This site is not maintained. Click here for the new website of Richard Dawkins.

← Cardinal Edward Egan Just Withdrew His Apology for the Catholic Sex-Abuse Scandal

Cardinal Edward Egan Just Withdrew His Apology for the Catholic Sex-Abuse Scandal - Comments

calvinchan's Avatar Comment 1 by calvinchan

It sticks in my craw that these people exist.

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:10:58 UTC | #915875

peter mayhew's Avatar Comment 2 by peter mayhew

What was it that Steven Weinberg said....? For good people to do evil things......

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:16:17 UTC | #915878

Tyler Durden's Avatar Comment 3 by Tyler Durden

Egan also claimed that the Church had no obligation to report abuse to the civil authorities.

These people are sub-human.

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:24:06 UTC | #915881

Outcast in Zion's Avatar Comment 4 by Outcast in Zion

Why aren't these people in jail?

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:43:52 UTC | #915884

Ignorant Amos's Avatar Comment 5 by Ignorant Amos

The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.....literally.

Nothing I read about this shite surprises me anymore. He's an oxygen thief and the sooner he stops thieving oxygen from the rest of us, the world will be a better place.

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:44:29 UTC | #915885

jhm's Avatar Comment 6 by jhm

Not sure how the absence of contrition is any worse than patently insincere contrition...

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:46:43 UTC | #915887

John P's Avatar Comment 7 by John P

The Pope got to him. He had to recant his apology, to make the Church look good in pending litigation. Apologies are seen as admissions of culpability in courtrooms.

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:50:11 UTC | #915888

SaganTheCat's Avatar Comment 8 by SaganTheCat

Comment 3 by Tyler Durden :

Egan also claimed that the Church had no obligation to report abuse to the civil authorities.

These people are sub-human.

only a rougue state or criminal organization would say such a thing

of course the vatican is both

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:59:28 UTC | #915889

Sean_W's Avatar Comment 9 by Sean_W

In the interview he talks about controlling someone. Is he talking about molesters?

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:00:12 UTC | #915890

bodleian's Avatar Comment 10 by bodleian

This pompous, overbearing, supercillious,,paedo protector is so typical of the catholic hierarchy in their oblivion to the universal condemnation of their cover ups for these abominable crimes. The hole just gets bigger.

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:10:33 UTC | #915892

AtheistEgbert's Avatar Comment 11 by AtheistEgbert

Typical self-righteous delusion; ignorant of the evil that is spread in the name of Catholicism. It is no longer acceptable to be so willfully ignorant; it is a kind of evil in itself.

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:13:33 UTC | #915894

DLJ's Avatar Comment 12 by DLJ

Comment 3 by Tyler Durden :

Egan also claimed that the Church had no obligation to report abuse to the civil authorities.

These people are sub-human.

But, sadly, human they still are.

This guy in the frock, I’m guessing is trying to set the record crooked before applying for the top job when it next becomes available.
The holier than thou attitude that led to these cover-ups is beyond shameful… but on the wider note, can anyone shed light… I’ve been pondering this for a while (inconclusively): If, as some believe, a propensity towards belief in the supernatural, as evolved from our ancestor’s tendency to react to unexpected movement / shadows (and failing to do so meant being the wrong end of an enjoyable lunch) + the survival benefits of following the herd / pack / crowd and respecting authority figures = religion; then, what are Atheists?
Are we more highly evolved beings who used to have these tendencies but have put away childish things or are we the children of the lucky ones that did not realise they had to run but by luck, did not get munched. Well, the distribution of atheism and a touch of arrogance imply the former, I like to think.

I can also understand the evolutionary benefits of mating with young healthy adults and also that attraction to pre-pubescents is likely to be a “misfiring” and an evolutionary dead end.

But there does seem to be a correlation between the afore-mentioned authority figures and said attraction to the young. Or is there? Is it simply about enjoyment of power and control?
Does anyone know of any studies that show the distribution of paedophilia across social strata cross-referenced against religious belief (or otherwise)?

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:18:29 UTC | #915896

Steve Zara's Avatar Comment 13 by Steve Zara

Comment 3 by Tyler Durden

Egan also claimed that the Church had no obligation to report abuse to the civil authorities.

These people are sub-human.

But, according to his faith, he's right. The Pope has divine authority, direct from creator of 100 billion galaxies. The very Big Bang itself is a sign of the Pope's power to tell others what to do. Our puny and misguided human laws are as insignificant compared to what the Pope says as a gnat in a hurricane. Our laws last at most centuries, whereas the declarations of the Pope are true for all eternity.

The Catholic hierarchy can, because of this, sin grossly and egregiously, and then forgive itself through the power of God. There is nothing that the Church cannot do and then forgive itself. It is forever protected from human law by its own doctrines. It's the ultimate moral hazard, it's infinite corruption. Torture? Forgiven. Child rape? Forgive.

This is why the Catholic Church has to be eradicated. It's evil beyond measure.

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:30:08 UTC | #915900

EvN's Avatar Comment 14 by EvN

This needs to be published much more widely than just this one paper.

I have sent links to the local papers and I hope they run with this as well.

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:36:56 UTC | #915901

LucindaE's Avatar Comment 15 by LucindaE

Comment 12 by DLJ

...But there does seem to be a correlation between the afore-mentioned authority figures and said attraction to the young. Or is there? Is it simply about enjoyment of power and control?

Interesting question. I've always simply thought that - given there is such a correlation - active paedophiles are simply more likely to go for jobs which will put them in a position of unquestioned authority over the young. Jobs that the church has provided quite nicely for them. But you're right, there are alternative explanations.

Of these, one more depressing one is that those paedophiles who were caught are a vast minority and there are in fact many more in not-so-authoritarian positions.

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:40:25 UTC | #915902

Vorlund's Avatar Comment 16 by Vorlund

Anyone who can delude himself with a fairy story and not clock the fact by the time he is an old man is probably a congenital pseudologue. Priests, politicians and laxative salemen have much in common when it comes to obscuring the truth under a barrage of shit.

His mug shot should appear everywhere with the word 'liar' under it.

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:47:51 UTC | #915904

pittige maki's Avatar Comment 17 by pittige maki

don't forget that the man who write this paper is a catholic, when it's come to the ultimate choice he shall choose for the eternal church with eternal power. He underestimate his own indoctrination. He saw this top of an iceberg as forgivable and temporary misstep of people between god and human kind.

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:49:35 UTC | #915906

JHJEFFERY's Avatar Comment 18 by JHJEFFERY

Comment 7 by John P

The Pope got to him. He had to recant his apology, to make the Church look good in pending litigation. Apologies are seen as admissions of culpability in courtrooms

Yes, but it's still admissible. Now he has to explain why he made the admission in the first place and what factors motivated him to recant.

Comment 13 by Steve Zara

Steve, if I didn't know you better I would say a large part of that comment is sarcasm. :) But it's good sarcasm.

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:57:16 UTC | #915910

DLJ's Avatar Comment 19 by DLJ

Comment 15 by LucindaE

"Of these, one more depressing one is that those paedophiles who were caught are a vast minority and there are in fact many more in not-so-authoritarian positions"

Thanks for the reply.

So, does that mean, given that power and control are not the only factors, and following some future fMRI observations, that we can look forward to a headline... "Proof! Causal Link Between Religion and Immorality Found!"

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:01:29 UTC | #915912

Obi wan kolobi's Avatar Comment 20 by Obi wan kolobi

For evil people to commit evil under the umbrella of "good", there is no better vehicle than religion. Here we have a power hungry narcissist who did nothing about child sexual abuse, but punished those priests that didn't show him due deference. He freely admits his apology was made under durress, and once the pressure is off, he feels he can recant his apology. And he can say it all with a straight face dressed like a medieval jester and be taken seriously by milliions. Some days, I can just hang my head in disgust and wonder, WTF.

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:05:18 UTC | #915913

Alan4discussion's Avatar Comment 21 by Alan4discussion

He also claimed that the Church had no obligation to report abuse to the civil authorities.

These are lies, strutting around with pride.

The Church is required to report abuse, according to laws on the books since the 1970s.

Bishop Egan ran a diocese that was notoriously dangerous for children. Contrary to his claim, during his twelve-year enthronement at Bridgeport, Egan repeatedly failed to investigate priests where there were obvious signs of abuse, according to The Hartford Courant.

Just the usual assertions that the church is above the civil law and a law unto its self!

“I never had one of these sex abuse cases.”

His diocese had to settle the cases and awarded victims some $12-15 million in damages.

So they have paid out damages on the cases he "never had" ! .... or could that be, " The cases he negligently ignored and covered up" ?

So the original apology was only lip service! No sincerity involved! - Just expediency until political climate has cooled, then back to self-important airs of superior indifference to abuse of humans, while promoting the same old destructive doGma! Liars for Jebus unlimited!

You see - The priests are now likely to be innocent - having confessed and been absolved of their sins!

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:16:01 UTC | #915914

The Jersey Devil's Avatar Comment 22 by The Jersey Devil

An argument can be made that presidential candidate Newt Gingrich has aligned himself with the Catholic hierarchy.

How disturbing is that?

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:17:54 UTC | #915915

GPWC's Avatar Comment 23 by GPWC

Incredible - I've just been sent this quote from George Orwell and I can post it here immediately!

"A totalitarian state is in effect a theocracy, and its ruling caste, in order to keep its position, has to be thought of as infallible. But since, in practice, no one is infallible, it is frequently necessary to rearrange past events in order to show that this or that mistake was not made, or that this or that imaginary triumph actually happened. Then again, every major change in policy demands a corresponding change of doctrine and a revelation of prominent historical figures. This kind of thing happens everywhere, but is clearly likelier to lead to outright falsification in societies where only one opinion is permissible at any given moment. Totalitarianism demands, in fact, the continuous alteration of the past, and in the long run probably demands a disbelief in the very existence of objective truth".

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:21:09 UTC | #915942

Sample's Avatar Comment 24 by Sample

My head just exploded.

Mike

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:54:32 UTC | #915953

achromat666's Avatar Comment 25 by achromat666

Aside from the fact that his entire position seems to rest on the equivalent of him closing his ears to the facts and going lalalalalalalalala over and over again it truly boggles the mind to see someone being so openly reprehensilbe in light of the how much the church has been affected by this.

I mean I know they specialize in being delusional and but dammit...

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:55:33 UTC | #915954

Quine's Avatar Comment 26 by Quine

Glad he did this; it's more evidence that he is part of the problem, not the solution.

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:59:02 UTC | #915958

potteryshard's Avatar Comment 27 by potteryshard

If anyone thinks that it is only Islam that manipulates law and issues bare-faced lies in support of it's organizational self interest, here is a glaring counter-example. Of course anyone wiling to be photographed in a gold-encrusted bejewelled silk robe and funny hat isn't exactly a paragon of rationality, responsibility, or respect for us commoners... What am I thinking?

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:09:42 UTC | #915963

Mr DArcy's Avatar Comment 28 by Mr DArcy

It's a toss up between the fanatical Muslims and the RCC bully bhoys as to which gets me angrier! Alright Catholics don't, as yet, send missionaries out on suicide attacks, but they sure as hell like to dominate their adherents, mentally, physically and sexually. This creeping piece of flesh calls itself a man? What a piece of work is he! This stinking bishop, for whom the abuse scandal is so yesterday, yesterday and yesterday, apparently has no regard for his fellow humans!

I'm sure this type of bar steward would actually enjoy the lighting of the flames underneath the likes of me, - given the chance!

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:17:20 UTC | #915967

alaskansee's Avatar Comment 29 by alaskansee

I hope this helps the blinkered Americans as they stumble towards a presidential vote. Whatever the catholic church says is lies.

Certainly no reason to let them avoid employment law (female contraception) in their large service providing institutions.

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:58:06 UTC | #915984

zengardener's Avatar Comment 30 by zengardener

Comment 7 by John P

I think you hit the nail on the head.

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:14:28 UTC | #915993