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NewEnglandBob's Avatar Comment 1 by NewEnglandBob

no, Richard is in training for the god position, not some second rate backwater cult :)

Fri, 16 Mar 2012 23:27:09 UTC | #927953

AgriculturalAtheist's Avatar Comment 2 by AgriculturalAtheist

Humorous, but appropriate?

Fri, 16 Mar 2012 23:27:21 UTC | #927954

2ndserve's Avatar Comment 3 by 2ndserve

Prof. Dawkins will look stunningly important in an ostentatious hat. This is a turning point.

Fri, 16 Mar 2012 23:29:05 UTC | #927955

AgriculturalAtheist's Avatar Comment 4 by AgriculturalAtheist

There may be something to this. It is often said that being an atheist (and admitting so) is the surest way to not get elected to a political position. But if people were willing to hide this fact, not just in politics, but in political positions, think of the possibilities. Can anyone successfully elected to a political OR clerical office be "fired" for revealing a loss - or lack - of faith? If anyone questioned an atheist cardinal dismantling the church from the inside, that person could claim that he is fulfilling some vision or prophecy.

Fri, 16 Mar 2012 23:32:15 UTC | #927956

Jonathan Dore's Avatar Comment 5 by Jonathan Dore

Comment 4 AgriculturalAtheist

Can anyone successfully elected to a political OR clerical office be "fired" for revealing a loss - or lack - of faith?

Something like this happened to a rather poignant figure from history, Cyril Lucaris, who was Greek Orthodox Patriarch of Constantinople from 1612 but who seemed to undergo a slow conversion to a more-or-less Calvinist extreme protestantism (about as far apart from Orthodoxy as one can go in Christian terms) over several years. He was deposed about five times, and eventually killed in 1638.

Fri, 16 Mar 2012 23:50:02 UTC | #927964

Cartomancer's Avatar Comment 7 by Cartomancer

Gay civil partnership? Oh come on Newsbiscuit, you can do better than that - surely the two of them just want to get married like everyone else can?

Fri, 16 Mar 2012 23:59:27 UTC | #927969

mmurray's Avatar Comment 8 by mmurray

Richard will have to work on his eyebrows.

Michael

Sat, 17 Mar 2012 00:36:40 UTC | #927976

Graxan's Avatar Comment 9 by Graxan

I don't think Professor Dawkins could do the job. He is, to my knowledge, incapable of meaningless waffle. I thought hot air was a pre-requisite for the religious orders?

Sat, 17 Mar 2012 01:14:24 UTC | #927986

Cook@Tahiti's Avatar Comment 10 by Cook@Tahiti

As the recent Oxford 'discussion' revealed, both Williams and Dawkins are agnostics (re: Euclid's first axiom), so why not?

Sat, 17 Mar 2012 01:41:13 UTC | #927991

quarecuss's Avatar Comment 11 by quarecuss

Exactly what I said a few weeks ago after the debate between Rowan and Richard (only partly in jest), that RD has already taken over the role of moral guide of the Anglo world (and beyond) from the men with funny beliefs, in funny costumes. No need for any investiture. It's a done deal. That debate was a gentle coup, a quiet lifting of the mantle of moral guidance from the shoulders of a, confused, dying religious institution. Old Eyebrows didn't know what hit him but he is on the run. There will be a few dippy attempts get the "authority" back but all the candidates are just as daft as Rowan.

"The Archatheist of Canterbury" has a nice ring to it. By the authority vested in me ....

Sat, 17 Mar 2012 01:47:47 UTC | #927992

quarecuss's Avatar Comment 12 by quarecuss

Richard, are you interested in becoming Primate of All Ireland too? Who knows where this could end?

Sat, 17 Mar 2012 02:25:21 UTC | #927995

aroundtown's Avatar Comment 13 by aroundtown

I would think the job probably has a very lucrative bonus to cover the fancy hats.

Sat, 17 Mar 2012 03:03:36 UTC | #927999

S. Gudmundsson's Avatar Comment 14 by S. Gudmundsson

It's a shame that Rowan Williams is retiring. He might not have been the brightest chap, but he had a kind of sheepish charm. Also, we shan't be getting any more gold nuggets like "breathing in the presence of the question mark" from him.

Sat, 17 Mar 2012 03:59:56 UTC | #928007

Rawhard Dickins's Avatar Comment 15 by Rawhard Dickins

If Williams cut out some of the crap from his philosophy, he wouldn't have spent 10 years agonising over "problems".

He could have got on with the job of decommissioning the church with much greater efficiency!

Sat, 17 Mar 2012 05:42:49 UTC | #928027

mmurray's Avatar Comment 17 by mmurray

God is first and foremost that depth around all things and beyond all things into which, when I pray, I try to sink. But God is also the activity that comes to me out of that depth, tells me I’m loved, that opens up a future for me, that offers transformations I can’t imagine. Very much a mystery but also very much a presence. Very much a person…

You have to admit that we are going to miss him. Is there a name for such deepity reach prose? Something not connected to bovine excrement.

Michael

Sat, 17 Mar 2012 07:07:02 UTC | #928033

susanlatimer's Avatar Comment 18 by susanlatimer

Is there a name for such deepity reach prose?

Yes.

Something not connected to bovine excrement.

Oh.

Then, no.

Sat, 17 Mar 2012 07:25:58 UTC | #928034

mmurray's Avatar Comment 19 by mmurray

Comment 18 by susanlatimer :

Is there a name for such deepity reach prose?

Yes.

Something not connected to bovine excrement.

Oh.

Then, no.

LOL. I wanted a technical term. "deeprosity" ??? Maybe bovine excrement is the best term.

I don't understand how you leap the chasm between all that mystical zen buddhist stuff to making decisions like it's OK for African Bishops to compare gay people to dogs and still stay in the Anglican Church.

Michael

Sat, 17 Mar 2012 07:41:47 UTC | #928037

susanlatimer's Avatar Comment 20 by susanlatimer

I don't understand how you leap the chasm between all that mystical zen buddhist stuff to making decisions like it's OK for African Bishops to compare gay people to dogs and still stay in the Anglican Church.

This deeprosity is very complicated stuff.

Sat, 17 Mar 2012 07:51:20 UTC | #928038

paulmcuk's Avatar Comment 21 by paulmcuk

It's going to be interesting to see what kind of stance Williams takes on various issues now that he no longer feels he has to consider all sides and try and maintain some kind of consensus. Too much to hope that he'll announce that, on reflection, he's decided god doesn't exist but he might just lob in a grenade or two on issues like gay bishops.

Sat, 17 Mar 2012 07:55:42 UTC | #928039

Capt. Bloodeye's Avatar Comment 22 by Capt. Bloodeye

A papal vacancy is pending.

Sat, 17 Mar 2012 08:53:30 UTC | #928042

robaylesbury's Avatar Comment 23 by robaylesbury

I've got a bit of a soft spot for Rowan. And it also gives me lots of opportunity to use euphemisms such as "Don't bash the bishop"

Who's going to make his tea now? Rowan was the epitome of the "More tea vicar" type of clergy.

Alas I cannot vote for Richard until I've heard his manifesto. Come on chap, time to put proverbial pen to paper!

Sat, 17 Mar 2012 09:01:32 UTC | #928043

Mr DArcy's Avatar Comment 24 by Mr DArcy

I'm afraid Richard won't get the job. Not when the CoE has a "proper" Christian like ABoY Sentowoo.

In other news, retiring AB misses bus whilst waiting on the question mark.

Sat, 17 Mar 2012 09:30:58 UTC | #928045

thebaldgit's Avatar Comment 25 by thebaldgit

Richard would make a fine Archbishop of Canterbury certainly better than the rubbish contestants that are being put forward.

Sat, 17 Mar 2012 10:05:48 UTC | #928050

Krasny's Avatar Comment 26 by Krasny

Make me Bishop of Rome and I will become a Christian tomorrow.

Sat, 17 Mar 2012 10:15:24 UTC | #928053

CEVA34's Avatar Comment 27 by CEVA34

BBC commentators were lining up to pay tribute to the man's "intellect". He is, it's said, taking up a position at Cambridge. What will he teach - logic and clear thinking? Remember Richard's anecdote about the Oxford warden who doubted that theology was really a subject?

Sat, 17 Mar 2012 11:32:31 UTC | #928060

strangebrew's Avatar Comment 28 by strangebrew

Seems the most bizarre revelation is that 'Catweazle could not heal the rift...

And the C of E god is totally absent and patently 'face... not bothered' about the whole escapade!

How can a deity give not a 'creator two fuck fandango' what is happening in his church...a church that represents a whole country and allow Catty' to go to the wall without a flicker of interest...seems someone including a layabout waste of faith son that seems more interested in persecuting homosexuals and human rights in Africa then being an allround good egg is also very apparent by his absense!, therefore easy to conclude that 'worship...they is doing it wrong!'

But not if they are , hateful, intolerant and bigoted , superstitious, sexually incompetent, delusionally ignorant old men playing modern day witch doctor..then it all makes sense!...

Of course when you look deeper the dripping blade of avarice ambition and power lust flickers certainly in the hands of one sunbeam for jeebus.

Et tu Sentamu....

But there might well be a further dark side, when, indeed if, Sentumu becomes the elected top doggy, apparently a shoe in according to several sources, then the C of E will be riven into shards and schism is high on the agenda, a fact that Catweazle actually admits if you read his statement.

There is no appetite to heal the wounds, the evangelicals want carte blanch to discriminate and be free to do what evangelicals do...which is basically ditch rationality completely... and the moderates are too liberal to affect a major opposition.

Question is which side is Sentamu batting for?

And would the Colonel Blimps, Jed the ploughman, Horace the game keeper and Lady Marjories in the country support such a candidate...would the village green still echo to the vapidity of the annual fete? In such the traditional time honoured manner?

Scuttlebutt suggests that a creationist doofus like Sentamu is in fact very sympathetic to the evangelical cause, and what is not said is that the African diocese are the king maker in this scenario.

Far more so then they were last time a top doggy needed electing for a pointless post. How power ebbs and flows when jeebus is the chairman of the board?

A powerful block and very influential, a fact not missed by the competition, seems Benny baby is well aware that to keep the RC's scrawny necks out of the noose, they need to diversify and rape financially and morally the sub continent....ruthlessly...and that is precisely what they are doing. It is so easy tis almost a pleasure to dupe the knowledge poor and superstitious. And they will and they are...hence the upsurge in the importance of African interests and how to harness the folk magiks so prevalent throughout the continent that the task is to basically replace voodoo hierarchy of traditional African tribal worship with a twisted and force fitted form of xianity

They are xians being xians...it is what they have been doing for centuries. The western world had become very barren for their pickings...a fact Catweazle admitted during the royal wedding drone of 'woe is xianity'....except in the backward bible belt areas of course.

What is also a facet is the extreme religiosity that the cults and conmen need to flourish are just belts, they are not coveralls, just thin ridiculous belts of ignorant politically right wing pompousness..and they seem to be thinning in number!

They sense the conmans sense that the time is well and truly up for the exploitation, ...they need fresh virginal blood to slurp...they are eyeing Africa with drooling fangs and acquisition of mineral deposits in their hearts.

But the major question in all this is...

COME ON RICHARD ...FESS UP...WHAT DID YOU ACTUALLY SAY TO CATWEAZLE' OFF AIR IN YOUR RECENT DEBATE TO GET HIM TO THROW IN THE MITRE?

Sat, 17 Mar 2012 11:42:19 UTC | #928062

sunbeamforjeebus's Avatar Comment 29 by sunbeamforjeebus

No real suprise that this weird old fool is steeping down.Predictably the press is full of praise for his scholarship,intellect and humanity.He is now off to head up Magdelene based upon his doctor of Divinity qualification, he will also get a life peerage.Richard is wholly unsuited for the post as all his many qualifications are based upon science and fact and he deals only with evidence not complete and utter idiocy.It would be fun though wouldn't it if we all put together a recommendation,ensuring the press gets to hear of it,for Richard to ascend this throne!!! I have a request; we atheists and secularists are routinely referred to as 'Aggressive Militants' henceforth we should refer to all xtians not as evangelicals but as 'Agressive Militant christians,or muslims etc.

Sat, 17 Mar 2012 12:09:53 UTC | #928065

mmurray's Avatar Comment 30 by mmurray

Comment 27 by CEVA34 :

BBC commentators were lining up to pay tribute to the man's "intellect". He is, it's said, taking up a position at Cambridge. What will he teach - logic and clear thinking? Remember Richard's anecdote about the Oxford warden who doubted that theology was really a subject?

He is going to be Master of Magdelene College. It isn't a teaching position.

Michael

Sat, 17 Mar 2012 12:23:51 UTC | #928066