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Veronique's Avatar Jump to comment 49 by Veronique

Ah well, the dust seems to be settling and a bit more information is coming to the fore to combat those who knee jerked out of left field when NCH was announced.

I agree with BenS ... what is the difference. The days of free HE are over and the days of getting jobs merely because you have had an elite education are over. Doesn't mean you should hanker for a mediocre education though.

Yes, in the ideal world ... that’s over too. Too many people, a small public purse and lots of fingers trying to pull out the increasingly meagre contents for health, baby boomer pensions, affordable housing and public this, that and t’other. As a good society we want to be able to fund these and education as well. It’s back to too many of us yet again. And that will only get worse, I am afraid.

I have never thought that a tertiary education should be geared to the world of commerce, but it is increasingly so almost in inverse relationship to the availability of those jobs. From the 1980s on, HE became more a job training exercise.

NCH – I like Grayling Hall much better – is not a new thing. However it will offer a core, compulsory unit set of science literacy, logic and critical thinking, ethics and business literacy for Humanities’ students. Not before time, I think.

No one is begging anyone to pay £18,000 a year to go to NCH. Some will and some won’t be slightest bit interested regardless of the fee or scholarship structure. If students try to beat down the doors of NCH to attend a College that has some well known named Scientists, Philosophers, Historians etc. for that sole reason then they deserve to rejected together with their cash in favour of the student who hasn’t the funds but shows the ability.

Those who do attend NCH will, in all probability, leave with a lot more than they came in with and hopefully they will all get jobs. But I seriously doubt it. The job market just isn’t there.

The naysayers have been quick to slate Grayling and, of course, RD for his involvement. So much of the criticism is an overarching concern with the money that the investors may make. I mean, really, get a grip.

Ajs261 – I should point out that when I went to Uni in the 1960s and 70s, some 10% or less of secondary school leavers accompanied me. Now the intake is about 38% to 45%. The same first year drop-out rate applies, maybe more. The same mediocre students get the same mediocre degrees and there are more types of mediocre degrees (Grayling is too kind) and less graduates are able to use their qualifications to garner work because there isn’t the same job market, jobs or employers.

So, maybe Grayling is offering a Humanities education, with some essential core units too long missing in the Humanities, for education’s sake. What a novel idea.

I wish Grayling et al the best. I hope NCH survives and produces graduates of note. There, how more positive can I be!

Stevehill makes the points I would, no need to repeat them.

Sat, 11 Jun 2011 18:24:13 UTC | #637268