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Veronique's Avatar Jump to comment 99 by Veronique

I am surprised no one has picked up on ozkrenskie’s comment 88. His back-of-the-envelope maths should put paid to the charge of money-grabbing at least. I will be very surprised if Grayling et al can expect a dividend for years. Remember the shares are private and unable to be traded. Whoever has put money into this knows his money is there forever. Better to think of it as a bequest.

ozkrenskie also points out something that Anonymous Activist could heed. You are angry at the wrong group and for the wrong reason. BTW you could learn html – it’s free and not difficult to master. It could be more useful for you to apply for representation of government education committees within the local government structures.

I very much doubt that Grayling et al have NO input into education per se in the UK. Education is their field, after all. They contribute not detract from the education debate in this country.

Someone, on the other thread I think, pointed out that in Sweden tertiary education – well, all education – is free. That is to the user, of course. Those who pay the taxes actually pay for that education and according to a quick google search Swedes pay 48.3% taxes. Then there’s VAT and a host of other (including church!) taxes and excises. Commonly touted as the highest in the developed world with taxation revenue at 50% ofGDP. UK is 36% and Australia is 32% for the same period.

Governments hate raising tax rates and crib wherever they can. So, yes, there is some point to the charge that privately funded education facilities could be playing into government hands. Cameron and Osborne are millionaires and have never had ‘proper’ jobs. They are unable to read the electorate and are tackling finance and expenditure badly. Railing against Grayling and Dawkins doesn’t cut the mustard with me.

I cannot see a problem with a privately funded HE establishment for about 2,000 students in a total (2010) HE students roll of 2½ million here in the UK. There may be more private HE starters but they certainly won’t have much, if any impact.

Open University here in the UK is not free. Courses can cost up to GBP£500. The OU has a terrific reputation and graduate placement record.

Michael, Bond Uni in Q’ld with 2,600 undergrads and 1,300 postgrads hasn’t had much impact (except in key performance indicators – not at all bad, in my view) and is still developing its coursework and qualifications. It is a not-for-profit Uni as will Grayling Hall end up. These things happen. NCH could well develop and change as did Bond Uni and eventually be granted university status.

Moreover, while ever Cameron et al push for publicly funded (in part) faith/ community schools expecting the communities to cough up dosh, then public education will have to keep fighting for grant monies. It means the expenditure cake is not being cut properly.

Education has to fight for funding and still will while ever governments (especially here in the UK) spend money on defence (imagine no Tridents = GBP£76 to 130 billion freed up for education) than on educating its youth.

Cheers V

Mon, 13 Jun 2011 10:14:32 UTC | #637863