxic view that is leading the USA into a sort of autoimmune fdisease rejection of itself.

Sun, 05 Feb 2012 10:51:01 UTC | #914777

strangebrew's Avatar Comment 13 by strangebrew

The morality and attitude of USA is indeed akin to an auto-immune rejection of itself....

It has so much to offer the world in technology and product but alienates world markets by self protectionism.

They get all hand in front of mouth aghast at a 'naughty' word on TV or...aka.. an Oprah revelation of someone's sexuality or penchant for bicycle seat sniffing...yet every campus football team has a cheerleaders pack of nubile scantily dressed schoolgirls twirling their thing. Which is apparently every college girls dream of America...according to 'Buffy the vampire slayer' anyway's ! A trait which is paraded over and over at the Superbowl every year where sometimes a flash of mammary flesh is the equivalent of striding purposely through the gates of hell...even when a man deliberately exposes those belonging to someone else without a word being said against him but the approbation and hatred of a whole network against the exposee. So morally schizophrenic it makes the eyes water.

This nonsense about conspiracy is just the liars for jeebus mainly...seeing as most are tied to right wing politics and big business...and the vested interest is to not incur extra costs of clearing up after their profit is made.

Sheeple led by weasels and fat toads...simple as that.

Sun, 05 Feb 2012 12:46:14 UTC | #914792

SheilaC's Avatar Comment 14 by SheilaC

I have the sneaking suspicion that the people who put out the anti-green propaganda despise these people far more than we do.

Sun, 05 Feb 2012 13:44:55 UTC | #914801

brighterstill's Avatar Comment 15 by brighterstill

The Tea Party movement is a cancer that feeds on its own invented paranoia.

Sun, 05 Feb 2012 18:11:55 UTC | #914840

smitemeifudare's Avatar Comment 16 by smitemeifudare

Is there something in the water in the USA that makes people stupid? Very probably, since they started fracking, but even before then,were the governments of the paranoid 50s experimenting with mind control drugs, unleashing them on the population?There must be an explanation for the general level of religiotardedness in america.I can understand the flesh revulsion though, with so many useless fat gobby yanks running round,the thought of revealing whats under the clothes must hit a raw nerve,so that even when a good looking woman shows it, its triggered.The tea baggers are to stupid to see that they are being manipulated by corporate interests, they are the Victor Meldrews of america, sat around congratulating themselves that they have not yet had the good grace to drop dead,and complaining at anything that is outside their comfort zone,like inteligence,tolerance and common sense.

Sun, 05 Feb 2012 18:13:16 UTC | #914841

zengardener's Avatar Comment 17 by zengardener

I have an idea.


The roads that lead through the country are sustained by the centralized government and paid for by fat cats, corporations, and densely populated cities. If funding for roads and especially highways were allocated in a more strict free market way, people would be forced to drive on rough, twisting dirt-roads unless they lived in cities. Maintaining rural roads is a serious problem compounded by rising oil prices. Cut this funding, and the only people who will live in the country will be farmers, and tourists visiting the wilderness.


The cost to maintain power to the diminishing population of the countryside will quickly begin to outstrip the profit made in selling such electricity. This will be compounded by the lack of roads. The next time an ice storm hits Nebraska, the people will have to wait until it all thaws and the roads dry out before the repair trucks can manage the way down the twisting dirt roads to repair power lines that do not really profit the electric company.


Without the U.S.P.S. policy of delivering a package anywhere in the U.S. at a relatively flat rate, the private carriers could, and probably would increase their rates to reflect the cost of delivery to the increasingly desolate boondocks.

These policies would go a long way toward protecting the environment as well.

Sun, 05 Feb 2012 22:55:12 UTC | #914905

Stafford Gordon's Avatar Comment 18 by Stafford Gordon

Ignorance personified!

From the picture I'd guess that they're the usual suspects; complacent, with more money than sense.

A bit of judicious reading might help; but it's probably too late.

Mon, 06 Feb 2012 08:01:25 UTC | #914971

kraut's Avatar Comment 19 by kraut

BlockquoteThe Tea Party people say they want nonpolluted air and clean water and everything we promote and support, but they also say it’s a communist movement,” said Charlotte Moore, a supervisor who voted yes. “I really don’t understand what they want

Logical thinking was never part of the Teabagger movement.

Mon, 06 Feb 2012 09:38:52 UTC | #914986

Sharpur's Avatar Comment 20 by Sharpur

Comment 16 by smitemeifudare :

Is there something in the water in the USA that makes people stupid?

Let's not make the mistake of assuming that a noisy minority are all there is to US public opinion, we know that that is not the case, just from visiting this website. Also, labeling the whole nation as "stupid" plays right into the paranoia of these people.

"A United Nations conspiracy" though is a head-spinner. it really must require a special effort of faith to believe that the UN is capable of conspiring about anything. They cannot currently agree that it's a bad thing for the Syrian government to be shelling their own population! I'd be more willing to believe in conspiracy of (hungry) spiders!

Mon, 06 Feb 2012 12:23:44 UTC | #915004

Tintern's Avatar Comment 21 by Tintern

Comment#1 @ridelo "Organised paranoia?"

More so than you think. The Tea-Party is no grassroots organisation of the great unwashed. Founding it, pushing its buttons, funding it and directing its activities are the Koch brothers (pronounced Coke). They are ultra rightwing billionaires pursuing the usual goals of no income tax, no social welfare, abolition of all gun control You name it, they're for everything to bring back the old divide of the rich in their fortresses and everyonoe else working for bread and water in the pits. Get rid of the "liberal" middle classes and you get rid of the annoying peole in society who think about social justice and practical matters like funding the infrastructure and holding politicians and business leaders accountable, in particular for those irritating things lke civil and workers' rights. The ultimate irony is the masses who do their bidding will suffer like never before if they get their way as fullly as they hope to.

Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:22:39 UTC | #915059