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Neodarwinian's Avatar Comment 1 by Neodarwinian

As is usual with many of the articles posted here the comments are more telling than the article. Seems to be a dichotomy here and little indifference to Professor Dawkins. Either support, or extreme dislike along an ad hominem route.

Thu, 23 Feb 2012 01:21:54 UTC | #920886

Ophelia Benson's Avatar Comment 2 by Ophelia Benson

I don't see the part where you apologize for having ancestors! I'm shocked and ashamed, and I'm going to go join the nearest church right now. (The nearest is three blocks from here. There's another two blocks from that one - and another, and another, and another...And this in coastal libbrul Seattle. I suppose in Arkansas there are more churches than houses.)

Thu, 23 Feb 2012 01:55:12 UTC | #920894

Ophelia Benson's Avatar Comment 3 by Ophelia Benson

P.S. I'm ashamed and shocked. And horrified.

Thu, 23 Feb 2012 01:55:47 UTC | #920895

Andres Heredia's Avatar Comment 4 by Andres Heredia

Why do people hate Richard so much!? seriously, all I ever read on the comment section whenever I read these artciles is religious people making personal attacks towards RD. And in general these last few articles just attacking proffesor Dawkins are horrible, and somehow that's ok, one can get away with bashing the atheist. I cannot help to wonder if they'd get away with it ,if instead of RD being a 'militant athiest', he was a 'militant christian', "preaching" his religion. I can just picture the scandal that people would make if nespapers attacked him and disliked him for being a "militant christian", they'd immediately start complaining of how christianity is being marginalized, and how intolerant people are, and don't respecting freedom of speech. And meanwhile, it's ok to bash against the "militant atehist" (or the pope of atheism, or any other silly nickname that they come up with). You have to love when religious people of this kind talk about morality, I don't know if they see the irony in there...

Thu, 23 Feb 2012 02:18:22 UTC | #920903

xmaseveeve's Avatar Comment 5 by xmaseveeve

The comments after it are fascinating. Gleeful imbicility.

Thu, 23 Feb 2012 02:28:01 UTC | #920907

Steve Zara's Avatar Comment 6 by Steve Zara

Comment 4 by Andres Heredia

Why do people hate Richard so much!? seriously, all I ever read on the comment section whenever I read these artciles is religious people making personal attacks towards RD.

Comments sections are filled with comments by people who feel the urge to write comments. It can be quite a compulsion (I know). It's also self-selecting. People who write comments are those who believe they have something to say, and there sometimes isn't much to say if you have agreed with an article. On the other hand, if you feel like having a rant, there can be quite a lot to say.

We need to stop seeing comment sections as representative of anything. They aren't. They aren't polls. They aren't surveys. They are a way for magazines and newspapers to stir things up and give people the false feeling that they are somehow participating, being listened to.

Thu, 23 Feb 2012 03:17:04 UTC | #920913

mmurray's Avatar Comment 7 by mmurray

Comment 6 by Steve Zara :

We need to stop seeing comment sections as representative of anything. They aren't. They aren't polls. They aren't surveys. They are a way for magazines and newspapers to stir things up and give people the false feeling that they are somehow participating, being listened to.

And to raise the number of hits on that page. More hits means you can get more advertising revenue.

Michael

Thu, 23 Feb 2012 03:45:24 UTC | #920917

aroundtown's Avatar Comment 8 by aroundtown

Wading into the waters of the christian condition, either pro or con is always going to be messy. Same goes for the Muslim condition if not worse. Over 2 thousand years old and the religious myth still perpetuates. It is amazing how easily mankind can be deceived.

Thu, 23 Feb 2012 03:55:36 UTC | #920918

Vorlund's Avatar Comment 9 by Vorlund

Keep up the pressure, many 'cultural christians' will begin to question their true position in the scheme of things.

Thu, 23 Feb 2012 06:40:07 UTC | #920940

SuedeStonn's Avatar Comment 10 by SuedeStonn

Your last sentence, aroundtown, reminds me of the famous religous idea: The Devil's greatest trick was making people believe he didn't exist.

Think on that for a moment... let it percolate. Now, is that a true sentence? As far as I can see the answer is NO. Ever since the idea of Satan came about people have heard no end of it. Devils, demons, spirits, whathaveyou, are here to stay because the church isn't going to let it go into obscurity. Why? It's a TOOL. One more way hold sway over the people, keep them coming back for more.

How easily are we deceived? Very easily, unfortunately. :P

Thu, 23 Feb 2012 06:45:48 UTC | #920941

Explorer's Avatar Comment 11 by Explorer

Comment 4 by Andres Heredia Why do people hate Richard so much!? seriously, all I ever read on the comment section whenever I read these artciles is religious people making personal attacks towards RD.

I can remember reading "The Selfish Gene" by Richard ,soon after it was published all those years ago, when I was then, a Christian, albeit "lite", believer. The book was not about relgion of course, but I can still remember the rather indignant feeling inside me at the time, when Richard stated that it was the gene, and its blind "selfishness" that was the principle, and thus the most important aspect of our continued existence as a species. In my eyes then, he appeared to denigrate the human to a mere vehicle for our genes, which of course it is, in reality (but no less wonderful for it).

At that time I found this new way of thinking about ourselves as totally unacceptable, and as a consequence, really hated Richard for what he was trying to do. I would have been quite happy then to target the man and not the argument. Happily today, I now view Richard's work in an entirely different way, and his subsequent books have moved me over to the side of reason, culminating in The God Delusion, which had a profound effect on my way of thinking.

How many others out there have had a similar experience to my own, I wonder. Have we now simply got down to the hard core of religious bigots who we are never going to break. Judging by the Mori survey, and at least as far as Christianity is concerned, excellent progress is still being made, so take heart!

Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:05:10 UTC | #920953

Richard Dawkins's Avatar Comment 12 by Richard Dawkins

I wonder how many of the commenters on the New Statesman website even realised that this is not the article itself (all 2000 words of it are about to appear in the magazine). It seems that it only takes my NAME to unleash the bile and vitriol. What my article actually says makes no difference at all – as usual. As usual, except that the level of bare knuckle – white knuckle – hatred has been racked up several notches since we published our Ipsos MORI poll last week. This has got to be an encouraging sign, however disagreeable the hatred might be. They seem really rattled now, and with good reason.

More in hope than in anger

Richard

Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:38:59 UTC | #920962

monkey's uncle's Avatar Comment 13 by monkey's uncle

Comment 4 by Andres Heredia :

Why do people hate Richard so much!?

Because he's winning the argument.

Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:43:08 UTC | #920963

JackR's Avatar Comment 14 by JackR

Comment 4 by Andres Heredia :

Why do people hate Richard so much!?

Because truth hurts when you don't like it.

Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:54:29 UTC | #920966

johnhoman's Avatar Comment 15 by johnhoman

 Re Richards so called loss of memory,I think he is 60 years old now and lost a few brain cells by now(,I know I have) I think we can forgive him for his little lapse of memory.He stills very intelligent to

me.I make no comment on the intelligence on the other man who ever he is.

As for Richard being strident and arrogant we all know how false that is.

I think he must feel like tearing his hair out when debating his religous opponnents.

Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:05:26 UTC | #920970

KeithSloan's Avatar Comment 16 by KeithSloan

PATHETIC - TOTALLY PATHETIC - People try and score single points against Richard, who is human after all and can occasionally slip up, but very rarely given his intellect. They then seem to proclaim they have won all the arguments, making headlines out of very minor points. I wish these God fearing morons would go read his books, they might come to their senses.

Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:09:28 UTC | #920972

RDfan's Avatar Comment 17 by RDfan

Yes, I agree with JackR and monkey's uncle.

Not only are RD, DD, SH and the late CH (and their predecessors) winning the argument; they have the best arguments -- pending contrary, verifiable evidence, I hasten to add. And what's more, their arguments not only have more than a ring of truth to them; they also have an air of freshness about them.

The religious hate these arguments because their age-old, crinkly-kneed "truths" are being found wanting in a major way. And they hate this. They feel threatened; beleaguered even. Wouldn't you? Think about it: if you were religious, you would cherish Authority and Faith, right. Both of these are grand-old-men of human existence. Well, up comes Reason, a johnny-come-lately, a pimply-faced uppity teenager in the story of life who likes nothing more than to poke a finger at both Authority and Faith. Annoying? Very much so, if you're religious. The religious would like nothing more than to throw a Divine ASBO (formerly called The Inquisition) at us -- but they can't, not anymore.

Did I just call RD a pimply-faced brat? Well there's a first!

Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:20:21 UTC | #920975

Jumped Up Chimpanzee's Avatar Comment 18 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee

Comment 15 by johnhoman

Re Richards so called loss of memory,I think he is 60 years old now...

Actually, he's 70. Obviously looks good for his age! And certainly mentally much sharper than most half his age.

Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:32:54 UTC | #920978

stuhillman's Avatar Comment 19 by stuhillman

Actually RD is the same age as me - 70. I wish I had his memory capacity and intelligence as well as the years. And, yes, more people are pissed off than ever because he is winning the argument on all fronts.

Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:34:43 UTC | #920979

Premiseless's Avatar Comment 20 by Premiseless

Some of what they are doing is The Sun page 3 tactics. Ignore the news we have a juicy distraction. A believer is less habitually a defaulter to reason and more one whose mind is hyper sensitised to being distracted by irrational chaos. Their belief gets aroused by porno-reason! And similarly offended when myth gets the same treatment due the billions of slaves of belief!

Keep breaking those chains and cracking them links!

Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:40:05 UTC | #920980

sunbeamforjeebus's Avatar Comment 21 by sunbeamforjeebus

Richard, you can sit back,pour yourself a glass of wine and gently congratulate yourself on a job well done.You are a thorn in the side of these hysterical clowns and they have no weapons left with which to fight you, other than insult! 'I love the smell napalm in the morning, it's the smell of victory!'

Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:54:26 UTC | #920985

Premiseless's Avatar Comment 22 by Premiseless

Comment 18 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee :

Comment 15 by johnhoman

Re Richards so called loss of memory,I think he is 60 years old now...

Actually, he's 70. Obviously looks good for his age! And certainly mentally much sharper than most half his age.

I have a theory that factual memory loss is directly proportional to subversion - which I can vouch for. I recall and analyse process very well but my factual capacity for info is spartan due the many decades of variegated subversion my mind has been subjected to. Obviously biologically, with age, this reduces to some extent, but some of the best minds I have come across are in the older generation! Keep rational, avoid subversive circular reasoning hijacking your mind - if possible - and the mind works wonders for itself!

It's the oppressive consummation of ones mind to circular reason or circular degenerative emotions that disintegrates memory and its fitness. Belief is an excellent tool for spreading its semen of mind hijacking therein.

Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:54:56 UTC | #920987

mr_zero's Avatar Comment 23 by mr_zero

I'm not sure why the words "Smear Tactics" are in quotes.

Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:56:01 UTC | #920988

Mrkimbo's Avatar Comment 24 by Mrkimbo

No matter how strong you are in your arguments, Richard, you must sometimes feel a little weary, a little queasy at the sheer ignorant hatred that you mere name (as you have said) induces in bears of little brain. Fuck the lot of them. We're right behind you, we are cleverer than they are, (even me) and we're winning. Don't let the losers grind you down.

Affection and warm support from Tasmania,

Kim Birley.

Thu, 23 Feb 2012 10:07:25 UTC | #920991

Mrkimbo's Avatar Comment 25 by Mrkimbo

There you go, I can't even spell 'your' correctly. I'm still cleverer than them!

Thu, 23 Feb 2012 10:08:54 UTC | #920992

Alan4discussion's Avatar Comment 26 by Alan4discussion

Actually the smear tactics are a good example of foot-shooting!

Now that the public's attention has has been stirred up by the hornets nest of ad-homs (illustrating the bigoted irrationality of the critics), public attention can be directed to the figures and the implications of these.

Thu, 23 Feb 2012 10:14:09 UTC | #920994

RohypGnosis's Avatar Comment 27 by RohypGnosis

As usual the comments are addictive reading...

However, it's sad to note that 'believers' are missing the point entirely and, as usual, knocking someone, (i.e. Prof. Dawkins), who has simply facilitated the gathering of certain information in order to try and have a healthy, and much needed, debate.

It’s rather telling that instead of reviewing and discussing what the Christian citizens of the UK have presented to us via the Ipsos/MORI poll, the ‘religious’ amongst us prefer to drag the posts down into the usual emotive, unwinnable attempts at ‘brinkmanship’, (unwinnable, at least, in such forums as these!).

The data, from Christians themselves, shows that the majority are ‘Christian’ in name only. e.g. Qu.11: Less than a third (30%) have ‘strong belief’, and a fifth (20%), specifically answered they would not refer to themselves as ‘religious’. Less than a quarter (23%) said the Bible was spot on with regard to morals, and only 10% said they get their morals from ‘Religious texts/Bible’. (n.b. The bit I really liked was that of the Christians surveyed almost two thirds (61%) accepted at least some inkling of truth in Astrology, with 7% believing in it completely! :D

So, instead, of the usual ‘gut feel’ Theist contribution can we perhaps have an un-emotive debate about what this enlightening Ipsos/Mori gathered information means for us all? e.g. The rise of Faith Schools; the obsession in politics with exhibiting ‘belief’; Bishops in the House of Lords; etc.

Thu, 23 Feb 2012 11:09:44 UTC | #920999

Ignorant Amos's Avatar Comment 28 by Ignorant Amos

Comment 5 by xmaseveeve

The comments after it are fascinating. Gleeful imbicility.

I wouldn't have used the word 'gleeful' to describe their imbecility that's for sure. I'd have run with 'moronic imbecility', but hey, I'm more shrill and strident than you are missus.....and not as good a person }80)~

Thu, 23 Feb 2012 11:29:40 UTC | #921007

Ignorant Amos's Avatar Comment 29 by Ignorant Amos

Comment 11 by Explorer

Nice comment.

Can I ask what it was about 'The God Delusion' that had such a profound effect on your way of thinking?

I only ask, because there are a number of commenter's on the site who insist that a certain etiquette be employed when engaging the the 'believer' or 'fence sitter' and I'd be interested to know of your experience since you brought it up......purely for research purposes of course.

Thu, 23 Feb 2012 11:40:01 UTC | #921009

Ignorant Amos's Avatar Comment 30 by Ignorant Amos

Comment 12 by Richard Dawkins

What my article actually says makes no difference at all – as usual. As usual, except that the level of bare knuckle – white knuckle – hatred has been racked up several notches since we published our Ipsos MORI poll last week. This has got to be an encouraging sign, however disagreeable the hatred might be. They seem really rattled now, and with good reason.

Ya know what, even though the title was got out in the end ....I'm somewhat glad you did make that minor 'faux pas' with the title of Darwin's great tome. Every cloud has a silver lining as the saying goes and by making that slip betwixt the brain and the lip you've unknowingly given the rabid religidiots just the amount of rope they need to hang themselves.

People pay good money for the entertainment that the scurrying holy rollers have been providing this past week, I wouldn't have missed it for the world.

Thu, 23 Feb 2012 11:57:01 UTC | #921015