Comment 12 by Red Dog :

Comment 7 by strangebrew :

I very much doubt believers would actually risk their soul fraternizing with the 'enemy' in any meaningful way...

In spite of your doubts it already happens all the time and has been happening for a long time. Many of the most dedicated people working for social justice and world peace are "believers" and they work with atheists and agnostics all the time. Some famous examples are Daniel Berrigan and Martin Luther King. I've also personally worked with many believers on these issues and I've often been impressed by their dedication and commitment.

Listen to what you're saying. "These people act so good, it's as if they're hardly religious at all".

This isn't an avenue we should consider. I stand firm with PZ and Hitchens, and many others. Humanists need to be, above all, honest. You cannot be intellectually honest with yourself if you are failing to abruptly address any bit of nonsense someone uses to justify their inane beliefs which do real harm now, right now.

And again, it doesn't matter how much "good" you can do with this. Religion may get kids off drugs, help society (doubtful) but it doesn't make it's teachings moral, or it's factual claims true and at the end of the day we WILL ALWAYS HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT.