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Sean Faircloth:
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That was indeed a bad choice of words. I just meant if it is consistent with our up-to-date knowledge.
Well that is a question with a more personal answer, because for me I look up to role models around me in my life. I guess that everybody has all sorts of different role models that they look up to. In terms of global role models, I don't really find too many people inspiring that I haven't actually met, but I think Stephen Fry would probably be at the top of the list. But I guess figures like Mary MacKillop and Ghandi could inspire people on a global scale. But people I know and interact with are much more relevant exemplars of moral behaviour than someone who may or may not have lived 200 years ago, may or may not have done the things he is purported to have done, and may or may not be the son of god/god himself. And it's not just the good people too. Some of the most important lessons can be learned from the more despicable people, global and local, historic or current.
Indeed, as is outlined in the catechism. And as is also subject to change at the will of the church, which makes changes according to pressure from the zeitgeist. Which indicates that moral guidance comes (in this day and age) more from secular progression than Catholic introspection.
Although, earlier in the discussion you did say:
So no, you don't have freedom of choice. Every event in time, as you describe it, was created simultaneously. Which means that we just get to experience it unfolding in terms relative to us (incidentally at 60 frames a second, I believe - I wonder why god chose that frame rate??), like a movie :). This means that every event, every moment, every choice, experience, action, reaction; it's all predetermined. This means no free will. Which means that when you fail to live up to Jesus' teachings (as laid down by the church, of course) it is because god created all those moments in which it is happening.
And this is why it is important to lay out one's hypothesis for god before leaping into debate. If you do not have a valid hypothesis for god, not only can you not provide evidence for him, but you also have no way of explaining why it is you must act in the ways which he hopes for you to act (other than, because there's no reason to believe there isn't a god or that he doesn't want me to act in this way).
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