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G Bile's Avatar Comment 1 by G Bile

The 'FixedEarth' link above does not work (there should a space between the com and the comma!).*

Well, the link does not 'work' anyway, because there is some evidence that the earth is really moving, around the sun, around the center of our galaxy and so on.

But then there is Mr. Chisum ...

* Already corrected, thanks.

Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:31:00 UTC | #20327

CruciFiction's Avatar Comment 2 by CruciFiction

Watch this Rep. Warren Chisum nutjob play the part on the Texas house floor:

Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:33:00 UTC | #20328

beelzebub's Avatar Comment 3 by beelzebub

Surely this is a joke? I mean, no one with even a single brain cell could go for this stuff? Anyway, that 'Fixed Earth' site looks suspiciously like a spoof to me - maybe the representatives are taking the p** out of us! :-)

Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:43:00 UTC | #20330

Roy_H's Avatar Comment 4 by Roy_H

what a batty website! it reminds me of the guy Patrick Moore was interviewing many years ago on British TV who formulated a theory that the moon was not a globe at all, but a flat disc, oh and before I forget, it was made of pure carbon!

Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:44:00 UTC | #20331

ligfietser's Avatar Comment 8 by ligfietser

Is this website some Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster on steroids, or are these guys for real? If the latter is the case, it's the ultimate evidence religion IS a virus of the mind. And it seems closely connected to conspiracy paranoia.

Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:10:00 UTC | #20337

thompjs's Avatar Comment 10 by thompjs is also impressive for it 1995 website layout.

Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:21:00 UTC | #20339

MouthAlmighty's Avatar Comment 15 by MouthAlmighty

Stop the earth! I want to get... oh... hang on...

Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:08:00 UTC | #20344

PaulJ's Avatar Comment 16 by PaulJ

Well, I had a look at that 'fixed earth' site. It's obviously nonsense as there's no mention of turtles.

Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:17:00 UTC | #20347

bitbutter's Avatar Comment 17 by bitbutter


What he seems to be opposing is the stance that people like Dr Dawkins take which even other Darwinists find embarrasing. We see this in the God Delusion where Dawkins is quite adament about the folly of believing in a God we can't see, touch, or feel but is quite willing to state his belief in extraterrestrial civilisations.

There are no reasons to suppose there might be a god. There are good reasons to suppose there might be alien life.

Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:40:00 UTC | #20351

the great teapot's Avatar Comment 18 by the great teapot

Get a grip gimlibengon.
The likelihood that other creatures ,in whatever form ,exist is infinitely greater than a god who has all the contradictory attributes of the God that we in our anthropomorphic attempts to make sense of our own existance have clearly invented.
I can't give evidence for the above, just use your bloody commonsense man.

Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:51:00 UTC | #20354

Arcturus's Avatar Comment 19 by Arcturus

"This is seen in The God Delusion where Dawkins is so against the idea of believing in a God one can't see, taste, or touch but is quite willing to believe in extraterrestrial civilisations which are also quite outside the boundaries of empirical science."

The existence of extraterestrial life, although as improbable as it is, does not require a supranatural explanation. What Dr. Dawkins argue is that the existence of God is HIGHLY improbable, the most improbable. Even a celestial teapot is more probable than God. It might have slipped out of a NASA spaceship.

Everybody needs to be critical about everything, I don't think Dr. Dawkins would mind critical insight.

Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:54:00 UTC | #20355

Dogbreath's Avatar Comment 20 by Dogbreath

gimlibengloin...posting the same comment twice doesn't make it true. Here's my question to you. Do you think they are saying that evolution and creationism are epistemoligically the same?

And, there is nothing embarassing about scientists wanting to falsify the theory of evolution. It's just that this needs to be done through science, not witchcraft.

Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:56:00 UTC | #20356

Arcturus's Avatar Comment 21 by Arcturus

I wonder how these Fixed Earth people explain the Foucault pendulum, the cyclone rotation and the Coriolis force. What a bunch of idiots ...

I'm sorry to say this, but US has become a sad country. There is a HUGE distance between the excellent research that is being done there and the population which is being idiocracized by the religious figures.

Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:07:00 UTC | #20358

Zaphod's Avatar Comment 5 by Zaphod

Sometimes you just have to stand up and say "Excuse me sir, you are an idiot".

Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:46:00 UTC | #20332

Boogie's Avatar Comment 22 by Boogie

I know it's been said many times before, but the great tragedy is that many scientists have to waste their time arguing with such people, when they could be doing something useful. To paraphrase John Cleese, the simple fact is that these people are operating at an extremely low level of mental health. As Lewis Black said in the fossils clip linked here a few days ago: "Evolution is a major thread in the larger tapestry that I like to call... REALITY!"

Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:53:00 UTC | #20367

ButteryAtheist's Avatar Comment 6 by ButteryAtheist


What rubbish.
Everyone knows the moon is made of cheese.

Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:03:00 UTC | #20334

Bizarro Dawkins's Avatar Comment 7 by Bizarro Dawkins

Fighting dogmatism with more dogmatism are we?

Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:07:00 UTC | #20335

Mel Z's Avatar Comment 9 by Mel Z

"Indisputable evidence – long hidden but now available to everyone – demonstrates conclusively that so-called 'secular evolution science' is the Big Bang, 15-billion-year, alternate 'creation scenario' of the Pharisee Religion,"

I haven't laughed so hard in a long time

Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:12:00 UTC | #20338

Saiph's Avatar Comment 24 by Saiph

Jesus what a weird site, got a headache with the changing fonts and colours. So the stars rotate the Earth every 24 hours!! I am still not convinced this is not a wind up it is just too bizzare. Maybe they will be teaching this is in the deep south in a few years.

Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:21:00 UTC | #20372

Arcturus's Avatar Comment 11 by Arcturus

There are stupid people and stupid people ... but these ones are beyond the limits of comprehension.

It makes me sick to the stomach to read that Fixed Earth website. These people belong in a mental institution. It wouldn't be a problem if they kept it to themselves, but idiocy is contagious and I'm afraid that the american southerner is an easy target.

I was just reading this book "Prophets, Cults and Madness" by Anthony Stevens and John Price. It makes so much more sense now :)

Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:22:00 UTC | #20340

Shuggy's Avatar Comment 25 by Shuggy

Comment #22496 by gimlibengloin
"Dawkins is so against the idea of believing in a God one can't see, taste, or touch"

I do get tired of this characterisation, like the Old Man With a Long Beard. Atheists aren't idiots: we believe in gazillions of things you can't see taste or touch, just like everyone else: air, electricity, protons, radio waves and so on.

Your God is far less tangible than that: S/He/It behaves exactly as if S/He/It isn't there. Atheists just draw the obvious conclusion.

"but is quite willing to believe in extraterrestrial civilisations"

I think you're confusing RD with Stephen Jay Gould, but both are fall well short of believing in them. Both just say they are not impossible.

"which are also quite outside the boundaries of empirical science."
Nonsense. That's what SETI is all about.

Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:26:00 UTC | #20373

Katana's Avatar Comment 26 by Katana

Why do they always push to have it taught in science classes. Don't regular science textbooks go through a multi-stage process of peer-review and scrutiny before they are allowed into a public school curriculum? It seems the creationists want to get straight into the schools without the hassle of such a process.
I don't have a problem with it being taught a in religious education class, since that is what it should be taught in, but i'm not sure if they have those in america or not, which may be the problem.

Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:28:00 UTC | #20374

RickM's Avatar Comment 27 by RickM

"Watch this Rep. Warren Chisum nutjob play the part on the Texas house floor: "

Absolutely hilarious; it's against the law in Texas for a "prick to touch an ass-hole".


Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:29:00 UTC | #20375

jefferson's Avatar Comment 28 by jefferson

Goblin, Mr. Dawkins never said he "believed" in the existence of intelligent alien civilizations like people believe in God. He said they were highly probable.

Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:31:00 UTC | #20376

neander's Avatar Comment 29 by neander

gimlibengloin may not have completely understood RD. "Gods" have no evidence whatsoever, however, extraterrestrial life is possible howeverimprobable because we can already see that life does evolve from nothing (us).
As to US flatearthers/creationists, should we let them have their way then the country will collapse.

Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:33:00 UTC | #20377

WalkingARazor's Avatar Comment 12 by WalkingARazor

These people run my country?

Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:33:00 UTC | #20341

olly's Avatar Comment 13 by olly

Mad, plain raving loopi doop mad

Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:37:00 UTC | #20342

atheisticism's Avatar Comment 14 by atheisticism

Soooo, evolution is an ancient religious belief but creationism is a science?? Not surprising really, theists always try to turn the tables by accusing science of whatever they get accused of [being irrational, having no evidence, being dogmatic, etc.] It's very much like the way small children respond to insults-"and same to you, so there" I guess that's all you can do when you don't have a leg to stand on.

Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:39:00 UTC | #20343

atheisticism's Avatar Comment 30 by atheisticism

Sorry gim but i fail to see the comparison between alien life forms and the magical "spirit world" Who was it that said "the invisible and the non-existent look very much alike"?

Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:46:00 UTC | #20379

justme's Avatar Comment 31 by justme

Crap. No joke. This guy's serious and the site -- one verse short of the Flat Earth Society whackos -- looks entirely serious.

Can anyone find out if this is in anyway a hoax?

I'd think that people aren't this stupid ... but then, why are we arguing about evolution vs. creationism?

Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:59:00 UTC | #20382