This whole thing IS really, really pathetic and detracts from the real debates on how best to maintain our emergent civilization.

"When Adam sinned, he sinned for us," Mohler says. "And it's that very sinfulness that sets up our understanding of our need for a savior.

So, what Adam did was not that wicked after all?

I mean, if it were the only way to be redeemed and the only path to god, then how could it ever be considered a wicked act?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but....... Adam eats the fruit and starts a chain reaction to god's eventual redemption of everyone. Had he NOT eaten the forbidden fruit, no fall, no redemption, no real need for god. God just sits there twiddling his thumbs, watching matter and energy grow and fizzle out.

So, how was Adam's "wicked act" so wicked?

Oh, that's right. We're talking about mental midgets here. Christians don't possess the ability to comprehend anything beyond "THIS BAD, THIS GOOD, THIS FOOD, THIS ROCK, THIS BAD".

Why are they in charge again? Oh, yes. Of course, they are the vast majority! Crap.......... I think we have a problem.

Over the past few years, I've often wondered A.) What it would take for intelligent people to gain control? and B.) How in the world haven't the intelligent people already assumed control?