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Neodarwinian's Avatar Comment 1 by Neodarwinian

Atheist chaplains? Chapeists! ( now added to dictionary! ) Atheilains! ( also added! )

By the way, that " spiritual " fitness test BS has to go!!

Sun, 29 Apr 2012 02:49:21 UTC | #938093

William T. Dawkins's Avatar Comment 2 by William T. Dawkins

That is how reporting should be done! Thank You Lucky and PBS. Also thanks to all of our armed forces personnel and those who defend the Constitution and freedoms that make this possible.

William

Sun, 29 Apr 2012 04:36:04 UTC | #938101

0range's Avatar Comment 3 by 0range

SEVERSON: As unlikely as it may seem, one token of respect they would like is an atheist chaplain. That’s a tall order considering that conservative evangelical clergy dominate the ranks of the chaplaincy. Organizations like the National Association of Evangelicals, the NAE, dispute any need for an atheist chaplain.

Why should the NAE have any say in military policy?

"GALEN CAREY: I don’t think you would find many who could understand, frankly, the point of a chaplain for atheists."

What's the point of a chaplain to begin with?

Sun, 29 Apr 2012 06:13:25 UTC | #938104

Raiko's Avatar Comment 4 by Raiko

That thing about the spiritual fitness test puts me off the most. That is inappropriate and discrimatory in the highest degree. The suicide hotline is the cream on top of the cake. .

I get the impression that someone in the higher ranks of the military thinks that if you're not folowing a silly ideology that blinds your judgement of reality and underestimates the value of your life, you're not fit to follow their commands (or make good commands). Maybe they should ask the atheists in the military what they'd think about that. .

Sun, 29 Apr 2012 08:37:31 UTC | #938110

Alan4discussion's Avatar Comment 5 by Alan4discussion

Comment 4 by Raiko

That thing about the spiritual fitness test puts me off the most. That is inappropriate and discrimatory in the highest degree.

A psychological fitness test would be more appropriate. - The problem is many of the Fundie officers' and chaplains' rank would have to be busted to private, if merit came into it!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_chaplain - Military chaplains normally represent a religion or faith group but work with military personnel of all faiths and none. Some countries, like the Netherlands, also employ humanist chaplains who offer a non-religious approach to chaplain support. Groups such as the Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers,[3] support the idea of such chaplains.

Although the term chaplain originally had Christian roots,1 it is generally used today in military organizations to describe all professionals specially trained to serve any spiritual need, regardless of religious affiliation. In addition to offering pastoral care to individuals, and supporting their religious rights and needs, military chaplains may also advise the executive on issues of religion, ethics, morale and morals.

In the United States, military chaplains have a military officer's rank based on their years of service and promotion selection from among their peers. Chaplains serving in the US Armed Forces wear the uniform of their respective branch of service,

U.S. military chaplains, both individuals and in groups, have been engaged in a number of controversies. Complaints have been made against chaplains for mandatory prayers, coercion, and using government money to promote Evangelical Christianity.[30] Groups representing atheists have pushed for the appointment of someone representing their viewpoint to the chaplaincy.

The constitutionality of the U.S. chaplaincy has been the subject of legal challenges and scholarly dispute. One appellate case, Katcoff v. Marsh (1986) upheld the system as a permissible attempt to support service members in the "free exercise" of their religious beliefs, though others have described the details of the chaplaincy system as violations of the legal principles that the federal government maintain neutrality and avoid becoming entangled in religious affairs.

Sun, 29 Apr 2012 09:42:16 UTC | #938117

Alan4discussion's Avatar Comment 6 by Alan4discussion

Comment 3 by 0range

SEVERSON: As unlikely as it may seem, one token of respect they would like is an atheist chaplain. That’s a tall order considering that conservative evangelical clergy dominate the ranks of the chaplaincy. Organizations like the National Association of Evangelicals, the NAE, dispute any need for an atheist chaplain.

Why should the NAE have any say in military policy?

@5 Wiki link - ..... .military chaplains may also advise the executive on issues of religion, ethics, morale and morals.

It would seem the Xtian ones are abusing their positions as usual!

"GALEN CAREY: I don’t think you would find many who could understand, frankly, the point of a chaplain for atheists."

What's the point of a chaplain to begin with?

CAREY is obviously too bigoted and incompetent to advise the executive on the needs of troops! "All they need is prosthelytizing from my cult", is hardly adequate advice for providing for people from multiple backgrounds!

Sun, 29 Apr 2012 09:57:39 UTC | #938118

the great teapot's Avatar Comment 7 by the great teapot

thou shall not kill. Hypocritical assholes.

Sun, 29 Apr 2012 11:40:13 UTC | #938125

CJHefford's Avatar Comment 8 by CJHefford

That some nice reporting, it's clear and concise.

It's interesting to see the change from a refusal to host a non-believers festival to doing so. Let's hope this is the first of many bridges to be crossed.

Sun, 29 Apr 2012 11:59:24 UTC | #938129

Stafford Gordon's Avatar Comment 9 by Stafford Gordon

So, non believers are mentally unstable.

A classic accusation, levelled by establishment figures at individuals who think for themselves, make unique choices based on reality, and have the courage to disobey and not simply follow the herd.

I consider such accusations to be a huge compliment, and those who make them to be weak sheep. Baaaaaah!

At one time of course atheists would probably have been considered barking MAD; and probably executed into the bargain, as indeed they still are in certain benighted parts of the world.

Things could be worse then.

Sun, 29 Apr 2012 12:47:59 UTC | #938135

78rpm's Avatar Comment 10 by 78rpm

Two immensely pleasant surprises! First that the event was allowed to take place at all, and second that there was a lengthy, in-depth and objective report of it. Made my day.

Sun, 29 Apr 2012 13:23:12 UTC | #938144

78rpm's Avatar Comment 11 by 78rpm

This is splendid on two counts: first that they allowed the event to take place at all, and second that there was such a lengthy, in-depth and objective news report of it. We needed this.

And about sending non-theists to a psychiatrist: Didn't the Soviets send dissidents to asylums on the grounds that if you weren't a communist, you must be mentally ill?

Sun, 29 Apr 2012 13:28:12 UTC | #938145

Duff's Avatar Comment 12 by Duff

I became a chaplain's assistant once to get out of latrine duty in Officers School. Quite appropriate, I should think. I was not much assistance.

Sun, 29 Apr 2012 16:51:44 UTC | #938183

Alan4discussion's Avatar Comment 13 by Alan4discussion

Or from the comments on the link - the usual clueless theist comment and perverse advice:

anthony joseph lucchese says:

The small minority of US soldiers that are aethiests are lacking FAITH and this is one thing that they need to survive on a battle field!!

Wake up American aethiest soldiers and start believing in FAITH and your whole life will change for the better.

Or ........ it will end suddenly - when the the equipment you should have checked properly fails, as your faith in gods protecting you, lets you down.
Diligent planning, checking, and reliable scientific gear give much better protection.

Sun, 29 Apr 2012 23:10:00 UTC | #938238

drumdaddy's Avatar Comment 14 by drumdaddy

While militaries employ critical thinking on many topics and would simply demolish the ideas of religions if set to the task, the fact remains that religions exhibit historical successes in the killing business.

Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:58:30 UTC | #938316

Duff's Avatar Comment 15 by Duff

The last kind of soldier I would want fighting next to me would be one who is counting on his faith to protect him.

Mon, 30 Apr 2012 17:21:02 UTC | #938411

Ignorant Amos's Avatar Comment 16 by Ignorant Amos

Comment 15 by Duff

The last kind of soldier I would want fighting next to me would be one who is counting on his faith to protect him.

I wouldn't worry too much....it's my experience that there are not to many of them about. If there were, the Kevlar body armour industry would be in trouble and there'd only be Atheists in foxholes.

Mon, 30 Apr 2012 17:31:35 UTC | #938415