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Comment 9 by AtheistEgbert :

I think it is clear to see by now, that religion fails as a source of morality. The religious like to make claims that religion and belief in God provide a moral framework, without which, society falls apart. Well I challenge such claims, I think religion fails its own premises in providing any such framework for a moral life.

I think Alexandra Vachon @Alexandraa_x7 makes your point. She states in response to @G_Cimarelli that "if I wasn't 18 and wouldn't go to jail I'd beat the shit out o her idk how she got away with not getting beat up yea." She is quite honest in her reply(though I don't understand what the relevance of being 18 is ie if she was older she would beat her up? or if she was younger she would beat her up?). What is really stopping her from physically assaulting Jessica is that she would go to jail if she did. As an aside, she's also confused as to how Jessica did not get beat up; perhaps it never occurred to her that her would-be assailants, much like herself, did not want to "go to jail" either. Now note, it's not fear of gods or some sort of religious injunction to not physically attack people that is preventing her from acting; it's a temporal authority, the police acting on agreed upon laws by a legislature/parliament. Now, her reaction is but one piece of evidence, yet I don't think it would be too difficult to find enough people who would agree with Alexandra that what really prevents them from committing harmful acts are temporal authorities(of some kind) not religious injunctions against committing harmful acts.

As to Dawkins' question, not being a psychologist, I don't know what to say. I do notice though that many of the commentators are young people and some comments appear to be quite juvenile and that this may allow some to disregard what they are saying. I can understand that argument, intuitively. However, comments like this are disturbing: carys @XXX_carys: "When I take over the world I'm going to do a holocaust to all the atheists" or Tayler Crocker @TayCrocks "@somanygods shes not human shes garbage." Truly, carys' fantasy is impotent, but nonetheless disturbing and quite revealing.

Sat, 14 Jan 2012 17:59:18 UTC | #908266