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Cardinal Brady will not resign over 'abuse failure' - Comments

CJHefford's Avatar Comment 1 by CJHefford

Absolutely bloody disgraceful.

I thought religion was supposed to provide greater morals and ethical values?

The church also points out that in 1975, "no state or church guidelines for responding to allegations of child abuse existed in Ireland".

What kind of excuse is that? I don't need guidelines to tell me when something is not right and I sure wouldn't wait for "guidelines" before speaking to the authorities, it's basic common sense!

I have one word to describe the Catholic church... FRAUDS.

Wed, 02 May 2012 18:05:39 UTC | #939084

strangebrew's Avatar Comment 2 by strangebrew

Precious little bunny ain't 'ee?

But what do I know...according to one of his cronies I am sub-human!

Wed, 02 May 2012 18:07:44 UTC | #939086

frax71's Avatar Comment 3 by frax71

He's not going to resign, well now that is a shock !!!!! an RCC Cardinal with no sense of remorse or regret (despite paying lip service to both) whod a thunk it, I'm still reeling here from the surprise. And yet they still believe they have the moral high ground and have the right to pontificate on the lack of morals in society, what a crock of crap they are.

Wed, 02 May 2012 18:34:20 UTC | #939092

Metamag's Avatar Comment 4 by Metamag

The Catholic primate of all-Ireland

LOL!

Wed, 02 May 2012 19:01:02 UTC | #939100

monkey's uncle's Avatar Comment 5 by monkey's uncle

This will come as no surprise for those who see the Catholic church for what it is.

The only small benefit that will come from this is that a few thousand more people will also understand this but, yet again, what a tragically high price has been paid.

Everyone I have spoken to about this (including bizarrely, some who consider themselves to be catholic) does not expect anything other than except the usual pathetic excuses ( "it was the 70s liberal culture, it was homosexuals") & attempts to convince people that its all in the past & everything has been sorted out now which, of course, it isn't.

Wed, 02 May 2012 19:01:56 UTC | #939101

rod-the-farmer's Avatar Comment 6 by rod-the-farmer

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Wed, 02 May 2012 19:14:36 UTC | #939104

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Wed, 02 May 2012 19:18:58 UTC | #939106

Nairb's Avatar Comment 8 by Nairb

Does anyone know why he cannot be arrested on suspicion of aiding and abetting a pedophile?????

Surely the state has an obligation to uphold the law? Or at least pretend to.

Wed, 02 May 2012 19:44:30 UTC | #939115

Bishopess's Avatar Comment 9 by Bishopess

"We didn´t know what to do". Facepalm.

Wed, 02 May 2012 19:53:32 UTC | #939119

xmaseveeve's Avatar Comment 10 by xmaseveeve

BBC 2 now, for the programme. It's great.

Wed, 02 May 2012 20:04:48 UTC | #939125

Benjamin Taylor's Avatar Comment 11 by Benjamin Taylor

Cardinal Brady said he accepted he was part of "an unhelpful culture of deference and silence in society, and the Church".

"Unhelpful" - what a huge understatement.

" society, and the Church" - seems to be an attempt to diffuse the blame onto society as a whole, when the evidence appears to point to a cover-up that was directed specifically at protecting the reputation of the Church.

Even if Cardinal Brady were to be cleared of all blame, I still cannot believe the heartless indifference shown by him and other senior members of the Catholic Church.

Wed, 02 May 2012 20:06:31 UTC | #939126

CJHefford's Avatar Comment 12 by CJHefford

Comment 8 by Nairb :

Does anyone know why he cannot be arrested on suspicion of aiding and abetting a pedophile?????

I wondered the same.

Wed, 02 May 2012 20:22:34 UTC | #939131

HardNosedSkeptic's Avatar Comment 13 by HardNosedSkeptic

Cardinal Brady said he accepted he was part of "an unhelpful culture of deference and silence in society, and the Church".

An unhelpful culture of deference and silence in society, and the Church?

Excuse me, but I think that he can make that just "culture of deference and silence in the Church”. It’s pretty clear from the evidence that the RCC was carefully covering up the behavior of its clergy. As soon as wider society found out what Sean Brady and his friends had been doing, it was appalled.

Wed, 02 May 2012 20:36:25 UTC | #939134

cheesedoff17's Avatar Comment 14 by cheesedoff17

The sooner he and his fellow predopriests are "happily a thing of the past" the better.

Wed, 02 May 2012 20:42:07 UTC | #939136

HardNosedSkeptic's Avatar Comment 15 by HardNosedSkeptic

I think the most disturbing thing about this story is it involves a cardinal. Cardinals are not just any old priests are they? They are the inner circle of archbishops who vote in the papal conclave and have the ear of the pope. It’s outrageous.

Wed, 02 May 2012 20:51:24 UTC | #939138

glenister_m's Avatar Comment 16 by glenister_m

@metamag comment 4

I thought the same thing when I heard the term. Well they certainly act like the less evolved members of the family.

Wed, 02 May 2012 21:03:02 UTC | #939140

Quine's Avatar Comment 17 by Quine

Oh please, please let him stay, and let the people quit his church.

Wed, 02 May 2012 21:14:39 UTC | #939143

Pheidole's Avatar Comment 18 by Pheidole

I'm not sure why we would expect much in the way of integrity from this racket.

Wed, 02 May 2012 21:18:52 UTC | #939145

Border Collie's Avatar Comment 19 by Border Collie

Typical arrogant clergy. They've gotten away with abuse for thousands of years. Why should it be any different today?

"I had absolutely no authority over Brendan Smyth."

Sorry, could you repeat that? Every adult on the face of this Earth has "authority" to do the right thing when children are being harmed! There simply is no choice.

Wed, 02 May 2012 21:18:53 UTC | #939146

kev_s's Avatar Comment 20 by kev_s

Re: Comment 15 by HardNosedSkeptic At the time he was just a priest (a mere 'note taker' if you believe that) but he has since been promoted. I wonder what he did to justify the promotions? Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil, I would suspect. Well, its the same in any business these days.

Wed, 02 May 2012 21:26:43 UTC | #939148

Alan4discussion's Avatar Comment 21 by Alan4discussion

I commented on this on the "Geoffrey Robertson" discussion - and included this link to the full text of Brady's statement. - err excuses - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-17926449

Apparently they were so full of RCC "morality" that they did not know what to do about the abuse, because no one had trained them, told them what to do or to report to the police! They were too busy swearing the children to secrecy to investigate further or check what action was being taken!!

Wed, 02 May 2012 21:36:25 UTC | #939152

Mr DArcy's Avatar Comment 22 by Mr DArcy

Headline in the Heavenly Daily:

BRAZEN BRADY BROKEN!

Wed, 02 May 2012 21:37:24 UTC | #939153

Obi wan kolobi's Avatar Comment 23 by Obi wan kolobi

He claimed to have no authority over Brendan Smyth. Can you believe the arrogance to believe that this was a mere ecclesiastical manner. What Brendan Smyth was doing was criminal. If the RCC can allow it's priests to engage in criminal behavior and that behavior is not subject to the laws enacted by the public at large, doesn't that pretty much make the Roman Catholic Church a criminal organization?

Wed, 02 May 2012 21:51:24 UTC | #939160

Starry Plough's Avatar Comment 24 by Starry Plough

The positive thing about this is that the growing stream of people leaving the Catholic Church in Ireland will increase. With five of the most liberal priests silenced by the Vatican, the hardliners, including Brady, are doing themselves out of a job as fast as they can.

Wed, 02 May 2012 21:53:49 UTC | #939161

achromat666's Avatar Comment 25 by achromat666

It found Cardinal Sean Brady had names and addresses of those being abused by paedophile priest Brendan Smyth.

However, he did not pass on those details to police or parents.

Well of course he didn't pass on the details, that would require a conscience and actual concern for the injured parties. If there was evidence of such, it's not in his very RCC friendly replies.

"I had absolutely no authority over Brendan Smyth. Even my Bishop had limited authority over him. The only people who had authority within the Church to stop Brendan Smyth from having contact with children were his Abbot in the Monastery in Kilnacrott and his Religious Superiors in the Norbertine Order."

Does it truly matter who has authority over him? At all? You know who does have authority over child rapists? The actual authorities, the police and the judicial system that arrest, prosecute and imprison people responsible for (and abetting) such actions all the time.

This isn't about passing the buck, and it certainly isn't about divine providence. Any Papal (or and other religious) 'authority' willing to allow these horrible attacks to continue is no authority at all. This is about children and their families routinely betrayed by the very church they've mistakenly pledged their lives to.

We need prosecution across the board, no excuses.

Wed, 02 May 2012 22:17:05 UTC | #939170

RJMoore's Avatar Comment 26 by RJMoore

I think there is a very strong case for saying that all the CC hierarchy who had positions of power or who had involvement in dealing with child abuse cases(in Ireland) in the 70s, 80s, and 90s should resign en masse, owing to the miserable failure of the hieracrchy to deal properly with this issue. However, I think in THIS case, to single Brady out for not reporting the matter to parents is a bit unfair.

Of course the welfare of children should trump any other consideration, and I think if such a serial abuser were to be uncovered today, the matter would be dealt with properly; but to just take Brady in isolation because he happens to be Cardinal today, and say he should have done x, y, or z 37 years ago isn't fair, particularly when he wasnt the 'executive' in this investigation. I dont think it was his responsibility to report the matter to other parents; that responsibilty fell to someone else, who failed his duty of care completely.

I think the problem is that if Brady had been the cleric in charge, the perception in the mind of the general public ( whether that perception is right or wrong) is that he wouldnt have reported it to the police, either; and that is why I feel that any senior cleric who is associated with that period of abuse should resign his position.

Wed, 02 May 2012 22:30:47 UTC | #939176

kaiserkriss's Avatar Comment 27 by kaiserkriss

While I think the Primate ( aren't we all primates?) is taking the weasels way out, what do you expect from this self serving hierarchical brain washed mafia?? When you look at the structure in each, there is very little difference between organized religion and a criminal organization .. jcw

Wed, 02 May 2012 22:36:19 UTC | #939177

Anvil's Avatar Comment 28 by Anvil

Just finished watching the programme. Feel sadness and anger in equal measure.

Surely this man cannot survive this programme.

Surely.

Anvil.

Thanks, and applause to Darragh, the producers, crew, and the brave people who came forward and stood up in an attempt to find justice in all of this. We are all better for your efforts.

Wed, 02 May 2012 22:36:27 UTC | #939178

Anvil's Avatar Comment 29 by Anvil

Brady:

"I had absolutely no authority over Brendan Smyth. Even my Bishop had limited authority over him. The only people who had authority within the Church to stop Brendan Smyth from having contact with (he means raping) children were his Abbot in the Monastery in Kilnacrott and his Religious Superiors in the Norbertine Order."

... and The Police.

Resign! I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken in not doing so? Resign. The sooner the better.

Anvil.

Wed, 02 May 2012 22:51:51 UTC | #939182

Harps's Avatar Comment 30 by Harps

STOP BRADY 2012 ?!

Wed, 02 May 2012 22:58:34 UTC | #939184