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Comment 35 by holysmokes

You point out that there may have been endless universes beginning and then fizzling out. Each time the remnants of the prior fuels the new one. Not your words to be sure, however I think that is the general idea of your comments. One could try to imagine this going on for eternity, past & future. If that is the case, then why couldn't a super-duper, all-knowing, all-powerful, being like a god, or at least like the Q on Star Trek TNG manifest itself over these countless trillions of centurys? Perhaps a creature that has learned to survive from one universe to the next unscathed? Sufficient time would not be an issue and we would certainly look at this being as if he/she/it were a god. I think it makes the "who created the creator" argument a moot point. Your thoughts?

This is, in my view, a very interesting point. It doesn't get rid of the "who created the creator" problem though, because the problem is one of complexity. If we want to try and explain some complexity in the universe by saying it was created, then we are stuck with having to explain the complexity of a creator. We still have the question of the creator even if that creator has been around for a very, very long time. The question is, or at least should be, about ultimate origins.

It could be quite feasible for a being with god-like powers to appear, but the only way we can sensibly explain how such a being got started is through a self-generating process - evolution. Evolved "gods" are perfectly scientifically reasonable, although I don't think it's reasonable to call them true gods.

Your question does have a connection to the question of why we haven't seen aliens yet - the 'Fermi Paradox' - if they are there, we should see them, it goes. Your question reveals that there is another form of this question - I call it the 'Temporal Fermi Paradox' - if beings could survive the end of one universe and the origin of another, somehow 'pass through' a Big Bang, we should see them.

So, the lack of evidence for gods is also lack of evidence for the idea of there being a previous universe with beings able to survive its end.

Sat, 28 Jul 2012 00:59:23 UTC | #950194