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isisdron's Avatar Comment 1 by isisdron

no surprises there.

Mon, 05 Mar 2012 13:44:19 UTC | #924585

wolfhoundGrowl's Avatar Comment 2 by wolfhoundGrowl

BlockquoteYet both groups recognised that their own views were not always identical to those of Jesus. The researchers divided issues into those concerned with fellowship (wealth distribution, immigration), and those concerned with morality (gay rights, abortion). Conservatives envisaged a Jesus with views close to their own on morality issues; but they recognised that the man who gave all his possessions to the poor would probably have advocated more progressive taxation policies than those of the Republican party. Conversely, liberals saw Jesus as having similar views as themselves on fellowship issues but they believed his views on gay rights would be to the right of their own. Blockquote

SO THE ARTICLE HEADING (AN INTENDED POINT OF THE ARTCLE) IS REDUNDANT. READ THE ABOVE AGAIN, IF THIS IS TRUE THEN THEY BOTH ENVISAGE A SOMEWHAT SIMILAR JESUS WITH SOMEWHAT RIGHT-WING MORALITY AND SOMEWHAT LEFT-WING POLICIES

Mon, 05 Mar 2012 13:44:47 UTC | #924586

moniz's Avatar Comment 3 by moniz

"The Bible may claim that God created man in his own image, but the study suggests man creates God in his own image."

There, the entire study summed up in one sentence. How much was spent to find out what is painfully obvious to anyone with a functioning brain? Suggests? It's bloody obvious!

Mon, 05 Mar 2012 13:50:57 UTC | #924588

AtheistEgbert's Avatar Comment 4 by AtheistEgbert

As wolfhoundGrowl points out in his comment #2 (no need for all caps surely?), liberal Christians are not really liberals at all. Anyone who worships a dictator/monarch--whether supernatural or natural--is not a liberal by default.

A better way to understand why religion is the poison that it is, is to understand religion as antithetical to liberalism. Many Christians make claims to being liberal, but only in the sense that they're following the accepted status quo in society, and not from a rational and theoretical basis.

To show you just how urgent it is that we return to reason in politics, if the status quo changes then a liberal society quickly changes into an authoritarian society, and the state can easily become a tyranny. This is happening right now in Britain.

Mon, 05 Mar 2012 14:13:02 UTC | #924597

drumdaddy's Avatar Comment 5 by drumdaddy

Who won the football game?

Mon, 05 Mar 2012 14:21:32 UTC | #924599

Mr DArcy's Avatar Comment 6 by Mr DArcy

Ah, this explains why the Americans Indians had heaven as a happy hunting ground, the Vikings had a banquet hall, the muslims a desert oasis, and the European Christians a holiday camp with pearly gates and angels, harps and organ pipes!

Mon, 05 Mar 2012 14:59:05 UTC | #924610

some asshole's Avatar Comment 7 by some asshole

If Jesus were real, and if he indeed were anything like conservatives, I'd want nothing to do with the bastard.

Mon, 05 Mar 2012 15:09:57 UTC | #924612

rod-the-farmer's Avatar Comment 8 by rod-the-farmer

The Bible may claim that God created man in his own image, but the study suggests man creates God in his own image.

Nooooo. Gowaaaan....... !

(Notes use of present tense)

Mon, 05 Mar 2012 15:18:23 UTC | #924615

aroundtown's Avatar Comment 9 by aroundtown

It is odd that the Jesus thing has evolved into so many interpretations but I wonder who this guy really was when we utilize our understanding of cultural anthropology to view the most likely conclusions. I would think the man probably stumbled onto a message that worked for the audience he was seeking to influence so he went with what was working. Could it be any different than someone like Moqtada al-Sadr who is revered by the poor in Iraq and lauded as a great man by his followers. The ability of man to embellish a story is legendary so the envisioned person that is put forward for the historical Jesus is probably far removed from the actual man and his actions at the time.

This condition of embellishment was mentioned here on RDFRS somewhere in that a story was put forward and as it progressed through numerous individuals the original story had little in common with the original version in conclusion. We see this type of thing all the time so the prospect that the historical Jesus is anything like what is supposed today is, once again, most likely very far from the truth and when you add in those with something to gain, i.e. the church, the story is greatly amplified to serve their ends as we have seen. The King James version of the bible is a great example of twisting the story for personal use I would think.

Mon, 05 Mar 2012 15:21:53 UTC | #924618

strangebrew's Avatar Comment 10 by strangebrew

Shocked I tell ya...shocked to the tippy toes!

Who would have thought it?

An xian invents his own god...well...well... well! That means those with unruly eye growths must invent their own question mark...and then wait for it...haaahaaaahaaa!...fucking ...haaahaaahaaaa!...ow! did meself an injury!

Mon, 05 Mar 2012 15:31:02 UTC | #924620

hellosnackbar's Avatar Comment 11 by hellosnackbar

Does this piece of information predict a future war between these two strains of believers? One does not need to employ much thinking to realise the truth of the statement. It's rather like differing images of imaginary Allah amongst Mohammedans.

Mon, 05 Mar 2012 15:44:30 UTC | #924622

Tony d's Avatar Comment 12 by Tony d

To speculate on what Jesus's political opinions might be.May entail conceding that he existed in a historical sense , i don't think we should make that concession.Even if someone of that name was knocking about at the time it would not prove anything. I say leave Jesus on the same shelf as King Arthur and Merlin.

Mon, 05 Mar 2012 16:09:05 UTC | #924628

Sigbert's Avatar Comment 13 by Sigbert

If the horses had gods, they would look like horses, Xenophanes argued 2500 years ago. Looks like that is still valid.

Mon, 05 Mar 2012 16:14:15 UTC | #924631

rjohn19's Avatar Comment 14 by rjohn19

Makes me wonder in just what alternative reality they found these Liberal Christians. They would have to be either just tepidly liberal or tepidly Christian or perhaps both.

It was never more obvious than in the debate over national health care. I heard nothing from the pulpit nor anything from their legions of thumpers about how Jesus the free healer might come down on the issue.

They ought not be able to get away with using Jesus on morality issues and ignoring him on social issues. If there were actually deeply religious liberals, the voices invoking JC would be every bit as loud on social justice as they are on abortion, contraception and gay rights- and this is clearly not the case.

Mon, 05 Mar 2012 16:33:50 UTC | #924635

Alan4discussion's Avatar Comment 15 by Alan4discussion

Religion and politics have always made uneasy bedfellows; yet how can Christians from all shades of the political spectrum reconcile their diverse views with the teachings of a single man?

Easy:- Theist reinterpretation spectacles which allow words and phrases mean whatever the reader wishes them to mean!

Comment 5 by drumdaddy

Who won the football game?

Have you not seen the posters? "JESUS SAVES"! Surely you worked out that he plays in goal! How could his team lose?

Mon, 05 Mar 2012 16:42:53 UTC | #924637

irate_atheist's Avatar Comment 16 by irate_atheist

Comment 15 by Alan4discussion -

Have you not seen the posters? "JESUS SAVES"! Surely you worked out that he plays in goal! How could his team lose?

Shearer scores on the rebound.

Mon, 05 Mar 2012 16:51:11 UTC | #924639

Red Dog's Avatar Comment 17 by Red Dog

Comment 14 by rjohn19 :

Makes me wonder in just what alternative reality they found these Liberal Christians. They would have to be either just tepidly liberal or tepidly Christian or perhaps both.

They exist in this world. Anyone who has ever done serious work in the cause of peace or social justice could tell you that. Some of the most dedicated people in those movements were Christians. e.g. Martin Luther King, Desmond Tutu, Daniel Berrigan, the Liberation Theology movement,...

Mon, 05 Mar 2012 16:51:16 UTC | #924640

showmeproof's Avatar Comment 18 by showmeproof

A 2009 study by Nicholas Epley et. al. from the University of Chicago reached very similar conclusions Believer's estimates of God's beliefs are more egocentric than estimates of other people's beliefs

Mon, 05 Mar 2012 16:51:47 UTC | #924641

paulmcuk's Avatar Comment 19 by paulmcuk

Yet both groups recognised that their own views were not always identical to those of Jesus.

Which is effectively saying that christians think that this aspect of the supreme creator of everything is wrong on certain points and they are right. How can anyone consider worshiping a being that they think can be wrong about things? Worse yet, how can they tell everyone else that they should live according to the rules of this admittedly fallable being?

The hypocrisy of faith-heads is truly staggering.

Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:16:47 UTC | #924650

btheist's Avatar Comment 20 by btheist

How about no Jesus for either side. It is so painful obvious that all gods through out history and those alive and well today in the minds of the faithful are imagined by man. As long as their be Gods to worship, we'll always have this my God is better than your God mentality. This study should come as no surprise to anyone, if anything, it should be a surprise that we need a study to tell us this.

Unfortunately, the only people who will understand the relevance of this study are the already god-free.

Mon, 05 Mar 2012 18:05:38 UTC | #924661

rrh1306's Avatar Comment 21 by rrh1306

Were living in a time of buffet theologies.Take what ever you like, leave the rest.

Mon, 05 Mar 2012 18:07:42 UTC | #924662

Neil5150's Avatar Comment 22 by Neil5150

When people think about what another person thinks, (dead or alive); a lobe in the side of the brain lights up. Known as theory of mind. When people think about what they believe in, (may be moralistic issues) a lobe in the front of the brain lights up. As this article relates, the same "self" lobe lights up when they think about what god thinks. Just putting science to what we have know for along time, very nice to see. (Sorry can't find a link)

Mon, 05 Mar 2012 18:10:03 UTC | #924663

obijuanmartinez's Avatar Comment 23 by obijuanmartinez

Just went and had a listen to Frank Zappa's "Jesus Thinks You're a Jerk", which dealt w/ the glories of Pat Robertson, Jim Bakker et al in the 80s - Its message holds up surprisingly well!

Mon, 05 Mar 2012 18:36:41 UTC | #924672

aroundtown's Avatar Comment 24 by aroundtown

Comment 23 by obijuanmartinez Just went and had a listen to Frank Zappa's "Jesus Thinks You're a Jerk", which dealt w/ the glories of Pat Robertson, Jim Bakker et al in the 80s - Its message holds up surprisingly well!

Thanks for the shout-out for Frank. He give solid advice like avoiding religion and not eating yellow snow. Thanks Frank and thanks to obijuanmartinez for bringing him to mind. I miss him and I miss George Carlin's wit that gave some respite against the insanity we encounter.

Mon, 05 Mar 2012 18:48:29 UTC | #924676

perkyjay's Avatar Comment 25 by perkyjay

@ Comment 16 by Irate Atheist:

In my hometown in Yorkshire in the 30s there was a notice outside a Pentecostal place of worship which announced " JESUS SAVES". Underneath, someone had written,"BUT MOSES INVESTS".

Mon, 05 Mar 2012 19:47:21 UTC | #924696

prolibertas's Avatar Comment 26 by prolibertas

I'm not a Christian, so ultimately it's nothing to me what Jesus' opinions might have been, but I do have to say that his teachings strike me as liberal and even anti-conservative. How do conservatives reconcile 'turn the other cheek' with 'go to war'? Or 'sell all you have and give to the poor' with 'give nothing to the poor, because if they're poor it's their own fault for not working hard enough (oh they might be poor for reasons beyond their control? fingers in ears la la la la la I can't hear you). Jesus' teaching here wasn't, as some say, particular to the special case of the individual he was addressing, because he generalized it with 'for it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven'. I don't even agree with the liberals who say Jesus had conservative views on homosexuality, because Jesus didn't mention homosexuality. It was Paul who introduced the anti-gay and anti-woman verses in the New Testament.

Jesus was a pacifist and a socialist who fought against the conservative establishment of his time. In fact, if I was to criticize him for anything, it would be because he took pacifism and socialism too far.

Mon, 05 Mar 2012 20:11:43 UTC | #924701

Border Collie's Avatar Comment 27 by Border Collie

Designer Jesus in Texas only rides in expensive SUV's and pick ups, invests in oil and gas wells, listens to Rush Limbaugh on AM radio, hates minorities, shops at Neiman Marcus and tells gay people that he loves them but hates their behavior. And, I'm pretty sure he lives in either River Oaks in Houston, Westover in Fort Worth or somewhere in North Dallas, close to George W. Bush, of course.

Tue, 06 Mar 2012 00:17:39 UTC | #924742

nancynancy's Avatar Comment 28 by nancynancy

Jesus was a fictional character.

Tue, 06 Mar 2012 00:34:16 UTC | #924748

Tyler Durden's Avatar Comment 29 by Tyler Durden

Comment 15 by Alan4discussion :

Have you not seen the posters? "JESUS SAVES"! Surely you worked out that he plays in goal! How could his team lose?

Probably 'cause he can't play on Saturdays.

And he's also terrible on crosses.

Tue, 06 Mar 2012 00:46:38 UTC | #924750

Andres Heredia's Avatar Comment 30 by Andres Heredia

lovely little article

Tue, 06 Mar 2012 00:51:52 UTC | #924752