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Jos Gibbons's Avatar Comment 1 by Jos Gibbons

carbon dating produces more evidence that humans have been around for far longer than that
Carbon dating doesn’t go back more than a few times that long. It doesn’t even go back as long as humans have existed. It certainly doesn’t come close to the age of life on Earth, the Earth, or the universe, all many times older than people.
palaeontologists produce more fossil evidence showing how we evolved from apes
We ARE apes
Dawkins has a new book, The Greatest Show on Earth
It entered the bestseller list in your nation (Australia) months ago!
You compare the work of evolutionary scientists to that of detectives, trying to recreate the events that led up to a murder. It's a good analogy but some people will say well there are sometimes miscarriages of justice. Can you now say that evolutionists have got it all right and that there are no miscarriages of justice?
He can definitely say not all of evolutionary science is one giant miscarriage of justice. Some people didn’t commit those murders of which they were convicted, but murders happen, and we have ways of knowing who committed them; and evolution being completely wrong would be analogous to murder not existing, or at least to us having no way of finding out who committed them.
You can hear a longer version of that interview on our website from this evening.
I hope it’s posted here in an update to this thread.
Update - never mind that )thanks #466270).

Wed, 03 Mar 2010 17:19:00 UTC | #446325

gumby gumby's Avatar Comment 2 by gumby gumby

We are just big naked apes.

Wed, 03 Mar 2010 18:01:00 UTC | #446336

mirandaceleste's Avatar Comment 3 by mirandaceleste

1. Comment #466253 by Jos Gibbons:

I hope it’s posted here in an update to this thread.

It's available at the original link. Scroll down the page a bit- it's on the left side.

Wed, 03 Mar 2010 18:10:00 UTC | #446341

Cook@Tahiti's Avatar Comment 4 by Cook@Tahiti

Some interesting points raised...
The media has failed the public in several ways. The first is by presenting the issue as a debate with equal time for both sides, which Dawkins discussed during the interview. But another failure is not moving the issue forward. The same questions are being asked year after year. I wish we had some recordings of media interviews with Dawkins in the 1980s - I bet the questions would be very similar. If TH Huxley had gone on talkback radio in the 1880s (not that there was such a thing back then), I'm sure we'd find the questions put to him would be similar.

The presenter assumes his audience has never heard Dawkins talk about these points before.

Dawkins is very disciplined and polite to keep giving the same answers over and over again, like a doll with a rip-chord. I wouldn't have the patience.

Wed, 03 Mar 2010 18:18:00 UTC | #446345

InYourFaceNewYorker's Avatar Comment 5 by InYourFaceNewYorker

This a great interview, much better questions than usual.

Wed, 03 Mar 2010 18:22:00 UTC | #446348

chuckg's Avatar Comment 6 by chuckg

I found that supposed link to a longer, full conversation to be the same interview as the link from the whole radio show. In other words, there is no more of Richard, after he says there will be. Hum?!?!?

Wed, 03 Mar 2010 19:33:00 UTC | #446368

WereGryphon's Avatar Comment 7 by WereGryphon

Nice one. The first book on human evolution was written by Darwin's Bulldog, now it's time for his Rottweiler to do the same.

This is probably a trivial detail, but I hope Richard will pay some attention to the definition of "Monkeys" and how inconsistently (polyphyletically) the term has been used traditionally (though only in English). He didn't pay much attention to it in TGSoE, which is quite a shame. I mean, nothing is more refreshing than pointing out flaws in traditional terminology.

Wed, 03 Mar 2010 22:04:00 UTC | #446396

mirandaceleste's Avatar Comment 8 by mirandaceleste

6. Comment #466299 by chuckgoecke

Does this one work for you? (It's a direct link to the extra bit):

Wed, 03 Mar 2010 22:09:00 UTC | #446397

erindorothy's Avatar Comment 9 by erindorothy

Yep, we are just cheeky monkeys with car keys and rockets.

Wed, 03 Mar 2010 22:20:00 UTC | #446400

RickM's Avatar Comment 10 by RickM

Has anyone found the "longer version" of the interview? And no, the link in comment #8 is not the longer version.

Thu, 04 Mar 2010 05:20:00 UTC | #446483

mirandaceleste's Avatar Comment 11 by mirandaceleste

The link I posted in #8 is referred to as "an extended interview." That may be all there is.

Thu, 04 Mar 2010 05:33:00 UTC | #446485

SaganTheCat's Avatar Comment 12 by SaganTheCat

We are just big naked apes.

put some trousers on!

Thu, 04 Mar 2010 12:08:00 UTC | #446539

PERSON's Avatar Comment 13 by PERSON

"giving the same answers over and over again, like a doll with a rip-chord"
New RDF product FTW!
I'd buy one. How much speech can you get in a sound chip nowadays? Half an hour? And the pull could tighten a spring like the ones in clockwork radios...

What we would not then do is send the things to Haiti.

Thu, 04 Mar 2010 12:44:00 UTC | #446545

maria melo's Avatar Comment 14 by maria melo

The notion (or notionless) of time in myth is different from real historical time (or scientific) but, we´ll need to have notion of real historical time too. After all,it is part of human identity too.

I am happy that this year, in Spain, will probably open the new museum of human of Atapuerca, in Burgos, a province of Spain. New generations to come will in fact learn more about real time, and imagination is needed too, to make a correct notion of such huge scale of time ...

The incorporation of the videos is not allowed, but here is the link from the serie

Memory of Spain Episode 1: " At the beginning of times: From the Big bang to the Homo antecessor" - legended in English. ( And defines time as a human parameter).

Also with an episode 2 forom the same serie:"The Homo Antecessor and the Homo Heilderbergensis"

On youtube Tthere are virtual presentations of the new museum (in Spanish, all that I´ve found).

Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:19:00 UTC | #446565

telboy1999's Avatar Comment 15 by telboy1999

Although the interviewer's questions were reasonably interesting and showed that he at least knew a little about the subject (and may even have dipped into TGSOE), it still annoyed me when he wrote " we evolved from apes".

No, we bloody well didn't! We have a common ancestor! When is this old chestnut going to finally disappear!£!

Fri, 05 Mar 2010 08:17:00 UTC | #446700

PERSON's Avatar Comment 16 by PERSON

"No, we bloody well didn't! We have a common ancestor! When is this old chestnut going to finally disappear!£! "
Um, we did. They're now extinct. What we didn't do is evolve from contemporary apes. It would be worth being clear about this, but it seems hard to do tersely.

Fri, 05 Mar 2010 13:46:00 UTC | #446737

WereGryphon's Avatar Comment 17 by WereGryphon

Comment #466649 by telboy1999

I highly recommend you to watch the video I just posted. It is arguably one of the best videos in the whole YouTube. One cannot pack as much information into 11 minutes as AronRa.

"We used to say that men didn’t evolve from apes, but that men and apes shared a common ancestor. Now we have a better understanding of what an ape is, and that our common ancestor actually would have been classified as such, and so should we be."

Fri, 05 Mar 2010 13:50:00 UTC | #446739

louis14's Avatar Comment 18 by louis14

The point is raised about science's lack of success in communicating to the population.

Is there a substantial program of scientists going to schools to explain about what science is, and communicate some of the excitement and love of the real world that inspires it? I don't know how much is going on in our schools, but it seems to me that a few enthusiastic good communicators regularly doing the rounds of the school system would do a lot of good.

While the argument against the creotards and other woolly-minded evangelists must go on, surely the best way to win the argument is to show children just how wonderful the real universe is and why. And also to get across to them exactly what evidence-based arguments and scientific method actually are.

Fri, 05 Mar 2010 14:03:00 UTC | #446743

the great teapot's Avatar Comment 19 by the great teapot

Was Richards book really on HUMAN evolution.
I missed that bit.

Sat, 06 Mar 2010 15:09:00 UTC | #447007

the great teapot's Avatar Comment 20 by the great teapot

Sun, 07 Mar 2010 09:30:00 UTC | #447194