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King of NH's Avatar Jump to comment 20 by King of NH

FAIL.. I don't need no congregation, I don't need no flock control.

And if some atheists don't agree? Are they still true atheists?

A tad unfair to you, DoctorE, I will grant, since I have taken your point further than you may have. But let me be kind and assume you take your position only as an individual, and that you hope others will take a position that fits with their own best interests. If this is the case, I don't see how Epstein failed in any way, or why you would say he did. If my more unkind summation was closer to the mark, then I wonder aloud, "Why are you on this site?"

Humans are social creatures. Had churches rejected dogma and formed learned groups with the intention of discussing, researching, and solving the earth's problems, Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, Dennet, PZ, Randi... They would all be just some iconoclast smearing graffiti on the walls of the Louvre for the fun of it. The group is not the problem with religion. Communities are not bad. Dogmatic authority is. I think humanists and other atheists forming communities to give comfort and support and to enact social progress, while open to certain problems, is more beneficial than preventing such groups will be. The one thing that is certain, though, is that nobody is forcing anybody else to join such groups either by medieval law or by threats of damnation. Those of us that want to group together offer only community, and hopefully a community with passionate disagreement, heated debates, and all of it in good fun and friendship.

Mon, 25 Jan 2010 23:03:00 UTC | #435214