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Jon Stewart had Bill Maher on last night.

Really enjoyed it and it seems (what I always supposed) that Jon is an atheist too.

Now the religious nutcases are posting in the forums saying the usual stuff like:
- atheism is a religion too
- proofs for god
- pascals wager
- Einstein believed in god
- Bill will go to hell
- why are atheists trying to convert everybody...

just all the old arguments.

My english is not good enough, or I would crash arguments like these:

Since the Word of God (the 66 books of the Bible), which is not an unreasonable claim, tells us that if you search God out with all your heart and soul, you shall surely find Him, the reason why Bill is mindlessly agnostic is because he is too selfish to search God out with an honest heart. So he self-exalts himself as an agnostic despite the proof for God which I like to call the 4 Step Proof for God and which Bill can't find fault with. An honest person goes where the evidence leads him.

4 Step Proof for God (4SPFG),
4 Step Minimal Facts Approach (4SMFA) &
Observe also TAO4C

Notice the non-Christian (a) shuts his mind down, (b) misreads the Bible, (c) avoids dealing with and is (d) unable to disprove the 4 Step Proof for God or the Minimal Facts Approach which, therefore, remain unchallenged. To them we say, "In the name of Jesus Christ, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead in none other is there salvation: for neither is there any other name under heaven, that is given among men, wherein we must be saved" (Acts 4.10,12). May you experience the love and joy and peace of God completely proving His existence as shown in the Perfect Proof for God and the Minimal Facts Approach. These prove the resurrection of Jesus and that He is God. If you choose to refuse the forgiveness of the salvation of Christ on the cross, you will be resurrected for Hell. Jesus said, "I assure you, those who listen to my message and believe in God who sent me have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they have already passed from death into life" (John 5.24) which implies some shall be condemned and eternally separated from God.

4 Step Perfect Proof for God of the Bible (4SPFG)
1. Exponential progression of conscience disallows an eternity of the past of cause and effects in the natural realm since you would not still be sinning by now. Therefore, the uncreated created who is God of the Bible ONLY since none can compare to Christ.
2. Nothing in the universe is without a cause. Therefore, the uncreated creator is the only known available possibility who is God of the Bible since none can compare to Christ.
3. Don't argue against a quality of some god that is not the quality of God of the Bible, otherwise you are arguing not against God of the Bible but something else. (It is necessary to point this out because this problem of misreading the Bible happens so often.)
4. Exponential progression of conscience disallows the eternity of the past of cause and effects in the supernatural (the supernatural was proven to exist in Step 1 and 2) since you would not still be sinning by now. Ergo, the uncreated creator created who is God of the Bible because none can compare to Christ.

4 Step Minimal Facts Approach, Proving the Resurrection of Jesus and that He is God (4SMFA)
1. 95 to 99.9% of scholars in the past half century (we know this because we counted them) agree Paul really wrote and really believed what he wrote in 1 Cor. 15 and Gal. 1 & 2.
2. In these 3 chapters, Paul said he met with Peter, James (brother of Jesus) and John on several occasions in which the first meeting was with Peter and James within 5 years of Jesus' death on the cross, and they all agreed to the reason for being the eyewitness testimonies to the bodily resurrection of Jesus.
3. People do not go to their deaths as martyrs if they don't believe in what they are doing. The apostles really believed they saw, talked with, touched, walked with and ate with the resurrected Jesus which convinced them He is God when before they were doubters.
4. If no naturalistic theory can account for witnessing the bodily resurrection of Jesus, very probably it is true then they saw Jesus resurrected which shows He created us, He is uncreated and salvation is through Him. Therefore, Hell would be needed for the unsaved to keep them eternally separated from God's own people.

Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:51:00 UTC | #244262