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It is indeed jay29 who is "begging the question", by asserting the existence of an undefined "supernatural" and then asking others to disprove this undefined and unevidenced assertion.
Any philosopher's definition of the "supernatural" is likely to be based on" imaginary concepts" in magical stories from mythology. "Some author made up a story about imaginary events", is not evidence.
(Harry Potter books and films, are not evidence of supernatural "wizard magic".)
In order to have any connection to reality or existence, some definition of "beyond" the normal/natural/ or science etc, needs to be made.
This "beyond ..xxx..... definition" - can only be made AFTER defining the "normal/natural/or science". Defining the properties of nature, (that is what science is and where its "boundaries" [if any] are), must be established before any "beyond" can be defined.
These would have to be physical boundaries - not merely boundaries of personal knowledge or understanding (as with the example given by Slightly Permanent @18).
As has been pointed out:- trying to define "beyond a boundary", without first defining the boundary and establishing evidence of its existence, is illogical.
As Steve says @16:-
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