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Lagomort's Avatar Comment 1 by Lagomort

bravissimo

Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:43:00 UTC | #30794

BT Murtagh's Avatar Comment 2 by BT Murtagh

Beautiful.

Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:45:00 UTC | #30796

krogercomplete's Avatar Comment 3 by krogercomplete

Bravo.

Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:47:00 UTC | #30797

filthyatheist's Avatar Comment 4 by filthyatheist

Amen

Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:49:00 UTC | #30798

Logicel's Avatar Comment 5 by Logicel

Very emotive. Contrast this essay brimming over with compassion and intelligence and the wretched article written by D'Sousa. Since D'Sousa has shown a consistent inability to feel shame for his hateful opinions, one almost is compelled to feel it for him.

Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:54:00 UTC | #30804

Daedalus's Avatar Comment 6 by Daedalus

D'Sousa demonstrates once again how the term "conservative intellectual" is an oxymoron. Atheists are scarce amongst university faculties?

Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:00:00 UTC | #30807

dreamflow's Avatar Comment 7 by dreamflow

Brilliant. I've link it here: Infidel Links #2

Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:18:00 UTC | #30811

MarkSmith's Avatar Comment 8 by MarkSmith

Thank you. Your eloquence at a time like this is heartwarming.

In an above comment, Logicel states he might be compelled to feel shame for D'Sousa. Well, if D'Sousa has the character to write letter of apology to you, I might also. But I think a better course of action is to inform his blog editor, or Stanford of just how horribly he reflects on them. Does anyone have an address?

Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:23:00 UTC | #30812

Ev3nt H0riz0n's Avatar Comment 9 by Ev3nt H0riz0n

That was truly beautiful...

Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:29:00 UTC | #30813

js5535's Avatar Comment 10 by js5535

I hope D'Souza reads this and feels some stain on his conscience after that idiotic article of his. If he has any true sense of compassion he will apologize.
Neither atheists nor theists should use tragic events in which mental illness is clearly to blame for their own agendas.

Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:37:00 UTC | #30816

CruciFiction's Avatar Comment 11 by CruciFiction

Dinesh D'Souza is lower than a sea breeze. Scum.

Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:48:00 UTC | #30817

Jolly Wally's Avatar Comment 12 by Jolly Wally

Incredible :')

Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:51:00 UTC | #30818

Russell Blackford's Avatar Comment 13 by Russell Blackford

We're dealing with somebody (I mean D'Souza) who has demonstrated that he has not an ounce of shame or dignity or basic human decency. I was never a fan of his - quite the opposite, I admit - but I did not imagine that he would sink so low as we've seen in his recent blog posts. I don't even think, now, that there's much point in trying to engage him: anyone can see immediately just how irresponsible and opportunistic he is. He really is scum.

Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:11:00 UTC | #30821

Astroboy's Avatar Comment 14 by Astroboy

I couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks!

Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:18:00 UTC | #30824

krispar's Avatar Comment 15 by krispar

Dinesh D'Souza writes: Notice something interesting about the aftermath of the Virginia Tech shootings? Atheists are nowhere to be found.

Viewing the horrific events on TV last evening the following comment was made by a female fundamentalist Christian preacher.

"I came here to help and comfort today, but the reality is that some of the students that were shot, are in hell today"!!!!!!!

This sick remark, devoid of any compassion, is the logical consequence of convoluted theological thinking.

Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:30:00 UTC | #30828

gdw's Avatar Comment 16 by gdw

I had to become a registered user to post this comment!!!!!

Mapantsula's article was one of the most moving pieces I have read in a long time. Very moving! Thank you very much!!!

Several paragraphs in this piece I could almost use as a personal manifesto.

Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:39:00 UTC | #30830

Damien White's Avatar Comment 17 by Damien White

Mr D'souza's political grandstanding is a disgrace, not least of all because it will increase the length of the healing period.

But it begs the question: who are the religious, to prey on people in their moment of weakness? Is it morally just that religion seeks to give consolation with the added hook of required belief, at the time when people are at their most addled and vulnerable.

Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:51:00 UTC | #30833

MorituriMax's Avatar Comment 18 by MorituriMax

I don't understand where someone like that gets off telling us we're bad because we're atheists and where is Richard Dawkins when something like this happens?

I'd rather ask, "Where was God?" If we live in a universe with a supposed God that embodies all the good in the same universe, and yet this God won't step forward and stop the Cho Seung-Hui's of the world, then might we not as well LIVE in a universe with no God?

If all the prayers of the world are one-way, why do the religious believers think they have some kind of step up over us, the non-believers?

Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:54:00 UTC | #30835

foxfire's Avatar Comment 19 by foxfire

Thank you Mapantsula - what you wrote was beautiful and true. My "heart" goes out to you all you Hokies.

Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:58:00 UTC | #30836

briancoughlanworldcitizen's Avatar Comment 20 by briancoughlanworldcitizen

But it begs the question: who are the religious, to prey on people in their moment of weakness? Is it morally just that religion seeks to give consolation with the added hook of required belief, at the time when people are at their most addled and vulnerable.

Excellent point. This fraud is most readily perpetrated on the young, the injured, the weak or disoriented. Is it any wonder this criminal misrepresentation persists, when people are exposed to it, when least able to see the rotting support struts behind the painted facade?

Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:57:00 UTC | #30847

caledonventures's Avatar Comment 21 by caledonventures

As our physiology evolved billions of years ago, so did compassion without the help of religion.

Regarding D'Souza, he surely must be one of the examples of Genetic Anomaly. Fortunately for him there is help, if wanted. Neuroscience, Stem Cell research and gentic engineering can explain his probs, then, correct his inherited unfavourable traits.

Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:05:00 UTC | #30848

Satanburiedfossils's Avatar Comment 22 by Satanburiedfossils

I certainly do not want to make light of the terrible incident at VA Tech, but I feel compelled to consider a few points:

* Why is it that during a crisis, Xtians conveniently ignore the suspicious absence of the Deity? Unless, of course, there happens to be a positive outcome, in which case the same Xtians claim to be able to clearly discern the Deity's fingerprints!

* The Deity is never held to account for being negligent, nor is it considered deserving of rebuke when it is bad. Indeed, the Deity actually earns more favor when it is bad than when it is good.

* What exactly is the purpose of prayer in the wake of tragedies like this? That is, what do Xtians expect to achieve by praying? Is this merely a reflexive action? Does the Deity crave worship to the extent that Xtians must supplicate themselves at every opportunity, even in the aftermath of the most devastating events? Yet the Deity appears to be so capricious that even the most earnest prayers seem to hold little sway over it.

Following through on the previous point, the Deity's seemingly insatiable appetite for glorification is aptly addressed in Dave E. Matson essay "Does God Need Praise and Glory?" (excerpts follow):

The human ego ... knows no bounds. Therefore, it imagines that mankind was not only created by an all-powerful being, but that the entire universe was created for man's benefit! (The Bible is very man-orientated.) If that isn't bad enough, the human ego imagines that such a god absolutely craves human praise and attention. Thus, like a vain, oriental potentate, God takes great pains to cloak himself in GLORY. He wants to impress his created subjects.

...The god of the Bible sucks up praise like a vacuum cleaner sucking up dirt! As if he couldn't squeeze enough praise from his multitudes on earth, God has special beings installed around his very throne whose sole role is to sing his endless praise! Apparently God's ego is even bigger than man's and needs a steady stream of super-heated air to prop it up.

...Have you ever noticed how easily fountains of praise to the Lord tumble and flow in a great flood from Christian lips? It seems as if there was a contest to see who could praise God the most! Make God happy by singing his praises day and night!

...The working brain recognizes that the ego-happy god of the Bible, the GLORY seeker of the Old Testament and the praise-absorbing sponge of the Old and New Testaments, is a manmade creation. Primitive minds have extended their own faulty concepts of human greatness and vanity to come up with their idea of God, the super, Mideastern potentate. Such work cannot be "God's own words."

http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/common_sense/praising_god.html

Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:10:00 UTC | #30849

chauvinj's Avatar Comment 23 by chauvinj

Update

Mr D'Souza has more to say:

And boy the atheists are up in arms! They're mad as hell about my post "Where is Atheism When Bad Things Happen." Many responders informed me that tragedies are normally considered a problem for religion, not atheism. Where is God when bad things happen? Yes, people, I know this. My point was that if evil and suffering are a problem for religion--and they are--they are an even bigger problem for atheism.
The reason is suggested from the quotation given above. When there is a tragedy like the one at Virginia Tech, the ones who are suffering cannot help asking questions, "Why did this have to happen?" "Why is there so much evil in the world?" "How can I possibly go on after losing my child?" And so on.
In my post I noted that Richard Dawkins had not been invited to address the mourners at Virginia Tech. Several atheists--who haven't yet lost their fundamentalist habit of reading--took this sarcastic statement literally. "So what? The Pope hasn't been invited either!" My point was that atheism has nothing to offer in the face of tragedy except C'est la vie. Deal with it. Get over it. This is why the ceremonies were suffused with religious rhetoric. Only the language of religion seems appropriate to the magnitude of tragedy. Only God seems to have the power to heal hearts in such circumstances. If someone started to read from Dawkins on why there is no good and no evil in the universe, people would start vomiting or leaving.
One clever writer informs me that atheists don't deny meaning, they simply insist that meaning is not inherent in the universe, it is created by us. Okay, pal, here's the Virginia Tech situation. Go create some meaning and share it with the rest of us Give us that atheist sermon with you in the pulpit of the campus chapel. I'm not being facetious here. I really want to hear what the atheist would tell the grieving mothers.

Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:28:00 UTC | #30852

briancoughlanworldcitizen's Avatar Comment 24 by briancoughlanworldcitizen

I really want to hear what the atheist would tell the grieving mothers.

As opposed to that they are (possibly) burning in Hell, or (possibly) sipping milk and feasting on Honey in Heaven, but to be perfectly honest we haven't the first idea what has happened to them, if anything?

Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:34:00 UTC | #30855

pissinintothewind's Avatar Comment 25 by pissinintothewind

Sick Bastard

Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:58:00 UTC | #30859

stevencarrwork's Avatar Comment 26 by stevencarrwork

I remember the wise words of Jesus when he was asked about innocent people killed in a horrible tragedy.

Luke 13:4-5 'Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.'

When do atheists offer similar words of comfort for the distressed and bereaved?

Never. That shows you how morally bankrupt atheism is.

Thu, 19 Apr 2007 23:12:00 UTC | #30863

ICONIC FREEDOM's Avatar Comment 27 by ICONIC FREEDOM

Professor,

Your message inspires, thank you.

This is a tragedy, a tragedy for the loss of potential of each and every victim for which words do not comfort; only the solace of time will heal this scar.

Our moments with one another are indeed fleeting, placing your desire of where to spend those moments becomes even more important as you move past this tragedy.

We support your struggle now, followed by your triumph later.

Thu, 19 Apr 2007 23:21:00 UTC | #30864

Absinthius's Avatar Comment 28 by Absinthius

This is beautifull, i can't belive how short-minded some people can be when it comes to their personal arrogance regarding their religion. D'Souza is obviously just trying to throw extra oil on the fire, instead of trying to show compassion for the atheistic victims of this drama, basically denying their capability or right to feel bad about this. Im glad atheists (or at least the larger part of them) do have the decency to let people deal with this the way they feel is the best.

Thu, 19 Apr 2007 23:29:00 UTC | #30868

Gordon Brown's Avatar Comment 29 by Gordon Brown

stevenkarrwork (No. 27):

Luke 13:4-5 'Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them¬ódo you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.'


Words of comfort for the distressed and bereaved? Sounds more like a self-interested and thinly-veiled threat to my ears.

But that's of no consequence here. Kudos to Prof. Mapantsula for providing an elegant counterpoint to the execrable, vile and wretched rant of Mr. D'Souza.

Thu, 19 Apr 2007 23:32:00 UTC | #30869

stevencarrwork's Avatar Comment 30 by stevencarrwork

GORDON BROWN
Words of comfort for the distressed and bereaved? Sounds more like a self-interested and thinly-veiled threat to my ears.

CARR
Strange that the words of Jesus are so relevant to innocent victims killed by tragedy, and yet the religious just ignore whatever Jesus happens to say on the subject, even when it directly speaks to the situation.

Perhaps because they can see the lack of compassion shown and instinctively know that it would portray their Saviour in a bad light?

Thu, 19 Apr 2007 23:38:00 UTC | #30870