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Agrajag's Avatar Comment 1 by Agrajag

Breathless laughter!
Steve

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:39:50 UTC | #918714

snail-12's Avatar Comment 2 by snail-12

Complete, utter drivel. Nuf said.

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:40:48 UTC | #918716

Cook@Tahiti's Avatar Comment 3 by Cook@Tahiti

Sounds like he hasn't heard any of the counter-arguments over the last six years to the same tired old spiel. We've heard this line of attack repeated ad nauseum.

The internet is supposed to accelerate the spread of ideas. But sometimes it seems like it reveals stagnation in thought i.e. there's no forward progress in what's supposed to be an ongoing dialogue. This article could be from 2006 when The God Delusion was first published.

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:41:45 UTC | #918717

lol mahmood's Avatar Comment 4 by lol mahmood

I counted 14 lies, misrepresentations and fallacies. Is this really the work of the second most intelligent man in Britain'? Perhaps Britain really is broken.

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:43:58 UTC | #918718

Schrodinger's Cat's Avatar Comment 5 by Schrodinger's Cat

Dear me......I truly worry about the nation when I see such utter tripe posing as journalism.

It wouldn't be so bad if it was good tripe......satire even. But no, it's pure lies and one wonders just how many of Richard Dawkins books this Telegraph journalist has actually read, or TV appearances he's seen.

I have never once seen Richard Dawkins be 'noisy' in any debate. In fact he comes across as rather quiet and soft spoken....and I'm the sort of person who'd be shouting 'can you please speak up' from the back of the audience. Neither is he noisy in any metaphorical sense. None of his well writen books rant at the reader....they are written in that same soft spoken tone.

Alas, I suppose one has to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous journalism with its clear agenda of character assassination because it cannot think of any rational and intelligent response to the content of what Richard says.

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:44:42 UTC | #918719

rationalmind's Avatar Comment 6 by rationalmind

If he is the second most intelligent man in Britain we know who the first is ! :-)

But seriously this man makes Forest Gump sound intelligent!

North Korea isn't an atheist state. They have gods, the leadership. They have a dead man as president for goodness sake. The same kind of thanatocracy (government by the dead) as, in effect, the christian church has.

He has no argument at all except claiming tht atheism is a religion. As Bill Maher said "Atheism is a religion like abstenence is a sex position."

Boy this Ipsos/ Mori poll has got them worried! They are all out attacking like wild dogs.

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:44:53 UTC | #918721

carlmosconi's Avatar Comment 7 by carlmosconi

Stephen Bayley "the second most intelligent man in Britain"? I demand a recount!

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:45:08 UTC | #918722

sbooder's Avatar Comment 8 by sbooder

No!...No no. Surely this is jest. Not only vacuous but so badly written.

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:47:12 UTC | #918724

BenS's Avatar Comment 9 by BenS

Who is to say that the internet is not the Devil's work?

Me. The internet is not the Devil's work.

Idiot.

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:55:00 UTC | #918727

Premiseless's Avatar Comment 10 by Premiseless

Archbishop with large eartrumpet and highly raised eyebrows mutters to his multifaith collegiate, "What's that you say? The Devil in scarlet?"

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:55:50 UTC | #918728

BigBlue's Avatar Comment 11 by BigBlue

Bless him, he's only a beginner. Recently jumped on the religion/atheism bandwagon I'm guessing

Obviously quite niaive and clueless at this stage in his development.

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:56:12 UTC | #918729

Grundibular's Avatar Comment 12 by Grundibular

First, read any common definitions and diagnostics for psychopathy. Then, read his recent work and visit his website. I makes sense once you do those two things.

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:56:55 UTC | #918731

Sample's Avatar Comment 13 by Sample

I talked with a person of faith today who told me that when she was in the 7th grade, a lesson plan about Greek mythology was introduced. She said, that she refused (with parental permission) to participate in that particular study because it made her uncomfortable. Of course I asked all the usual questions which, of course, made her...wait for it...uncomfortable.

I now wonder if she penned this article.

Mike

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:58:09 UTC | #918732

Schrodinger's Cat's Avatar Comment 14 by Schrodinger's Cat

Comment 6 by rationalmind

As Bill Maher said "Atheism is a religion like abstenence is a sex position."

....hey...it's hard enough for a fish to ride a bicycle without being expected to copulate at the same time :)

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:58:20 UTC | #918733

Paula Kirby's Avatar Comment 15 by Paula Kirby

I have posted this comment on the Telegraph site:

Thank you, Mr Bayley.

We atheists hear a lot of criticism about our style and tone, so I'd just like to say a big thank you for your demonstration of the kind of UNaggressive, UNstrident, UNshrill, UNdogmatic, UNnoisy, UNugly tone that's so clearly infinitely superior to our own.

It's very helpful to have such a clear example of what you think we should be aspiring to. I just fear I and my fellow atheists will never manage to soar to such dizzy heights of reasoned, intelligent, courteous analysis, expressed with such delicacy and restraint, and such scrupulous avoidance of ad hominem. But I guess that's just strident and ugly atheism for you.

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:59:40 UTC | #918734

martinlong1978's Avatar Comment 16 by martinlong1978

Thank you for this gem of utter stupidity. It brightened my day!

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:03:17 UTC | #918737

papa lazaru's Avatar Comment 17 by papa lazaru

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Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:08:04 UTC | #918739

Jarl Carlander's Avatar Comment 18 by Jarl Carlander

If that man can be a journalist, I can be God.

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:09:59 UTC | #918740

Tyler Durden's Avatar Comment 19 by Tyler Durden

Who is to say that the internet is not the Devil's work? It daily corrupts the concentration of billions: idle hands are very welcome in cyberspace. Wanton flesh and dishonest money are its staple items of trade. It immerses us in a seething babel of irrelevance, promises sociability while creating alienation and, so far from being "clean", has destructively enlarged global demand for electricity.

And employs millions worldwide, from California, to Ireland, to India, creating economic and technological wealth. Oh, wait, he never mentioned that.

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:10:04 UTC | #918741

SaganTheCat's Avatar Comment 20 by SaganTheCat

POE!

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:10:13 UTC | #918742

papa lazaru's Avatar Comment 21 by papa lazaru

Looks like April Fools is coming early this year.

Just a Troll having a laugh.

Either that or I need my sarcasm radar adjusted.

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:10:28 UTC | #918743

SomersetJohn's Avatar Comment 22 by SomersetJohn

Well, I think the first paragraph is completely accurate and makes perfect sense.

If you replace internet with religion.

(O.K., and leave out the bit about electricity.)

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:12:00 UTC | #918744

SaganTheCat's Avatar Comment 23 by SaganTheCat

Comment 7 by carlmosconi :

Stephen Bayley "the second most intelligent man in Britain"? I demand a recount!

that was the day 65 million of us went on holiday.

i'll take the cat with me next time

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:12:06 UTC | #918745

ghost of numf-el's Avatar Comment 24 by ghost of numf-el

Paula - you're an absolute gem!

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:13:31 UTC | #918747

Tyler Durden's Avatar Comment 25 by Tyler Durden

Who is to say that the internet is not the Devil's work?

Did Bayley publish this twaddle on the internet?

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:14:02 UTC | #918748

mole at the counter's Avatar Comment 26 by mole at the counter

'The second most intelligent man in Britain'?! Wow...!

I suggest that that leaves everyone on this board fighting for top spot!

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:14:19 UTC | #918749

Cook@Tahiti's Avatar Comment 27 by Cook@Tahiti

Trolling is still trolling, whether it's in an online forum or an op-ed article published by The Telegraph.

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:15:21 UTC | #918750

danconquer's Avatar Comment 28 by danconquer

"Organised atheism has produced North Korea. There is really not much more that needs to be said."

And organised religion has produced Saudi Arabia.

However, there is an important qualitative difference which this author must not be allowed to get away with. North Korea represents the perversion of various Marxist and Maoist ideas, with it's ruling Kim family enjoying a quasi-religious/royal status, but the point is that the outrages that are carried out there are not done in the name of non-belief in a deity.

Saudi Arabia, on the over hand, justifies every act of barbarism, each act of cruel inhumanity, entirely in the name of pleasing their God.

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:18:10 UTC | #918751

Mrkimbo's Avatar Comment 29 by Mrkimbo

I don't think I've ever read anything quite as stupid as this. You know, I smell victory - this kind of ranting nonsense comes from losers about to be forced to accept the fact that they've lost. 'Phaedrus'' comment on the Telegraph website is apposite and worth checking out.

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:31:21 UTC | #918755

Jos Gibbons's Avatar Comment 30 by Jos Gibbons

Stephen Bayley was once described as "the second most intelligent man in Britain"

Source? (Let me guess: the Telegraph.)

what is indisputable is that – as the author of more than ten books, nearly thirty exhibition catalogues, countless articles and broadcasts – he is one of the world's best known commentators on modern culture

Whoever wrote that has terrible criteria on which to base a judgement regarding who is indisputably one of the world’s best known commentators on modern culture. I’ve never even heard of this guy who, as this article of his shows, is an idiot.

[The internet], so far from being "clean", has destructively enlarged global demand for electricity.

I think you’ll find the main reasons electricity demand has exploded is that the world has an exponentially expanding population and its poorer nations are now catching up. A few per cent more hunger per person to run smartphones is comparatively irrelevant. Besides, this guy writes for the Telegraph, which doesn’t admit our electricity production causes climate change, so what does he mean by “destructively”?

Richard Dawkins, a fanatic disguised as a scientist

He had a PhD in a science, he was employed by the University of Oxford as a professor for decades, he has contributed numerous new ideas to his field since his PhD ended, he is a member of the Royal Society … Therefore, he’s a scientist. He’s also a non-fanatic, as shown by his formal discussions of probabilities in so many of his works.

[Dawkins is], in the powerful counterproductive sway of his noisy arguments, proof of the existence of God

A phenomenon can only prove a god if without a god that phenomenon wouldn’t occur. An atheist’s arguments are to be expected in the absence of a god. In any case, you can’t call his arguments noisy because they involve no shouting, and are only seen or heard after making a conscious choice to do so.

shrill

You know the rules: everyone has to take a drink.

Atheists seem to be very good at dogma. Dawkins seems not to understand that his own zealotry is itself a sort of religious quest.

Quests aren’t what define dogma or religiosity; for those he would have to believe without evidence some specific claims about reality.

he applies the "logic" of science, itself a fallible human construct, to a beautiful mystery

Fallibility isn’t bad enough to deserve a complaint here. Religion is not merely fallible; it has no error-correcting mechanism whatsoever. By contrast, science is defined by its error-correcting mechanism.

organised religion has … caused Michelangelo, Milton and Bach

There is no evidence that, had they grown up in a non-theocracy, they would have been less artistically productive. Indeed, the continued productivity of artists after theocracies waned in the West suggests otherwise.

Organised atheism has produced North Korea

Organised anything, if by organised you mean using the law to get people to think a certain metaphysical way, has produced horrible stuff. I don’t care whether it’s religion as in Nazi Germany or Marxism as in Stalinist Russia. Incidentally, it is Communism that makes North Korea the way it is; its people can hardly be called atheists, considering the way they revere the three Kim what-are-their-names.

There is really not much more that needs to be said

How about giving evidence for your assertions?

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:37:38 UTC | #918756