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Mr DArcy's Avatar Comment 1 by Mr DArcy

Oh dear! More mysticism for the unfortunate kids of Louisiana.

The Chinese must be laughing.

Sat, 09 Jun 2012 18:07:12 UTC | #946594

drumdaddy's Avatar Comment 2 by drumdaddy

Jindal is a whore. Save the children!

Sat, 09 Jun 2012 18:08:47 UTC | #946595

sunbeamforjeebus's Avatar Comment 3 by sunbeamforjeebus

The rest of the civilised world will be shaking their heads ,not laughing.

Sat, 09 Jun 2012 18:14:29 UTC | #946597

wesb's Avatar Comment 4 by wesb

One note - most private schools in Louisiana are Catholic-run. And the Catholic church has officially endorsed evolution.

Sat, 09 Jun 2012 18:39:04 UTC | #946601

adyrainbow's Avatar Comment 5 by adyrainbow

"We're doomed, I tell you, doomed!"

Sat, 09 Jun 2012 19:05:01 UTC | #946605

Derdekeas's Avatar Comment 6 by Derdekeas

"We are called to be salt and light and to be planting the seeds of the gospel."

Maybe if they took a real biology class they'd at least learn that "salt" is NOT good for planting!

Sat, 09 Jun 2012 19:14:18 UTC | #946607

kalorenz's Avatar Comment 7 by kalorenz

Another case of Conservative hypocracy. Using government funds to subsidize their own special interest under the guise of freedom. Yet they cry foul when non-religious groups attempt to do the same thing, or when people try to block obvious violations of the Constitution. The Governor of Louisiana is abusing his power to use public money to fund faith-based education, and is in fact allowing the government to tell people how to educate children...precisely in contradiction to what he was objecting to in the first place. Typical right-wing mentality...scream at the top of their lungs against government interference, but then hide within the Consitition when it suits their own interest.

Sat, 09 Jun 2012 19:17:55 UTC | #946608

SomersetJohn's Avatar Comment 8 by SomersetJohn

I suspect that it will not be long before a degree from SOME U.S. universities will be completely devalued. When that happens, how will the parents of the poor students cope with children who they have betrayed?

Oh, I forgot. It will be Satan and his atheist army depriving the poor mites of their rightful place in the workforce!

Sat, 09 Jun 2012 19:28:51 UTC | #946612

Red Dog's Avatar Comment 9 by Red Dog

Keep in mind this is the same Bobby Jindal who performed an exorcism on his girl friend while in college. I know there can be no religious tests for public office but can't we consider a sanity test?

Sat, 09 Jun 2012 19:35:42 UTC | #946614

All About Meme's Avatar Comment 10 by All About Meme

For a proud culture whose gifts to the world include people like Ghandi, Ramanujan, and Ramachandran, how in the hell did Louisiana get stuck with Bobby Jindal?

Politicians like Jindal are simply mirrors who reflect the whims and foibles of their constituents. One would think a man as smart as Jindal could find a more intellectually satisfying career than lying for Jesus.

Sat, 09 Jun 2012 19:38:04 UTC | #946616

Metamag's Avatar Comment 11 by Metamag

The assault continues, with rationality always on the defensive and shrinking fast.

Sat, 09 Jun 2012 20:22:56 UTC | #946622

Neodarwinian's Avatar Comment 12 by Neodarwinian

" We are called to be salt and light and to be planting the seeds of the gospel."

Salt and light!?!?

What the hell does that even mean?

Sounds like money being made off the poor in Louisiana again. This time they do not even get the Huey Long extravaganza!

Sat, 09 Jun 2012 20:31:14 UTC | #946627

Alan4discussion's Avatar Comment 13 by Alan4discussion

Comment 4 by wesb

One note - most private schools in Louisiana are Catholic-run. And the Catholic church has officially endorsed evolution.

Yes but not scientific evolution. They have merely stolen the name "evolution" and usually miss off the first word: - theistic evolution, As you can see below this is pseudo-scientific crapology which has NOTHING to do with evidenced Darwinian evolution or science! - By 1950, Pope Pius XII agreed to the academic freedom to study the scientific implications of evolution, so long as Catholic dogma is not violated.1 Today, the Church's unofficial position is an example of theistic evolution, also known as evolutionary creation,[2] stating that faith and scientific findings regarding human evolution are not in conflict, though humans are regarded as a special creation, and that the existence of God is required to explain both monogenism and the spiritual component of human origins. Moreover, the Church teaches that the process of evolution is a planned and purpose-driven natural process, actively guided by God

Pope Pius IX

On the Origin of Species was published in 1859, during the papacy of Pope Pius IX, who defined dogmatically papal infallibility during the First Vatican Council in 1869–70. The council has a section on "Faith and Reason" that includes the following on science and faith:

"9. Hence all faithful Christians are forbidden to defend as the legitimate conclusions of science those opinions which are known to be contrary to the doctrine of faith, particularly if they have been condemned by the Church; and furthermore they are absolutely bound to hold them to be errors which wear the deceptive appearance of truth." (Vatican Council I)

"10. Not only can faith and reason never be at odds with one another but they mutually support each other, for on the one hand right reason established the foundations of the faith and, illuminated by its light, develops the science of divine things; on the other hand, faith delivers reason from errors and protects it and furnishes it with knowledge of many kinds." (Vatican Council I)

This garbage is a farcical claim that the Vatican can overrule scientific evidence!

On God the Creator, the Vatican Council was very clear. The definitions preceding the "anathema" (as a technical term of Catholic theology, let him be "cut off" or excommunicated, cf. Galatians 1:6–9; Titus 3:10–11; Matthew 18:15–17) signify an infallible doctrine of the Catholic Faith (De Fide):

On God the creator of all things

  1. If anyone denies the one true God, creator and lord of things visible and invisible: let him be anathema.
  2. If anyone is so bold as to assert that there exists nothing besides matter: let him be anathema.

So I'm afraid science "is an anathema" to the RCC!

..and the RCC claims to rationality and compatibility with science, is a joke to any rational scientist!

Sat, 09 Jun 2012 20:46:31 UTC | #946628

Alan4discussion's Avatar Comment 14 by Alan4discussion

.. ... ... .. And to celebrate all your school years of study and hard work, in this system of superior private education, I call on Governor Bobby Jindal to present to you, your Lousy-ana certificates of educational faith in ignorance. A subject in which many of our students now excel !

We need to warn students that some scientific universities are biased against the excellent education in the new faith-fool Lousy-ana private system, so we suggest you apply to Liberty University so as to obtain a university degree in pseudo-scientific ignorance, -( as you may wish to avoid having to qualify in a basic science induction course before entry to scientific studies at other universities)!

A warm welcome to the stage for Governor Bobby Jindal ! The man who made this possible!!

Sat, 09 Jun 2012 21:09:04 UTC | #946632

Anonymous's Avatar Comment 15 by Anonymous

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Sat, 09 Jun 2012 21:11:22 UTC | #946633

Nerevarine's Avatar Comment 16 by Nerevarine

Bible-based math books that don’t cover modern concepts such as set theory

Bible based MATH books? Really? I understand why they might want to subvert history and science to suit their own agenda, but what possible threat could set theory pose to them?

Sat, 09 Jun 2012 21:36:15 UTC | #946640

Sharpur's Avatar Comment 17 by Sharpur

Comment 10 by All About Meme :

For a proud culture whose gifts to the world include people like Ghandi, Ramanujan, and Ramachandran, how in the hell did Louisiana get stuck with Bobby Jindal?

Ghandi was from Louisiana? Because that's where Piyush "Bobby" Jindal was born and raised. That's his 'culture'.

I've noticed several responses on the Freethinker site mentioning that such an education will render the children subjected to it unemployable. Actually it wont. It will render them unfit for anything other than the very lowest paid employment. Louisiana is one of the states which currently has no state minimum wage law (thus, currently, Federal law applies). Is it cynical of me to suggest that some people in the US might welcome an expansion of the proportion of citizens who have no choice but to work for minimum wage? How to you stop the demand for immigrant labour and re-import those jobs outsourced to Asia? One solution might be to create an uneducated underclass who will, in effect, work for food. Just speculating.

Sat, 09 Jun 2012 21:39:19 UTC | #946643

Jumped Up Chimpanzee's Avatar Comment 18 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee

I really can't think of anything more despicable than deliberately fucking up a child's education.

So much time, effort and money is wasted trying to stop this mindless assault. There really should be laws brought in to prevent this. If people want to express a view that children should have a religious education, that's one thing, but when they actually try and implement it they should be locked up.

Sat, 09 Jun 2012 21:55:22 UTC | #946650

Sample's Avatar Comment 19 by Sample

Mods, anyway you can hide this article from crookedshoes? He's not going to like it. :-j


Sat, 09 Jun 2012 23:05:28 UTC | #946665

God fearing Atheist's Avatar Comment 20 by God fearing Atheist

Comment 1 by Mr DArcy :

The Chinese must be laughing.


Sat, 09 Jun 2012 23:35:49 UTC | #946669

Quine's Avatar Comment 21 by Quine

They may not be laughing for long: China’s “Christianity Fever” Revisited: Towards a Community-Oriented Reading of Christian Conversions in China. Christianity may be the West's secret weapon to bring them down to our level.

Sat, 09 Jun 2012 23:50:20 UTC | #946670

78rpm's Avatar Comment 22 by 78rpm

Just please, remember the blind men and the elephant. The U.S., is a big country, and I'm not referring to land area. Louisiana is just one part, one disgusting part of that disgraceful Bible Belt. There is a lot more to us than that or than the recent poll seems to indicate. Most of us in the rest of the country have known for a long time what the general intelligence level is in Louisiana, Texas, etc. Please step back and take a longer, broader view of us.

Sun, 10 Jun 2012 00:12:37 UTC | #946671

PERSON's Avatar Comment 23 by PERSON

Comment 12 by Neodarwinian

It's an insider-targeted reference to Matthew 5:13-16. Saltiness means pleasing to God: full of faith (an impulse to claim to know things one does not know) and the holy spirit (positive reinforcement through ecstatic trance), i.e. unquestioningly obedient to the church hierarchy. That is, orthodox. Light means spreading the message (memeplex) to other people: waking up the sheeple, that kind of thing. It's commonly cited as an instruction to evangelize whilst remaining a true (i.e. pure) believer.

Comment 22 by 78rpm

That shouldn't make it any less of a source of shame. The ruling class has the power, and thus the responsibility-- jointly with those who tolerate or worse support them-- for what happens to the least in their charge.

Comment 17 by Sharpur

I think you're right, in that the supporters of this who know it's BS have a class war race-to-the-bottom ideology. They want to undercut the peasants in China with their own peasants.

Sun, 10 Jun 2012 00:42:42 UTC | #946675

PERSON's Avatar Comment 24 by PERSON

Comment 16 by Nerevarine

Well, a set is just another name for a class... perhaps they think set theory is Communist?

Sun, 10 Jun 2012 01:01:29 UTC | #946678

Border Collie's Avatar Comment 25 by Border Collie

devout = devoid

Sun, 10 Jun 2012 01:56:21 UTC | #946679

zeerust2000's Avatar Comment 26 by zeerust2000

I know that the events in Louisiana don't characterise the US as a whole, but from an Australian perspective it seems that these parts of the US belong back in the seventeenth century. Just what the hell is going on over there? I'm a teacher myself, and I pity these poor kids. The education of children is, if I may use the term, a sacred duty. These dickheads obviously don't care a damn. Recently I've been watching Ken Burns "The Civil War". The whole thing of states rights is still a problem it seems. You guys need a national mandatory curriculum.

Sun, 10 Jun 2012 01:59:15 UTC | #946680

ewaldrep's Avatar Comment 27 by ewaldrep

I think we need to start having entrance exams for basic scientific education for students that come from these schools and have required, remedial classes prior to acceptance for university education. I am hesitant to penalize students for poor decisions of legislators but maybe that will stem the poor decisions they are making.

Sun, 10 Jun 2012 02:13:13 UTC | #946681

currerbell's Avatar Comment 28 by currerbell

Something I'm beginning to notice is that the Catholics from the US sound an awful lot like Baptists these days. All that Satan stuff and supporting creationism! I was brought up a Catholic in the sixties, ( not in the US) taught by nuns but we were still taught the theory of evolution. It was regarded as compatible with god.

Sun, 10 Jun 2012 02:18:06 UTC | #946682

Katy Cordeth's Avatar Comment 29 by Katy Cordeth

At Eternity Christian Academy in Westlake, pastor-turned-principal Marie Carrier hopes to secure extra space to enroll 135 voucher students, though she now has room for just a few dozen.

Her first- through eighth-grade students sit in cubicles for much of the day and move at their own pace through Christian workbooks, such as a beginner’s science text that explains “what God made” on each of the six days of creation.

Is it called Eternity Christian Academy because that's how long each schoolday feels like to its students?

Sun, 10 Jun 2012 02:38:01 UTC | #946683

Greyman's Avatar Comment 30 by Greyman

Comment 12 by Neodarwinian :

" We are called to be salt and light and to be planting the seeds of the gospel."

Salt and light!?!?

What the hell does that even mean?

It's a load of fertilizer.

Sun, 10 Jun 2012 05:16:58 UTC | #946690