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scottishgeologist's Avatar Comment 1 by scottishgeologist

"The evidence is they were not Christian. God does not do that to his servants," a church spokesperson told CBS news

Eh? So Christians dont get killed?

So much for the "blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church" and also these guys who were murdered in Turkey.

These guys need locking up

All this "hate " talk.

When RD was talking to that nutjob "jew turned muzzie" in the "Root of all Evil", the guy said he "hated atheists" Dawkins said "he didnt hate anyone"

Seems like Love and Fundieism are mutually exclusive.

Fri, 20 Apr 2007 00:10:00 UTC | #30882

mickghost's Avatar Comment 2 by mickghost

I cannot stand church groups who use tragedies to push thier own agenda.
It really is scary how many nut cases there are that can try to blame the victims for their own murder.

Fri, 20 Apr 2007 00:11:00 UTC | #30883

padster1976's Avatar Comment 3 by padster1976

The Bush's administration often has a singular viewpoint on how to interpret human rights. Yet there must be some way to protect the families of those killed!

As America is a democrasy/ plutocracy, there is still a secular way to deal with these people.

Obviously, simply shouting them down would only add fire to their rhetoric however, as in the Dover trial of '06, let them have their day in court to fully voice their opinion and let them have due process.

Its a safe bet that the damning that ID got from Dover, will be meted out for them as well.

These people has something to say, let them have and see if they're humiliated or not.

We had a program here on the BBC in the UK where the reporter spent some time with the family.

90% of the time they were a normal family yet theres the 1 facet of their lives that was just pure hate. It all comes from the grand-daddy. Get him in court and we'll see what he has to say.

Guaranteed laughs!

Fri, 20 Apr 2007 00:20:00 UTC | #30884

Cook@Tahiti's Avatar Comment 4 by Cook@Tahiti

Hmmm - how can we get more publicity and stir up more controversy? I know, we'll picket the most sensitive high-profile events we can find and the media will hypocritically play along... putty in our hands.

Fri, 20 Apr 2007 00:34:00 UTC | #30887

Bremas's Avatar Comment 5 by Bremas

Okay, I'm done with this shit.
I had a long diatribe. Just go there and talk to these women who want out. It can be done.

Fri, 20 Apr 2007 01:21:00 UTC | #30894

GeneMachine's Avatar Comment 6 by GeneMachine

Re: Comment #33378 by mickghost:

"I cannot stand church groups who use tragedies to push thier own agenda."

Are there any that don't ??

Fri, 20 Apr 2007 01:59:00 UTC | #30904

Eventhorizon's Avatar Comment 7 by Eventhorizon

Many gay people had heard of this family years ago when they picketed the funeral of Matthew shephard to which the media paid little attention.
Its wasnt until they started protesting at the funerals of soldiers that somebody decided something should done!
Sorry, I had to get that off my chest

Fri, 20 Apr 2007 02:08:00 UTC | #30906

k1mgy's Avatar Comment 8 by k1mgy

The headline should read "Virginia", not "VT" which abbreviates Vermont. Although Vermont has a rather liberal gun law it has not suffered this level of violence.

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The alleged humans who make up the "Westboro Baptist Church" are semi-corporeal proof of exactly the sorts of dangers which Professor Dawkins points out in his book. Particular mention ought be given the indoctrination of children (the photo above as brilliant illustration) which for this group really goes beyond the almost-innocent "child abuse" that Dawkins refers to, because of the actions it engenders.

Suppressing the hate speech of WBC will of course know no boundary and therefore be quick to shut off even reasoned debate (although if there were ever an argument for a "free speech zone" they are certainly candidates), so I say let these true nut cases continue on. Eventually, over time, they will dwindle and go away, as do other nasty things such as mosquitoes at a picnic.

To me, WBC are analogs to an aggressive male character type - one who puffs themselves up in every quarter simply out of their own inner insecurity. You will find these in every sphere of life, particularly in males who have gained "success" in business and politics. They turn out quite smaller than one might imagine, like the little pipsqueak behind the curtain in The Wizard of Oz. In WBC's case media attention tends to amplify - creating an illusion of power - but may well hasten their end.

These are people who the phrase "get a life" was made for. It's very sad that - because they are in so deep - likely nothing will have the power to pull them back to reality, not even the sorrow and hatred that they generate from the defenseless victims of this horrific tragedy in the US.

Fri, 20 Apr 2007 02:08:00 UTC | #30907

grolaw's Avatar Comment 9 by grolaw

Fred Phelps, the head of WBC, is a disbarred attorney (stole from his trust) and has been all over the place with this kind of barbarity because he is receiving outside funding.

Whatever else they may be, I have found one easy way to make them go away - engage any of them (though the younger women are easier targets) and discuss how difficult it mist be to have to travel so far to give their message. That hotels are expensive - how do they afford to come to XXX place and tell us the truth. Invariably you will hear how they travel together and how the women and men are segregated in different hotel rooms.

Ask if it isn't difficult to be separated from spouse and the response is always "no" not when doing "god's work" - ask if spouse is in the other hotel room and spouse always is (these people are all extended family of Fred Phelps).

Then point out that it seems very gay to segregate married couples into "boys and girls" at the hotel. Act shocked as you realize that this is a gay hate group masquerading as straight and tell them that they should read their own signs!

I've had several of them run away from me - and I never raised my voice or gave them any reason to believe that I wasn't on their side until I point out the implications of their strange lifestyle. They are so homophobic that they simply can't take any analysis that suggests they might be gay!

I'm an attorney in Kansas City. A slippery slope argument leading them into questioning their sexual identity drives them totally over the edge - every time.

Fri, 20 Apr 2007 02:47:00 UTC | #30915

Agrajag's Avatar Comment 10 by Agrajag

9. Comment #33404 by k1mgy on April 20, 2007 at 3:08 am
The headline should read "Virginia", not "VT" which abbreviates Vermont. Although Vermont has a rather liberal gun law it has not suffered this level of violence.

In this case, "VT" = "Virginia Tech". A bit confusing, but most people will figure it out. Except these slime mold protesters from WBC.
Steve

Fri, 20 Apr 2007 02:50:00 UTC | #30917

Chris Roberts's Avatar Comment 11 by Chris Roberts

10. Comment #33412 by grolaw on April 20, 2007 at 3:47 am


Fred Phelps, the head of WBC, is a disbarred attorney (stole from his trust) and has been all over the place with this kind of barbarity because he is receiving outside funding.

Whatever else they may be, I have found one easy way to make them go away - engage any of them (though the younger women are easier targets) and discuss how difficult it mist be to have to travel so far to give their message. That hotels are expensive - how do they afford to come to XXX place and tell us the truth. Invariably you will hear how they travel together and how the women and men are segregated in different hotel rooms.

Ask if it isn't difficult to be separated from spouse and the response is always "no" not when doing "god's work" - ask if spouse is in the other hotel room and spouse always is (these people are all extended family of Fred Phelps).

Then point out that it seems very gay to segregate married couples into "boys and girls" at the hotel. Act shocked as you realize that this is a gay hate group masquerading as straight and tell them that they should read their own signs!

I've had several of them run away from me - and I never raised my voice or gave them any reason to believe that I wasn't on their side until I point out the implications of their strange lifestyle. They are so homophobic that they simply can't take any analysis that suggests they might be gay!

I'm an attorney in Kansas City. A slippery slope argument leading them into questioning their sexual identity drives them totally over the edge - every time.


Beautiful. i love it.
What I don't understand is the logic behind this proposed act; to picket the funerals because they might be gay (God doesn't do that to one of his own). I won't waste my time listing Christains who have been eaten by lions, crucified or burnt at the stake as witches or heretics - it isn't worth the effort.
But to cause misery - more misery - on the families of the deceased because there is a chance that they might be gay? Well that's just deplorable.

Fri, 20 Apr 2007 03:13:00 UTC | #30925

GodlessHeathen's Avatar Comment 12 by GodlessHeathen

What I don't understand is the logic behind this proposed act;
I see where your trouble is. =^.^=

It must be nice for the WBC sorts who base their whole life on their imagined sky daddy. Any manner of idea can be rationalized. Did something horrifically lethal happen to a person, that sky-daddy's omnipotence should have stopped? No sweat, it's just proof that person wasn't a real Christian. Did something horrifically lethal happen to one of our own? No problem; sky-daddy was just using an infidel to call home our own to their grand reward.

Ya can't lose!

Fri, 20 Apr 2007 03:25:00 UTC | #30927

serrano's Avatar Comment 13 by serrano

Grolaw, if you've seen "The Most Hated Family in America," the documentary about them available on YouTube, you'll see that there is nothing that could possibly make them go away. Maybe hope for some of the kids, but the adults will be doing this until the day they die. They're the only people in the world who are going to get into heaven after all!

Fri, 20 Apr 2007 03:27:00 UTC | #30928

macronencer's Avatar Comment 14 by macronencer

Phelps and his drones are as evil as the gunman. What else to say? I hope someone pickets /their/ funerals when they finally leave us.

Fri, 20 Apr 2007 03:35:00 UTC | #30930

PaulJ's Avatar Comment 15 by PaulJ

padster1976 said:

We had a program here on the BBC in the UK where the reporter spent some time with the family.
You can find a trailer on YouTube:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O228AQRvcqQ
or get the whole thing via bittorrent.

Fri, 20 Apr 2007 03:44:00 UTC | #30931

phasmagigas's Avatar Comment 16 by phasmagigas

of course the WBC is flawed in most respects but they do some things that some would find fitting. They push the religious righteous agenda so far as to beat many at their own game and so maybe encourage those peole to review their own religious views and infact to the average non believer their views are only slightly less extreme than many religious moderates views on heavenly exclusivity esp with regard to their own (very particular) religious brand. They have given Ted Haggard a hard time, i guess thats over his homosexual behaviour and not the fact that hes an arch hypocrite. I do give them credit for at least sticking to their guns and in fact risking life and limb, and with the upcoming school shooting picket i suspect that things could get very ugly indeed. Their views are seen by some as a type of treason and war on the US itself (freedom of speech anyone?)and as such lower the threshold for violence from otherwise 'normal' people.

Fri, 20 Apr 2007 04:21:00 UTC | #30938

phasmagigas's Avatar Comment 17 by phasmagigas

interestingly enough a youtube video shows an australian man interviewing them 9hes from a chatshow i believe), he deliberately though half jokingly suggests that phelps son? is 'giving him the eye' indeed the interviewer physically touches him. THe interesting thing is that in the face of an overt homosexual advance/accusation the group start ineffectually start shouting 'pervert' etc at him and hes right there with them, id have expected a lightening bolt or two, anyway it just seemed that they were no 'more' angry with him than with 1000's of dead who they never even knew.

Fri, 20 Apr 2007 04:27:00 UTC | #30940

Yorker's Avatar Comment 18 by Yorker

Perhaps another crazed gunman will show up and send the WBC vermin prematurely to heaven, it wouldn't surprise me and to be honest, it wouldn't disappoint me either.

Fri, 20 Apr 2007 04:43:00 UTC | #30945

savroD's Avatar Comment 19 by savroD

Is this free speech or yelling fire in a crowded theater?

Unfortunately for those holding funerals, I believe it's the former.

Fri, 20 Apr 2007 04:48:00 UTC | #30947

laks.84's Avatar Comment 20 by laks.84

wish i had a gun... i would like to go to the picket with that... (i m not really serious ab that)

I am stupefied by this group of people... with so much of hatred... and i am shocked to see that kid holding one of those placards... does he know what it really means??

Fri, 20 Apr 2007 04:58:00 UTC | #30949

phasmagigas's Avatar Comment 21 by phasmagigas

If any violence was directed at the phelps family it would be an interesting situation. You can bet those who commit/ed the acts will be christian and will be in part rationalisng it because they are christian and their less extreme version is the 'right' version.

Fri, 20 Apr 2007 05:24:00 UTC | #30955

frikkenkids's Avatar Comment 22 by frikkenkids

I am amazed that there hasn't been a violent reaction to these folks in the past. They certainly seem to be trying to provoke just that by picketing funerals of millitary families.

"The evidence is they were not Christian. God does not do that to his servants,"
Given this statement, I have to wonder what their reaction would be to some of them being hurt or killed while protesting. Would that be sufficient to convince them that they are not god's servants? Or would they be martyrs? How would they be able to tell the difference between a slaughtered infidel, who died a horrible and sudden death and so was not a servant of god and a person who died a horrible and sudden death and was, therefore, a martyr?

Fri, 20 Apr 2007 06:38:00 UTC | #30958

djmagaro's Avatar Comment 23 by djmagaro

There's a fascinating (in a car-accident sort of way) biography of Fred Phelps on-line. Google "Addicted to Hate." This "God Hates Fags" campaign, which has mushroomed into a sort of "God Hates Everyone But Us" campaign is a relatively recent development in the disturbing, violent, and bizarre life of this family cult. Of particular interest are the two brothers who left the family cult and have managed to put their damaged lives back together.

Fri, 20 Apr 2007 06:42:00 UTC | #30959

lt_zippy2's Avatar Comment 24 by lt_zippy2

Mind you if someone did crash their demo and killed several of them they would then twist it around as vindication of what they were doing.

Mind you what I find most disturbing is what is happening to those poor kids. Brainwashing isn't half the problem. What if one of them grew up and actually discovered that they were gay? (mind you the way that they "protest too much" suggests that actually some of them already are!)

The thing that got me about the whole incident at the college though was after it happened Bush got on the wire and said that American have the right to bear arms AND everyone was praying for the victims and their families...as if that is going to do any good! 2p in the box.

Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:38:00 UTC | #30966

Thrall's Avatar Comment 25 by Thrall

Quick! Someone tell Danish D'Sousa I found the christians at VT! Now if we could just find those athiests.

Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:03:00 UTC | #30970

JimmyJames's Avatar Comment 26 by JimmyJames

"Their extreme homophobia religious insanity has led them to protest at the funerals of servicemen and women killed in action."

Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:49:00 UTC | #30977

atheist_peace's Avatar Comment 27 by atheist_peace

When will Fred Phelps make his people drink the kool-aid?

Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:48:00 UTC | #30994

RabbitDynamite's Avatar Comment 28 by RabbitDynamite

Ahhhhh, the WBC: the lunatic fringe of the lunatic fringe.

Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:49:00 UTC | #30995

Janus's Avatar Comment 29 by Janus

Where are Christians when Bad Things happen?







Oh, there they are!

Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:51:00 UTC | #31008

poppea's Avatar Comment 30 by poppea

In response to: "The evidence is they were not Christian. God does not do that to his servants,"
Given this statement, I have to wonder what their reaction would be to some of them being hurt or killed while protesting. Would that be sufficient to convince them that they are not god's servants? Or would they be martyrs? How would they be able to tell the difference between a slaughtered infidel, who died a horrible and sudden death and so was not a servant of god and a person who died a horrible and sudden death and was, therefore, a martyr?


I watched the program a while ago, and this question was asked - "Would you rejoice if one of your family got cancer or was run over?" and the reply was something along the lines of "Yes. Absolutely. I think it's wonderful. I love cancer. Because God sent it."
Ouch.

Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:58:00 UTC | #31011