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JTMcDaniel's Avatar Comment 1 by JTMcDaniel

Madison was right. There's no valid reason for the government to be paying chaplains. If they want to minister to the military, let their denomination pay their salaries, or let their "congregants" pay them through the collection plate.

Wed, 14 Mar 2012 23:07:22 UTC | #927144

steve oberski's Avatar Comment 2 by steve oberski

Thanks for the free advertising Chuck.

Not that Rock Beyond Belief seems to need it.

I would sell my soul to be there.

Wed, 14 Mar 2012 23:08:42 UTC | #927145

Starcrash's Avatar Comment 3 by Starcrash

Another "hate speech" argument? Really???

Whether or not Hysteria includes anti-religious lyrics, I'm pretty sure free speech is still allowed on US military barracks. Whether or not there's an incitement to burn down churches, I wouldn't have defended the lyrics themselves... it's the wrong battlefront. It leaves you open to an implication that if the lyrics are "hate speech", you're also against having them sung. The contents of songs played at Rock Beyond Belief are simply irrelevant..

Wed, 14 Mar 2012 23:40:24 UTC | #927158

Neodarwinian's Avatar Comment 4 by Neodarwinian

Lie for Jebeus and be granted eternal life!

Must be in the codex as often as these wackaloons will do it!

Thu, 15 Mar 2012 00:22:54 UTC | #927182

aroundtown's Avatar Comment 5 by aroundtown

Once again here we go. Crazy is as crazy does and these religious nut-cases make an art form out of the condition. To bad, so sad Mr.- "Chaplain", can't put the genie back in the bottle now.

Rock it to the left, rock it to the right, rock the atheist party with all of your mite.

Thu, 15 Mar 2012 01:00:23 UTC | #927201

The Truth, the light's Avatar Comment 6 by The Truth, the light

Gosh, you mean Fox News might not have given fair and balanced coverage to the event?

Thu, 15 Mar 2012 01:39:30 UTC | #927213

Mustafa K's Avatar Comment 7 by Mustafa K

Is Richard going to dye his hair black and where tight jeans now? I'm sorry, but I wanted to put that image in everyone's head. It's just too funny not to share.

Thu, 15 Mar 2012 01:46:56 UTC | #927217

prettygoodformonkeys's Avatar Comment 8 by prettygoodformonkeys

I would happily salute Colonel Stephen Sicinski. If I was a saluting type of person...

Thu, 15 Mar 2012 02:01:56 UTC | #927228

strangebrew's Avatar Comment 9 by strangebrew

They are so precious these jeebus wailer's...and the more ignorant and bigoted they are the more fearful they become and the more ridiculous they act and behave !

They are jumping at shadows now...like little kiddies on Halloween

Most of them are already a laughing stock or are trying very hard to be so!

This particular muppet just raised the profile of the event is all.

With Fox news in the mix it will be no doubt that they will demonize atheism any opportunity they get but when 'nothing' happens, a cowardly xian community might get a little prickle of confusion over the messages, they are expecting Armageddon, they will only get matey who will be the pastor that drools utter sensationalist ''end times rhetoric in the eyes of the world.

And yet they see an event that seems so well organised and successful and above all happy, they will wonder just what the fuss was about, this 'message' of atheist marauders gets watered down and 'screaming wolf' gets a downgraded reception from the faithful in future, they heard it all before, it is nonsense, slowly rationality perculates into the collective consciences and just might encourage questions, then just maybe it might dawn on them that they are being lied to and manipulated by the Jeebus-R-Uz clones, they might learn, they might not, but it will seem 'strange' and not as advertised.

It will offer doofus no particular good and might even bring his version of xianity into disrepute, and he will not even be aware of that, they are not very savvy when it comes to common sense rationality.

It will not stop the lies though, it is after all the only thing left in their arsenal. But maybe the recipients of those lies might not actually react to them any-more, when that happens then it is indeed all over now baby blue for the clowns!

Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:20:27 UTC | #927382

MarkOnTheRiver's Avatar Comment 10 by MarkOnTheRiver

"It has now been made blatantly public by [event] organizers that part of this event will be... glorifying violence against people who possess a faith in God through the burning of churches. This is appalling!"

Oh come on now, 'fess up you organisers. Chucky here has got to be a Poe. Surely the US Army would never promote to captain, such a feeble minded idiot. . . would they?

Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:41:00 UTC | #927384

PBrain's Avatar Comment 11 by PBrain

I wonder did he fight/pray in Nam? "Weren't you fighting ??????? Chaplain?" Sorry,I'm probably borderline there.

Thu, 15 Mar 2012 10:36:19 UTC | #927403

Alan4discussion's Avatar Comment 12 by Alan4discussion

Cpt. Williams claims, "It has now been made blatantly public by [event] organizers that part of this event will be... glorifying violence against people who possess a faith in God through the burning of churches. This is appalling!"

When you have no intelligent or reasoned answers to to criticisms, lying for Jebus is the usual standard!

Comment 10 by MarkOnTheRiver

[Chaplain (Captain) Chuck Williams]

Oh come on now, 'fess up you organisers. Chucky here has got to be a Poe. Surely the US Army would never promote to captain, such a feeble minded idiot. . . would they?

Come off it Mark! This is a theological rank, not a tactical or technical one! - It's a bit like "doctorates", A (Doctor of Divinity) DD degree is not a PhD.
Evangelicals NEED a badge of authority as they lack any reasoned evidence view!

Thu, 15 Mar 2012 11:07:12 UTC | #927411

Capt. Bloodeye's Avatar Comment 13 by Capt. Bloodeye

I feel like booming a church, now that you know the preacher is lying

Bob Marley (Talking Blues)

Thu, 15 Mar 2012 11:11:51 UTC | #927414

SaganTheCat's Avatar Comment 14 by SaganTheCat

more of this please!

Thu, 15 Mar 2012 11:48:13 UTC | #927430

ocallaghanbohrdt's Avatar Comment 15 by ocallaghanbohrdt

After lying for Jesus will we have arson for Jesus?

Sacrifice a church or two near the event, and blame the atheists.

I would post a few atheist guards to thwart the blighters.

Thu, 15 Mar 2012 11:58:04 UTC | #927434

drumdaddy's Avatar Comment 16 by drumdaddy

What? They're going to allow atheists to speak their minds? I thought we all had to repeat Billy Graham's magic words. America will never be the same if we sit passively by while all of this 'free speech' nonsense continues! Such an outrage!

Thu, 15 Mar 2012 12:23:43 UTC | #927441

MarkOnTheRiver's Avatar Comment 17 by MarkOnTheRiver

Comment 12 by Alan4discussion :

Evangelicals NEED a badge of authority as they lack any reasoned evidence view!

Clearly, but does the US army need to feed the egos of evangelical chaplains, like this one, by dignifying them with a commissioned officer rank?

If I was an atheist infantry lieutenant, I'd find it galling to have to salute a preacher every time our paths crossed.

Thu, 15 Mar 2012 12:34:16 UTC | #927443

Dave H's Avatar Comment 18 by Dave H

"Chaplain Williams attacked the Military Religious Freedom Foundation’s Mikey Weinstein and festival headliner Richard Dawkins as being “known publicly for their caustic treatment of people of faith.”

Actually Weinstein and Dawkins attack the beliefs and ideas of people of faith, not the people personally. Williams really doesn't see the difference, does he? Perhaps this is why he makes personal attacks in return. Or is it because he isn't up to attacking our ideas?

Thu, 15 Mar 2012 13:11:38 UTC | #927455

tll's Avatar Comment 19 by tll

When I think of a church burning in the states, the first thing that comes to mind is that "Protestant" Christian KKK terrorist organization...

Thu, 15 Mar 2012 14:03:28 UTC | #927472

Red Dog's Avatar Comment 20 by Red Dog

Here are the actual lyrics in question from Hysteria by the band Aiden. It seems pretty clear to me that the "church burning" is one item in a list of evils that religion does to the rest of the world (including burning churches and other holy books that aren't the right holy book)

Love how they burn your synagogues Love how they torch your holy books Filling coffers with your grief Filling coffins with your misery Faith holding outright criminals safe This is just the world we live in Can you justify the pain The death of fiction will save us all

Hysteria We live We die I wont give up In a world worth saving goodbye I don't have anything to fear I live, I live hysteria

Wait supporting outright genocide Hate let us all disseminate A message to your herd Our voices will be heard Now faith is a question you can choose Faith whether Christian, Muslim, Jew Still you all distort the truth The death of fiction will save us all

Searching for the answers are you asking all the questions Will the evidence suffice your fear Human evolution is the only real solution All the truth you gotta hear Would you stand and fight

Thu, 15 Mar 2012 17:25:30 UTC | #927529

Rodger T's Avatar Comment 21 by Rodger T

So CaptainChaplain is a fuckwit, whoever woulda thunk it?

Thu, 15 Mar 2012 17:59:04 UTC | #927537

Bipedal Primate's Avatar Comment 22 by Bipedal Primate

Where's that picture of Capt. Picard's facepalm when you need it?

Thu, 15 Mar 2012 20:31:34 UTC | #927581

SRWB's Avatar Comment 23 by SRWB

Clearly, but does the US army need to feed the egos of evangelical chaplains, like this one, by dignifying them with a commissioned officer rank? If I was an atheist infantry lieutenant, I'd find it galling to have to salute a preacher every time our paths crossed.

Unfortunately most military forces have given officer rank and status to the clergy, much like they do to doctors, dentists and lawyers. As a serving officer it galls me too to salute a higher ranking chaplain, or any other senior officer who I do not respect, but one just remembers that, technically, it's the rank which is being acknowledged, not the individual.

Thu, 15 Mar 2012 21:19:34 UTC | #927603

Alan4discussion's Avatar Comment 24 by Alan4discussion

Comment 20 by Red Dog - Here are the actual lyrics

It doesn't seem to make much difference whether its interpreting the babble, or song lyrics, theist preacher levels of English comprehension could probably be bettered by a 10 year old!

Thu, 15 Mar 2012 22:38:51 UTC | #927626

xmaseveeve's Avatar Comment 25 by xmaseveeve

Comment 18, Dave,

Very good!

Alan, Comment 24,

That's why 'The Sun' has a reading age of eight.

To paraphrase the founder of the Salvation Army, why shoud 'Gaad' have all the best tunes?

Fri, 16 Mar 2012 00:29:36 UTC | #927664

Universeman's Avatar Comment 26 by Universeman

Only 5000?

Fri, 16 Mar 2012 16:18:16 UTC | #927847

S. Gudmundsson's Avatar Comment 27 by S. Gudmundsson

Comment 10 by MarkOnTheRiver :

"It has now been made blatantly public by [event] organizers that part of this event will be... glorifying violence against people who possess a faith in God through the burning of churches. This is appalling!"

Oh come on now, 'fess up you organisers. Chucky here has got to be a Poe. Surely the US Army would never promote to captain, such a feeble minded idiot. . . would they?

You remember General Ripper from 'Dr. Strangelove'? He was based on real people.

That should tell you something.

Sat, 17 Mar 2012 03:50:43 UTC | #928005

QuestioningKat's Avatar Comment 28 by QuestioningKat

Comment 7 by Mustafa K :

Is Richard going to dye his hair black and where tight jeans now? I'm sorry, but I wanted to put that image in everyone's head. It's just too funny not to share.

He will wear jeans, but my guess is that he is growing his hair long.........so he could hide his earplugs.

Sat, 17 Mar 2012 12:56:36 UTC | #928073

SuedeStonn's Avatar Comment 29 by SuedeStonn

This is classic fear-mongering, and well below what any officer in the military should do. (Currently serving, AGR, so I get to say what's what. ;} The good captain is so far out of line saying that atheists are out to do violence that it isn't making me angry but perplexed... when did atheists start burning down churches or beating people up? Sure, we give zealots shit about the silliness they promote, but hey, that's just me doing my natural human duty. (Who says I don't any work for free?)

To be fair most chaplains are good people and don't get worked up like this gent, although all are most definitely of the 'fervent' type. My favorite was a CPT who always put her arm out to the side and up, palm facing front, exactly as if she was being 'sworn under oath', and would talk the entire time like that. I called her Deus Ex Antenna, or The God Antenna. (Anyone know if there is a Latin word for 'antenna', or an equivalent?) ;}

non est deus

Sat, 17 Mar 2012 19:08:52 UTC | #928124

JTMcDaniel's Avatar Comment 30 by JTMcDaniel

I believe the Latin for antenna is antenna.

Evangelicals were rare in the chaplain's corps at the time I got out of the Army 42 years ago. It was said that this was at least partly because they disliked the requirement for "inclusive" language in any non-denominational functions. Chaplains were allowed to say, "In thy name," leaving it to the listener to supply the name, but not "in Jesus' name," unless it was during an actual service. There was also the issue that most evangelicals graduated from non-accredited schools, while the mainline types were much more likely to have actual degrees.

Most of them seemed rather unconcerned with their own officer status. I can remember several who absolutely hated being saluted.

Wed, 21 Mar 2012 03:32:52 UTC | #929184