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papa lazaru's Avatar Comment 1 by papa lazaru

Mouth, meet foot.

Sun, 15 Apr 2012 15:54:26 UTC | #934846

rod-the-farmer's Avatar Comment 2 by rod-the-farmer

Commenting on the debate

"Let me ask my cocker spaniel, snuggled up on the seat of my Ferrari if he is finally aware of how it works and understands the complex design process," said Peter Bower, in a letter to the Sydney Morning Herald. "Some things are simply beyond the logical comprehension of certain species."

You could not make this stuff up.....to coin a phrase.

I did think at the time the cleric got his tang all tungled up in a few spots, but that has happened to most of us at one time or another. But so many in one debate ? Hmmm. I wonder.....

Sun, 15 Apr 2012 15:56:33 UTC | #934848

MagnusFaustus's Avatar Comment 3 by MagnusFaustus

There's an irony in this somewhere.

Sun, 15 Apr 2012 15:57:11 UTC | #934849

Tony d's Avatar Comment 4 by Tony d

But he worships a Jewish God doesn't he?I came away with the impression that he was less the bigot and more an idiot.

Sun, 15 Apr 2012 16:06:18 UTC | #934850

martwek's Avatar Comment 5 by martwek

This archbishop needs to see a doctor as soon as possible, or he may has possibly forgotten to take his medication on time. How on earth he know all this rubbish? has he lived here 2000 years ago? base on what he makes these statements? What an ignorant!

Sun, 15 Apr 2012 16:07:56 UTC | #934851

jel's Avatar Comment 6 by jel

And there you have the real catholic viewpoint of jews.

Sun, 15 Apr 2012 16:12:44 UTC | #934852

TobySaunders's Avatar Comment 7 by TobySaunders

Those were some bad comments from Pell.

Sun, 15 Apr 2012 16:14:39 UTC | #934853

Premiseless's Avatar Comment 8 by Premiseless

Some of this talk is classic myth woo! "The Jews were allowed to escape and continue..." is utter balderdash when you think about it.

His concept mapping here is talking about memeplex survival, rather than humans per se.

Think about this. He's saying some god thinks Jew memeplexes are worth saving as well as other memeplexes that are coexisting in the world. - which - wait for it, utterly oppose each others view of what god wants thereby making it even more likely that when they again fight for god they will kill even more of each other. Also that if god wanted it genocide would wipe out alternative memeplexes!

This guy should visit primary school for some lessons in logic.

I guess however he's duty bound by belief to defer to the above celestial logic that makes no sense whatsoever. Let's see how to get out of this corner? Ah that's a good word - mystery!

Sun, 15 Apr 2012 16:15:34 UTC | #934854

Medusa313's Avatar Comment 9 by Medusa313

Cardinal Pell sounds a lot like Mel Gibson!

Sun, 15 Apr 2012 16:42:45 UTC | #934857

caseyg5's Avatar Comment 10 by caseyg5

"The little Jewish people." Isn't that how Saddam Hussein referred to the US president, "little Bush?" There is no way the term can be seen as anything other than derogatory. Shame on Cardinal Pell.

Sun, 15 Apr 2012 16:59:33 UTC | #934859

Jarl Carlander's Avatar Comment 11 by Jarl Carlander

He slipped up very badly. He should have said, the Jewish civilization was less advanced than the Egyptians, who has some really cool pyramids. The route he went down was very odd.

Sun, 15 Apr 2012 17:23:32 UTC | #934862

Dcg's Avatar Comment 12 by Dcg

He was expressing his true feelings. The Catholic Church's announcement that they no longer considered the Jews to be "Christ Killers" was just PR Bullshit.

In the same way that their contrition for the numerous child abuse scandals can be shown to be a sham. They expressed remorse but when their victims have asked for redress and compensation for their extreme suffering. The Catholic Church has made them relive their nightmare, by using every legal trick in the book to avoid paying out

Sun, 15 Apr 2012 17:26:23 UTC | #934864

SheerReason's Avatar Comment 13 by SheerReason

We're heading for another Holocaust... This man should be laughed out of Australia and forced to live in some remote Catholic outpost somewhere. He should be laughed at as much as David Icke who claims that 12 foot tall lizard men control the world and masquerade as Jews.

Sun, 15 Apr 2012 17:38:31 UTC | #934868

RobertJames's Avatar Comment 14 by RobertJames

I'm tempted to compare Jewish intellectual contributions to Egyptian or Persian (or anyone else for that matter) but quite frankly that would be unfair and embarrassing to us non Jews. 20% of all Nobel Prizes awarded to 0.2% of the worlds population and lets not even think about all the artistic contributions.

How many more ground breaking scientific theories must they produce, how many more symphonies, novels and songs must they write before we stop hearing this kind of thing.

Sun, 15 Apr 2012 17:38:36 UTC | #934869

MilitantNonStampCollector's Avatar Comment 15 by MilitantNonStampCollector

Cardinal Pell came across as a bumbling ignoramus in the debate.

Sun, 15 Apr 2012 17:47:02 UTC | #934870

AspieFred's Avatar Comment 16 by AspieFred

One does not need to have knowledge or understanding of the real world in order to be able advance in the ranks of a church, maybe it would even be hindering.

Pell proved to be worthy of his rank.

And I do not mean only what is discussed in this article, but also that he believed we are descendent of the Neanderthals or that something cannot come from nothing. And his fundamental misunderstanding of evolution being a random process.

Sun, 15 Apr 2012 18:13:15 UTC | #934881

Mr DArcy's Avatar Comment 17 by Mr DArcy

Where's Irate Atheist when you need him?

Alright, apart from "fucktard", this guy is a Pellock!

I seem to think St John's Gospel might be responsible for at least some of the anti-semitic feeling he expressed. So don't blame the messenger! Blame the New Testament, (the first book of which is Matthew), for anti-semitic propaganda. Whilst this bovine cardinal has upset his fellow Jewish woo believers, the atheist hare is building up a nice head of steam!

Hardly surprising when we at least deal with reality and not with myths!

(Well we do deal with myths, but not in a very complimentary way!)

Sun, 15 Apr 2012 18:14:38 UTC | #934882

Rawhard Dickins's Avatar Comment 18 by Rawhard Dickins

Pell struggled as he grappled to put a reasoned face on his outdated beliefs. It's no wonder then that offence was caused in the process.

Drop the god bit or at least the old baggage and life would be so much easier and the thinking more coherent for Pell.

Sun, 15 Apr 2012 18:15:56 UTC | #934883

Red Dog's Avatar Comment 19 by Red Dog

I thought I had lost my ability to be shocked by stupid things religious people say living as I do in the US but WTF reading that was just amazing. He sounds like some neo-nazi how can even the Catholics let this guy remain in a position of leadership?

Congratulations to Richard for exposing the unbelievable nastiness and ignorance of this man.

Sun, 15 Apr 2012 18:27:53 UTC | #934885

Sample's Avatar Comment 20 by Sample

And what is Prof. Dawkins apologizing for?

Not a goddamned thing! Well done.

Mike

Sun, 15 Apr 2012 18:28:06 UTC | #934886

Stafford Gordon's Avatar Comment 21 by Stafford Gordon

Nothing wrong with Cardinal Pell that a brain transplant couldn't fix; so much for love and peace; piss and blood more like!

Not only does religion enable good people to do bad things, it allows them to utter stupid hateful words; further, to add to the pain they've caused by making blatantly disingenuous, 'apologies'.

Sun, 15 Apr 2012 18:29:15 UTC | #934887

ThePoeticAtheist's Avatar Comment 22 by ThePoeticAtheist

@RobertJames Excellent point!

I'd also like to add that even the 2000+ year-old Jews that Pell talks about must have been quite intelligent, specifically because a lot of them were sheppards or farmers. I'd think being a sheppard required a lot of training and skill, especially back in the day. I mean, there weren't any anti-biotics or a government issued "food guide" for the animals. It must have taken a lot of attention and organization to be a sheppard. Also, before the advent of numerical systems, wasn't it sheppards who came up with the idea of measuring their herd with a stock of rocks and to determine if there had been a change in number based on the number of rocks in excess of the number of animals? By no means are sheppards limited to being "clever" (as Pell suggests in the debate), they were freaking smart! Poor maybe, but that was most certainly due to the political and economic dynamics of the time, which were outside the control of most Jews regardless of intellectual prowess.

As for current day Jews worldwide, really like how you put it:

           How many more ground breaking scientific theories must they produce, how many more symphonies, novels and songs must they write before we stop hearing this kind of thing?

Sun, 15 Apr 2012 18:30:39 UTC | #934888

Rawhard Dickins's Avatar Comment 23 by Rawhard Dickins

Perhaps a resources area on RD net would be useful, where some of the basic concepts and arguments could be outlined with links for further reading.

It's understandable why 70 years of myopic baggage produce such muddleheadedness but there can be hope for the younger generations.

Sun, 15 Apr 2012 18:33:27 UTC | #934890

strangebrew's Avatar Comment 24 by strangebrew

So'kay...jus' some of dat 'fistikated feelology' tis all!

Let them talk...the more they do the easier it is! So much for their claims of being silenced and oppressed by those nasty god hatin' secular types!

On the contrary...speak my man...shout it from the roof tops...proclaim your message loudly without fear or hindrance...knock ya self out!

Proudly show the world just what truly fucked up, lying, incoherent, bigoted. homophobic, anti-Semitic, misogynistic, sexually inadequate, totally incompetent, challenged, ignorant, idiotic clowns you really are...please be our guest...then the world might understand the atheist far better then any atheist could ever explain!

Sun, 15 Apr 2012 18:48:42 UTC | #934894

alf1200's Avatar Comment 25 by alf1200

I guess Carl Sagan and Albert Einstein were not really Jews.

And this statement coming from a man who thinks there is a supernatural being watching our every move.

This guy IS a Neanderthal. (apoligies to any Neanderthals that may be offenended)

"He should be laughed at as much as David Icke who claims that 12 foot tall lizard men control the world and masquerade as Jews."

I agree. Everybody with any sense knows white mice control the universe and everything.

Sun, 15 Apr 2012 19:27:14 UTC | #934906

gordon's Avatar Comment 26 by gordon

'Ongoing debate as to who was the winner?' He fell pell mell. I must say I was spitting teeth watching the debate. What an idiot. I don't know how Richard does it and keeps calm. I wonder what the strident cook Delia thought about it?

Sun, 15 Apr 2012 19:32:00 UTC | #934908

Neodarwinian's Avatar Comment 27 by Neodarwinian

Why do these people even think about opening their mouths?

Sun, 15 Apr 2012 19:45:45 UTC | #934917

Corylus's Avatar Comment 28 by Corylus

This all seemed to so utterly bizarre as a public statement that I went to the original debate to see the context. The snafu turns into a fubar at around 19 minutes in...

It seems Mr Pell wished to stress that god does not do non-random. Accordingly, when he talked about the Jews as the recipients of divine communication, he sought to make the point that they were obviously not picked at random as they were not 'top dogs' in the political situation of the time. If that were all he would have probably not had any significant push-back afterwards (even if a hyper-rational god could just as well have have picked the nation with the best marketing knowledge as recipients of her message), but he floundered into the pit of dreadful stereotyping as soon as he was stressed.

I actually think the silly man started off wanting to make a compliment. A bit like those men who state that women would rule the world so much better as they are gentler; and softer; and smell nicer; and are overall less bothered with cold nasty intellectual pursuits; and bake so well, and have tiny fingers that are marvellous for typing.

Sun, 15 Apr 2012 20:01:09 UTC | #934921

Katy Cordeth's Avatar Comment 29 by Katy Cordeth

"Let me ask my cocker spaniel, snuggled up on the seat of my Ferrari if he is finally aware of how it works and understands the complex design process," said Peter Bower, in a letter to the Sydney Morning Herald. "Some things are simply beyond the logical comprehension of certain species."

Mr Bower has managed to get two things across in his letter:

1, that he owns a Ferrari;

2, that he considers himself to be on an intellectual equal footing with his cocker spaniel.

Asked why god permitted the Holocaust to occur, he [Cardinal Pell] said: "He helped probably through secondary causes for the Jews to escape and continue...."

What a wimp of a supposedly all-powerful deity if this was all he was capable of doing in his chosen people's time of greatest need. Where were the plagues of locusts and frogs and outbreaks of festering boils? Why didn't the water in the Rhine turn into blood and kill all the fish?

Or, as someone said on this site a few days ago, why didn't God just flick Hitler's head off?

Sun, 15 Apr 2012 20:33:49 UTC | #934929

huzonfurst's Avatar Comment 30 by huzonfurst

@22: Good points but a rather poetic way of spelling "shepherd" you have there.

Sun, 15 Apr 2012 20:39:01 UTC | #934933