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educationsaves's Avatar Comment 1 by educationsaves

There is also a woman in Pakistan , Asia Bibi that has been sentenced to death for Blasphemy. She is currently being held in a prison cell with deplorable conditions. The article I read is by Ali Zafar in the Toronto Star Canada. It is a despicable tale that reaffirms my opposition to religious madness.

Sun, 13 Nov 2011 16:11:08 UTC | #889813

SheerReason's Avatar Comment 2 by SheerReason

After all of the assertions to the contrary by leading politicians in favor of our roles ( Britain, US and allies ), women still have no rights in Afghanistan. As pointed out above you can still be sentenced to death for blasphemy. It's perhaps worse than that actually. Read below from the wikipedia article on human rights in Afghanistan.

Women's rights Main article: Women's rights in Afghanistan

Women in Kabul voting for the first time in 2004.

The Constitution promises equal rights for men and women, and women are permitted to work outside the home, to engage in political activity, and the Constitution requires each political party to nominate a certain number of female candidates.

During the time of Taliban rule, women had virtually all their rights taken away. Matters ranging from wearing nail polish to job opportunities were severely restricted. By keeping women indoors, the Taliban claimed to be keeping them safe from harm.

In late March 2009, Afghan President Hamid Karzai signed into law an internationally condemned "Shia Family Law" which condones apparent spousal rape (in Article 132), child marriage and imposes purdah on married Afghan women. Although the offending legislation is said to have been dormant for a year, President Karzai was trying to gain the support of Afghan northern Shia legislators and the neighbouring Islamic Republic of Iran, which is Shia-dominated. According to Britain's Independent newspaper, the 'family code' was not read in the Upper House/Senate, and also enshrines gender discrimination in inheritance law and divorce against women

So apparently, Afghanistan is slipping back to the state it was in before our intervention. We've traded one group of bearded-troglodyte assholes for another.

Sun, 13 Nov 2011 20:13:24 UTC | #889872

Red Dog's Avatar Comment 3 by Red Dog

And, given the privileged position religion enjoys in the world in general, can anyone ever foresee a time when this won't be happening in Afghanistan?

The short answer is Yes. I think you need a bit of historical perspective.

Back before the US supported the Fundamentalists in their revolution against the USSR there was a socialist government in Afghanistan. They were far from perfect. They were pretty much just a puppet government for the USSR the way the current government is a puppet for the US. But they were light years better in terms of women's rights than the Islamic forces we put in power or anything that has come since then.

Its actually one of the things I find most ironic from western intellectuals who seem to think that sexism and fundamentalism are hard coded into the DNA of Islamic nations. They overlook the fact that there actually was a wave of secularism that had a real chance of succeeding in the middle east and elsewhere after WWII. However, the US and UK did everything in their power to destroy those movements because in addition to being secular they were also nationalist and believed in controlling their own resources, an idea that we equated with communism. As a result we spent billions supporting forces that tortured and murdered secularists and propping up the most vile of the hard line Islamic fundamentalists.

Islamic Brotherhood. Mujahadeen. Al Queda. None of them would have flourished without massive aid from the CIA and other western sources. And then several decades later we wring our hands and wonder why are these people so backward?

Sun, 13 Nov 2011 21:21:45 UTC | #889888

AnthropicConstance's Avatar Comment 4 by AnthropicConstance

Comment 3 by Red Dog

Agreed with all you've said. But I'll add a word as to the reason why we in the west have behaved so abominably: oil.

It's really that simple.

Sun, 13 Nov 2011 23:07:59 UTC | #889908

Red Dog's Avatar Comment 5 by Red Dog

Comment 4 by AnthropicConstance :

Comment 3 by Red Dog

Agreed with all you've said. But I'll add a word as to the reason why we in the west have behaved so abominably: oil.

It's really that simple.

I agree.

Mon, 14 Nov 2011 00:00:13 UTC | #889920

Odalrich's Avatar Comment 6 by Odalrich

Ten years after the expulsion of the Taliban in Afghanistan, the situation has not changed at all, old traditions die hard and it seems there isn't an interest to change them. The war, Western troops in the country, financial aid, reconstruction, etc. have been useless and has created more corruption; it all has been a waste of money and resources for nothing. I fear that once the West withdraws from Afghanistan, the Taliban will come back again. Afghanistan is doomed. I feel extremely sorry for Afghan women

Mon, 14 Nov 2011 00:23:04 UTC | #889923

Mundify's Avatar Comment 7 by Mundify

Here is something I wrote a year ago on another blog that I think sums it up from my perspective of having worked in Afghanistan and as a consequence the conclusions I came to;

Working in Kandahar it was interesting but mostly sad to see how these people live. There is a certain morbid but generally accepted dysfunction about the region; self-inflicted by the local nationals that dwell there. I say dwell because it is not living in the sense you might be living your life.

I wondered aloud why one very rarely saw women anywhere –accepted that they would be wearing their grim blue burka. I was told by local Kandahar gentlemen that there is an acceptable reason for this and that the reason is a mohammedans respect for women in general. Also that it would not be safe for them (women) to be outside of their homes as they could be raped or killed. Does anybody else feel a slight contradiction in terms / practice / philosophy coming on?

That a Nation - one of the poorest and certainly one of the most war torn - lives under this ‘code’; this apparently ‘god’ given but certainly Homo sapiens interpreted scripture; saddens me. How is it that an entire population can justify such thinking, will cut your throat, stone you to death, hang you, shoot you, blow you up with a road side bomb etc. in deference to such terrible and not just generally accepted but fundamentally defended delusion, is terrifying.

Whatever you opinion on the ongoing war in Afghanistan the empowerment and emancipation of women in these terrifying and sad regions is their only hope - just don’t hold your breath.

My humble message in very undiplomatic wording to the local Kandahar gentlemen would be thus – ‘Wind your neck in, man up and liberate your womenfolk’.

Tue, 15 Nov 2011 07:01:50 UTC | #890270