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← Adolf Hitler: the world's most famous creationist

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Schrodinger's Cat writes:

If one stops cherry picking Mein Kampf and actually reads the whole book, Hitler actually goes into some detail about his motivations......and neither creationism or Darwinism feature at all as distinct elements. It is clearly political and nationalistic.

I have read the book, and you are wrong to say that creationism doesn't feature. Yes, the dominant themes are political and nationalistic and these provide the major motivations. But there is also a strand of creationism running through it, as I have shown quite clearly in comment 11 on this thread. Simply calling those quotes "cherry picked" is not a rebuttal.

In fact for every cherry picked so-called 'creationist' comment, one can find just as many naturalistic comments such as 'Eternal nature'....in one case right before a sentence with 'Almighty creator'.

So? Yes, there are "naturalistic" references to Nature and pagan/deistic ideas about gods in addition to Christian ones. But so what? In asserting that Hitler was a creationist I am asserting no more than he believed man of have been created by God in man's current form (as opposed to having evolved from earlier life forms). Nothing in Mein Kampf is incompatible with that.

By the way, the phrase "eternal nature" doesn't appear in the version of MK I'm reading ( http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200601.txt ). This is likely a translation issue, can you quote the whole sentence so I can see the context?

Neither would a creationist refer to a time when the Earth ' moved through the ether devoid of men '. That one phrase alone dispels all notion of creationism.

Not at all, it is entirely compatible with Old-Earth Creationism. OEC was actually the dominant view in many Christian circles in most of 19th C Europe, when science had begun to show that the Earth was far older than the recorded history of the Bible, but evolution was not yet widely accepted.

Please note that I am not asserting that Hitler was a Biblical-literalist 6000-yr-old Earth creationist in the modern American vein. Roger is right that that style of YEC was not common in Europe then. But OEC asserts that the Earth is far older than the creation of Man. There is nothing at all in that view incompatible with creationism (by which I mean creation of man in man's current form).

By the way, in the above linked version of MK that passage is (ending of Chapter 2):

Should the Jew, with the aid of his Marxist creed, triumph over the people of this world, his Crown will be the funeral wreath of mankind, and this planet will once again follow its orbit through ether, without any human life on its surface, as it did millions of years ago. And so I believe to-day that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator. In standing guard against the Jew I am defending the handiwork of the Lord.

Thus in this OEC view you have an old Earth existing for eons before God then created a Garden of Eden and created in it humans, or specifically Aryans, as Hitler believed. Note that in that "defending the handiwork of the Lord" the "handiwork of the Lord" is the creation of Aryans in the Garden of Eden. Hitler wanted to defend that handiwork by preventing interbreeding with "lesser races".

Some more quotes from MK, since people are accusing me of not providing evidence:

Everybody who has the right kind of feeling for his country is solemnly bound, each within his own denomination, to see to it that he is not constantly talking about the Will of God merely from the lips but that in actual fact he fulfils the Will of God and does not allow God's handiwork to be debased.
For it was by the Will of God that men were made of a certain bodily shape, were given their natures and their faculties. Whoever destroys His work wages war against God's Creation and God's Will.

Again, "destroying His work" means allowing interbreeding that would destroy the purity of the Aryan race.

Whoever would dare to raise a profane hand against that highest image of God among His creatures [ie. Aryans] would sin against the bountiful Creator of this marvel and would collaborate in the expulsion from Paradise.

Sat, 01 Jan 2011 13:41:12 UTC | #571873