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Protest the Pope Part 3: German authorities prohibit protests - Comments

maria melo's Avatar Comment 1 by maria melo

Nicely written . Thank you for keeping others well informed. It was a shock at first to know that people cannot protest.

Wed, 31 Aug 2011 23:06:43 UTC | #866097

zengardener's Avatar Comment 2 by zengardener

Don't they need a specific, credible reason to censor?

Thu, 01 Sep 2011 01:28:41 UTC | #866144

Daniel Williams's Avatar Comment 3 by Daniel Williams

Sod them.

Protest any way.

Keep it up.

Thu, 01 Sep 2011 07:52:14 UTC | #866217

HenkM's Avatar Comment 4 by HenkM

Comment 2 by zengardener :

Don't they need a specific, credible reason to censor?

Thanks to 9/11 normal human rights have been reduced almost everywhere in the "western" world. You must have (after gw bush) an inkling what they (government) can do to normal (freethinking) citizens. Rgds

Thu, 01 Sep 2011 12:20:23 UTC | #866283

Atheist Mike's Avatar Comment 5 by Atheist Mike

@comment 4

Ironically, the tougher security measures were intended as a means to thwart attempts of religious nuts to influence society. In this case they're used exactly for the contrary. It's rather silly if you ask me. I long for the day when society will start using common sense.

Fri, 02 Sep 2011 03:17:23 UTC | #866536

Jonathan Dore's Avatar Comment 6 by Jonathan Dore

If they can't protest in public, perhaps instead you can encourage people who are still registered as Catholics by default (because of infant baptism), and who consequently are still having church-tax collected on their behalf by government and paid to the Vatican, to use the occasion of the pope's visit to go their local town hall (or wherever the transaction is performed) and formally de-register themselves. Hit the criminal paedophile organization where it will actually notice -- in the wallet.

Fri, 02 Sep 2011 12:41:05 UTC | #866609

alaskansee's Avatar Comment 7 by alaskansee

@ 6 Jonathan Dore

Good idea! Perhaps someone with some German could approach the coalitions web site. Hit them where it hurts - in the money sacks.

Fri, 02 Sep 2011 19:28:03 UTC | #866699

raytoman's Avatar Comment 8 by raytoman

Why would the Germans want to protest against a Nazi, especially when he heads up the worlds largest paedophile organisation and was personally responsible for authoring their latest protection mechanism for his paedophiles and the best cover up mechanisms?

You see they use taxpayers money to make his organisation a charity, give it tax free status and of course pay it to establish the orphanages, childrens homes and boarding schools that they need to carry out much of their sexual abuse against children (proved to be systemic in Ireland who of course still pay them to run the schools, orphanages, etc and naturally still give them tax free status).

As for the politicians? Hmmmmm? With a billlion members, you can't go upsetting the voters who are members of this odious organisation that calls itself a religion but bars sexually normal people from joining.

Easy to cover all of this up, or ignore the results of any investigation, when so many are involved or just pretend that Ratzinger is a good guy.........AArrgh...sorry, that was me puking!

Sat, 03 Sep 2011 02:31:30 UTC | #866796

aquilacane's Avatar Comment 9 by aquilacane

Comment 5 by Atheist Mike

I long for the day when society will start using common sense.

Pity there aren't enough commonly sensed people to make use of it.

Sat, 03 Sep 2011 13:03:58 UTC | #866863

justinesaracen's Avatar Comment 10 by justinesaracen

Here a more positive paragraph from the Spiegel article (translated by me)

Berlin's mayor, Klaus Wowereit (SPD/Left-Center party) showed "a lot of sympathy" for the protests announced for the state visit of Pope B XVI, against the sexual doctrines of the catholic church. Wowereit said to the reporter for dpa (the news service, I think) on Friday, "I understand, and it is right that the citizens (men and women) use the papal visit to draw attention to the fact that the catholic church with its doctrines represents ideas which belong in past centuries and not in modern times."

(So, at least the mayor of Germany's most important city is probably going to allow protest.)

Sat, 03 Sep 2011 15:57:55 UTC | #866932

Alan4discussion's Avatar Comment 11 by Alan4discussion

There is more news out recently!

I see the Vatican can be relied on to tell the "infallible troooffff", invent holes in the truth, and tell nothing like the truth! - Denial is denial, is denial, is denial! (Why would anyone want to protest????)

" The Holy See... in no way hampered or sought to interfere in any inquiry into cases of child sex abuse in the Diocese of Cloyne". Vatican statement

The Vatican rejects "unfounded" accusations made in the Irish parliament in July that it tried to cover up child sex abuse by priests and interfered in Irish laws. - http://www.channel4.com/news/vatican-denies-involvement-in-child-abuse-cover-up

Published on 13 July, the "Cloyne report" said Irish clerics had concealed from authorities the sexual abuse of children. It claimed the Vatican had treated mandatory child protection guidelines as "study guidelines" in a letter to Irish bishops.

Irish Foreign Affairs Minister Eamon Gilmore ordered Archbishop Giuseppe Leanza, the Pope's representative in Dublin, to return to Rome with a message to the Vatican that the Irish Government believed its conduct to have been disgraceful and unacceptable.

Mr Kenny said the report had exposed a dysfunctional, elite hierarchy, determined to frustrate investigations, and he said that religion did not rule Ireland.

Sat, 03 Sep 2011 19:44:14 UTC | #866977

raytoman's Avatar Comment 12 by raytoman

But of course the Irish still give this paedophile organisation tax free and charitable status, pay it to run orphanages, childrens homes and schools and it has a major say in the Irish Constitution, government and laws.

Methinks he doth protest too much!

Sat, 03 Sep 2011 22:41:23 UTC | #867025

Muldanian's Avatar Comment 13 by Muldanian

Freedom of expression is being withdrawn from much of society, and there seems to be little being done to fight it. It really shouldn't matter that the authorities have banned any protest. In the past protests went ahead anyway. The suffragettes didn't let the fact that their protests were unlawful stop them. There comes a time when people of courage need to make themselves heard, and obeying authority should be questioned. The banning of protests against the Pope is an example of the increasing respect given by political leaders around the world to people of religion. And it is a respect, which they do not deserve.

Sun, 04 Sep 2011 13:15:27 UTC | #867155

Alan4discussion's Avatar Comment 14 by Alan4discussion

Comment 13 by Muldanian

Freedom of expression is being withdrawn from much of society, and there seems to be little being done to fight it. It really shouldn't matter that the authorities have banned any protest.

German voters seem be be making a few protests of their own at present!

Merkel 'facing election loss' in her home state

German Chancellor Angela Merkel faces national elections in 2013

German Chancellor Angela Merkel's party has suffered a loss in elections in her home state, exit polls suggest.

The Christian Democrats (CDU) won 24% of the vote in the north-eastern state of Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania, down from 28.8% in 2006, the TV poll found.

The poll put the centre-left Social Democrats (SPD) ahead with 37% support.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14781469

Sun, 04 Sep 2011 18:57:15 UTC | #867241

TheRationalizer's Avatar Comment 15 by TheRationalizer

The Egyptians were recently told they could not protest.....and now their president is gone :)

Tue, 06 Sep 2011 08:35:15 UTC | #867796

Egon Voolavon's Avatar Comment 16 by Egon Voolavon

It's more sickening than watching the dieing in Africa. Not to make light of those poor ones in dire need, more the bodies, the time and monies the Ratttzinger Trophy generates for a sickening cause.

A sleekit looking weedy pervert in a frock, and stupid hat, is paraded around like a trophy in a bullet proof port-a-Loo, for committing crimes against humanity....again. Traditionally.

The face of child torture and rape, pimped around the planet to raise cash, and millions of people who think they are good social beings flock, in the hope of smooching his ring. They revere the face of child torture and rape, and they will defend the face of child torture and rape, until their dieing days. All in that order, which is simply torture to witness.

How the hell that freak ( he scores theology too, the crack head ) is not under palace arrest, at least, beats me? He should be rotting in some prison.

The tuetonic twat in the stupid hat, has been found guilty of crimes against humanity has he not, there are direct links to Ratttzinger and cover-ups of crimes against humanity is there not. Yet everywhere he goes a red carpet is laid out, and he is given a stage where he can publicly state as good as; 'people who do not trust [his] claims that God exists are Nazi's'. I'm not sure if he will crack that one in his Fuhrer Land, maybe he will say they are Jews or something instead of "Nazi's"?

Only culturally conditioning could allow such a perverse and sickening situation to be, only putrid cultural conditioning. The cancer of a sentient social specie, tradition before reason & evidence.What else could make millions of people so sick in the head that they would revere such an evil.

ATB

Tue, 06 Sep 2011 16:57:29 UTC | #867934

raytoman's Avatar Comment 17 by raytoman

Comment 15 by TheRationalizer

The Egyptians were recently told they could not protest.....and now their president is gone :)

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Really? Yesterday at Mubaraks' trial the key witness expected to name names of those who ordered the shooting of protesters couldn't remember any!

Plus la change, plus c'est la meme chose!

And Mubarak didn't look very sick.

Tue, 06 Sep 2011 23:46:48 UTC | #868044

Alan4discussion's Avatar Comment 18 by Alan4discussion

The Italian daily La Stampa in its English edition of Vatican Insider discusses the protests in this article: "Germany, the Mayor of Berlin Sympathetic to the Antipapists"

I suppose it makes a change for the pope to travel from Italy to visit Germany. Historically Germans travelled to Italy to visit the Vatican. - http://richarddawkins.net/discussions/643189-cartoon-hitler-mussolini-and-the-vatican?page=1

Fri, 23 Sep 2011 08:30:05 UTC | #874242