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Kim Probable's Avatar Comment 1 by Kim Probable

Nigh has maintained that Grady’s conduct was not unreasonable, based upon the teachings of her church.

When your church's teachings are unreasonable, your conduct based on those teachings is unreasonable as well.

Wed, 30 May 2012 03:15:45 UTC | #944372

Starcrash's Avatar Comment 2 by Starcrash

Comment 1 by Kim Probable :

When your church's teachings are unreasonable, your conduct based on those teachings is unreasonable as well.

I couldn't have put it better myself! That's awesome!

I'm so glad the jury made this decision. I wonder, is there legal precedence for this decision? There must be. If not, it'll set precedence.

Wed, 30 May 2012 03:25:49 UTC | #944374

Sean_W's Avatar Comment 3 by Sean_W

Reason? Really? Let's suppose the reasonable thing to do is to let your child die, don't the prospect of it make you hanker for some good ole unreasonableness? Seems as good a time as any to commit one of the sins you know you have to anyway. Right?

How do you live with any of your sins after that?

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2 1/2 years is absurd, and it doesn't help to know how badly other parents and families are treated for far less crimes. Religious privilege, it even makes murder seem only just so bad, because we have to consider...

Wed, 30 May 2012 03:35:43 UTC | #944378

Rich Wilson's Avatar Comment 4 by Rich Wilson

This just makes no sense whatsoever: "Kellough instructed jurors that a person may be justified under Oklahoma law in not providing medical treatment for his or her child, if instead the parent, in good faith, selects and depends upon spiritual means alone through prayer, in accordance with the tenets and practice of a recognized church or religious denomination; provided that the treatment or cure is something which a reasonably careful person would do under similar circumstances and conditions."

Legally speaking- you can leave it to prayer, provided it's what a "reasonably careful" person would do? If we're "OK"ing prayer as an alternative, then who's to say what's reasonable?

Wed, 30 May 2012 03:47:24 UTC | #944381

All About Meme's Avatar Comment 5 by All About Meme

In relying on prayer to heal her son, Grady, a member of the Church of the Firstborn, told police in 2009, “I didn’t want to be weak in my faith and disappoint God.”

Congratulations, Susan Grady, on having the inner strength to kill your own child.

Abraham's got nothing on you!

Wed, 30 May 2012 03:50:51 UTC | #944383

brighterstill's Avatar Comment 6 by brighterstill

Should have gone for "not guilty by reason of mental defect."

Wed, 30 May 2012 04:22:24 UTC | #944388

MilitantNonStampCollector's Avatar Comment 7 by MilitantNonStampCollector

Religious faith needs to be classified as a mental illness. There should also be a 'strident' and unrelenting attack on the nonsense of prayer, using this case as the perfect artillery.

Wed, 30 May 2012 04:35:52 UTC | #944390

MGBOY's Avatar Comment 8 by MGBOY

Two and a half years gaol for Ignoring her maternal instincts and allowing a child who would have put all of his trust in his mother, to die. The prosecution should appeal against the leniency of the sentence.

Wed, 30 May 2012 05:47:28 UTC | #944394

RDfan's Avatar Comment 9 by RDfan

In a (perverse, for a non-believer) way, the defendant was acting within the "logic" of her belief system. God is, after all, capable of acting in "mysterious ways" and the "power of prayer" is said by the Good Book to be genuine, so, for a believer, it is logically consistent to pray and wait for the Lord to do His Thing. Of course, just because something is internally logically consistent does not make it "reasonable" -- certainly not from a non-believer's perspective.

On a side note: I love it when religious idiocy runs up against the law as in this case. I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often; it should.

Wed, 30 May 2012 06:11:52 UTC | #944396

strangebrew's Avatar Comment 10 by strangebrew

OP

“I didn’t want to be weak in my faith and disappoint God.”

Well you failed abysmally...

So pissed off with you was your god that he killed your son after grievous righteous torture and threw your ignorant raggedy ass in jail...

Fucking utter moron!

As for the rest of your brain dead cronies in your cult...how can so much stupid gather in one place at one time?

Wed, 30 May 2012 06:36:17 UTC | #944397

Rosbif's Avatar Comment 11 by Rosbif

I think we all on this sight are baffled as to how a parent can do this to their child just to keep an imaginary spirit happy. However, wouldn't the comments here be better placed on their site (some with a little editing :) ) ... there's no subs required and maybe the peeps reading the NewOK might see that not all people are sympathetic to dogs mysterious ways.

Wed, 30 May 2012 07:41:00 UTC | #944405

scottishgeologist's Avatar Comment 12 by scottishgeologist

These people are nuts. Unfortunately, one of the things that seems to be happening (in my part of the world anyway) is that. as the traditional church shrinks into further irrelevance, the evangie, fundy, charismaniac brigade are what is left, and they are seriously into this faith healing BS. Big time.

Check out "Healing Herald" if you want ot see some real numbnuttery

www.healingherald.org

For a taster , try this, its unreal.....

Missing leg starts to grow

SG

Wed, 30 May 2012 07:53:10 UTC | #944407

Jumped Up Chimpanzee's Avatar Comment 13 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee

Every religious preacher and religious politician shares the full blame for these incidents.

How can you reconcile on one hand telling people throughout their whole life that God exists, that God looks after you - especially when you put your faith, trust and belief in him - and on the other hand punish people for following that advice?

Wed, 30 May 2012 08:13:02 UTC | #944410

Anvil's Avatar Comment 14 by Anvil

Comment 12 by scottishgeologist

Ha ha ha! Cheers SG.

Can't wait to see the follow up of him cutting his toenails.

Noticed that even McAfee told me to be careful of that site.

Loved the text below the video which stated that one of the idiots had started seeing light through his glass eye!

Isn't that like toenails growing on a prosthetic foot?

Thank you, Jesus, for finally loving amputees!

Unreal, indeed.

Anvil.

Wed, 30 May 2012 08:31:18 UTC | #944412

Chala's Avatar Comment 15 by Chala

Religion can hijack reason so completely.

I wish God could be imprisoned also, at least for this case. Of course, it can be followed up by capital punishment for His other grievous crimes.

Wed, 30 May 2012 08:35:09 UTC | #944413

drumdaddy's Avatar Comment 16 by drumdaddy

There is no god, never was one. Save the children from dangerous religious ignorance.

Wed, 30 May 2012 09:01:17 UTC | #944422

Peter Grant's Avatar Comment 17 by Peter Grant

Jury gives "faith healing" mother prison time in son's death http://newsok.com/jury-gives-mother-prison-time-in-death/article/3679118#ixzz1wJqPUNm3

Good.

Wed, 30 May 2012 09:06:06 UTC | #944423

strangebrew's Avatar Comment 18 by strangebrew

Comment 12 & Comment 14

For every barking claim out there there are a legion, and no doubt many many more, that believe the crud hook line and sinker..

Comment 13 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee

Completely agree with that comment this is an abject and lamentably foreseeable failure on the part of the so called 'moderate' scams...that are well aware of the dumbfuckery their insanity leads to, and in a greater part encourages, and they do absolutely diddly squat to avoid the foreseeable consequences of filling the mentally inadequate and incapable with a version of a fairy story that is based on utter fanciful made up bollix.

The 'moderates' are happy enough to go along with the brain dead enthusiasm and the abject naivete for 'gawd', after all their work is done there, but severely lack a modicum of integrity or foresight to realise they are giving a loaded and deadly weapon to the monumentally incapable of wielding it responsibly...It is gross incompetence and they should be in the dock alongside the 'faithful'

It avails the 'moderates' no good in the long run because the cretins they lie and harangue and hoodwink move on to these extreme cockroach nests of theist wishful thinking because they have no balance or realization in their woo worship that it is a not actually a guaranteed deal let alone real. These cretins get the idea from somewhere that 'gawd' is a magik pixie that grants all wishes and cures all malady if enough prayers are offered...now who gives them that idea?

The cults are rife with invented and assumed fucking bullshite which apart from being dangerous, because they have not a functioning clue between them, are given carte blanche to practise it unregulated without culpability by a society that bends over backwards to allow it,...it is beyond anti-social...it is criminal and mentally abusive apart from being a sad indictment of authority.

But that is where all the jeebus howling leads to inevitably...the fact is they would kill us all because their ignorant insanity cannot differentiate between reality and consequence against wishful thinking and fairy story.

Comment 11 by Rosbif

However, wouldn't the comments here be better placed on their site (some with a little editing :) )

No matter how eloquent the prose do you really think they would take any notice? Half of 'em are functionally illiterate anyway...or act like it when they are faced with a criticism, no matter how mild, of their nonsense.

Wed, 30 May 2012 09:41:13 UTC | #944424

Sinister Weasel's Avatar Comment 19 by Sinister Weasel

“I didn’t want to be weak in my faith and disappoint God.”

These statements can only come from the most selfish of people, anyone who uses their faith to justify their actions is a coward, scared of being told off by their invisible parent figure. It really all comes down to them saving their own skin from hell and being rewarded, a truly loving parent would die for their children. It is the same mentality of those who commit any atrocity, it is putting your own life above those of others.

Wed, 30 May 2012 10:00:41 UTC | #944429

SaganTheCat's Avatar Comment 20 by SaganTheCat

Grady, a member of the Church of the Firstborn, told police in 2009, “I didn’t want to be weak in my faith and disappoint God.”

no that's fair enough, got to get your priorities right

it doesn't matter any way, she'll be out in a week if she prays hard enough, won't she? if not it means god wants her to behind bars and she best not dissapoint him

Wed, 30 May 2012 10:20:06 UTC | #944433

Sample's Avatar Comment 21 by Sample

Comment 19 (Sinister Weasel).

Well put.

Mike

Wed, 30 May 2012 10:26:02 UTC | #944435

Alan4discussion's Avatar Comment 22 by Alan4discussion

Comment 12 by scottishgeologist

Missing leg starts to grow

So now all the other starfish can join this religion!

Comment 11 by Rosbif - However, wouldn't the comments here be better placed on their site (some with a little editing :) )

Like this nutty mother - the strength of the denial of reality, is a demonstration of the "strength" of their "faith" in their delusions, which must be defended at all costs (from intrusive realities). They would competitively dispute any reasonable comments on their site or moderators would delete them.
Reason cannot be seen to win in front of faithful sheeples! "God" takes all the ducked responsibilities for all their actions.

Wed, 30 May 2012 10:34:48 UTC | #944436

Katy Cordeth's Avatar Comment 23 by Katy Cordeth

However, wouldn't the comments here be better placed on their site (some with a little editing :) ) ... there's no subs required and maybe the peeps reading the NewOK might see that not all people are sympathetic to dogs mysterious ways.

I think this woman has probably suffered enough without her being exposed to any of the warm-hearted opinions that have been expressed here. She'll have to spend the rest of her life coming to terms with the knowledge that because of her misplaced faith and her own foolishness, she'll never get to see her son grow up; never get to hold the grandchildren he would have given her. I think that not exposing her to this website would constitute an act of kindness; even if it means that she'll be oblivious to all the humour her son's death has engendered. Missing limbs and starfish. Comedy gold.

Wed, 30 May 2012 11:12:23 UTC | #944444

Stafford Gordon's Avatar Comment 24 by Stafford Gordon

It would seem that antediluvian troglodytes abound.

Wed, 30 May 2012 11:39:27 UTC | #944455

strangebrew's Avatar Comment 25 by strangebrew

Comment 23 by katy Cordeth

She'll have to spend the rest of her life coming to terms with the knowledge that because of her misplaced faith and her own foolishness, she'll never get to see her son grow up; never get to hold the grandchildren he would have given her

katy that is the logical, compassionate and rational, if not terribly sad, reaction to this tragedy.

But anyone capable of such a ridiculous and flagrant refusal to seek immediate medical help for her child that actually died because she was more interested in 'not disappointing god' deserves no such consideration however much it would be the 'kind' thing to do in possibly other circumstances!

Will she come to terms with the knowledge that her child died because of her misplaced faith and her own foolishness?

Anyone so wrapped up in her own version of reality is unlikely to analyse her actions to such a conclusion. More likely she will consider jail as her punishment for not praying hard enough...these folk are delusional...and most cases have no cure and most don't want a cure, hell most don't even realize they need a 'cure'...or at least a tiny bit of rationalization in their faith.

Has she realized that her devotion was misplaced, seems that there has been no such admission either in interview or defence, a defence which incidentally is actively promoting the line that her 'conduct was not unreasonable, based upon the teachings of her church.'

In fact implying she was justified in her actions!

That does not sound like she has accepted her culpability...not at all!

Wed, 30 May 2012 11:41:35 UTC | #944457

korben's Avatar Comment 26 by korben

She'll have to spend the rest of her life coming to terms with the knowledge that because of her misplaced faith and her own foolishness, she'll never get to see her son grow up; never get to hold the grandchildren he would have given her.

If that ever happened, that would be a true miracle. Most religious people will cling to their beliefs and explain this death by saying "God works in mysterious ways" or "God loved the child so much that he took him away to be with Him" or some other rubbish. Religion causes such brain atrophy that it becomes a useless organ, like the appendix.

Wed, 30 May 2012 11:45:49 UTC | #944461

Elisabeth Cornwell's Avatar Comment 27 by Elisabeth Cornwell

The State should have prosecuted the religious organization for practicing medicine without a license. There is an excellent book on this topic, The Last Strawberry written by Rita Swan. There is also a watchdog group Children's Healthcare Is a Legal Duty that looks into these cases. I have mixed views on prosecuting the parents, as it seems that the truly guilty are those preachers who teach this sort of neglect as being proof of one's faith.

In deaths like this, we should be taking a closer look at all the mechanisms that set it into motion: special privileges for religious institutions and the community attitude of 'when it comes to religion, we can't make a moral judgment.'

Wed, 30 May 2012 11:58:47 UTC | #944466

strangebrew's Avatar Comment 28 by strangebrew

Comment 27 by Elisabeth Cornwell

it seems that the truly guilty are those preachers who teach this sort of neglect as being proof of one's faith.

Amen!

In deaths like this, we should be taking a closer look at all the mechanisms that set it into motion: special privileges for religious institutions and the community attitude of 'when it comes to religion, we can't make a moral judgment.'

Yes but the 'moderate' theists tend to side step on matters of 'faith'...to near home probably!

I have yet to hear any mainline church to condemn any such consequence of fundy lunacy with any coherency let alone passion.

Wed, 30 May 2012 12:22:50 UTC | #944471

Premiseless's Avatar Comment 29 by Premiseless

Comment 7 by MilitantNonStampCollector :

Religious faith needs to be classified as a mental illness. There should also be a 'strident' and unrelenting attack on the nonsense of prayer, using this case as the perfect artillery.

Until the "religious authorities" are brought under such jurisdiction they are free to inflict their memocide on countless present and next generations.

Wed, 30 May 2012 12:24:03 UTC | #944472

aquilacane's Avatar Comment 30 by aquilacane

Nigh has maintained that Grady’s conduct was not unreasonable, based upon the teachings of her church.

Well that's good. I guess one could maintain that the Nazi's conduct was not unreasonable, based upon the teachings of their Führer.

Wed, 30 May 2012 12:57:07 UTC | #944479