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Go to: Understanding Evolution and Being a Good Doctor

ozkrenske's Avatar Jump to comment 26 by ozkrenske

The electrician idea is interesting.

You are effectively doing rote work to a plan without needing to know the design principals. I guess as has been mentioned a doctor could work that way 90% of the time and unload the work on a different/specialist doctor for the other stuff.

But for actual design and modification work to complex electrical designs we use electrical engineers. People who have studied Faraday and Maxwell. Even then though many of those engineers have simply learnt equations and when to apply them.

Applied electrical research is effectively a static or set field, the equations are determined and they work, other branches of physics show why. So very little work is done on finding alternatives but if there was a valid falsification of those theories and ideas, then you would see massive research efforts into why they fail (see the discovery of exceptions and the research boom around super conductors).

Medicine though is not a set or static field, we still know very little about the interactions of many of the basic elements of medicine. As such the engineer level of medicine (I speculate that is the specialist) doesn't have set formulas and so needs to know more of the research side. Similarly the Medical researcher needs to know huge amounts about related Biology to determine functions and carry out their research.

I guess it is the simplicity of Physics and the fact that much of it, is actually near complete for our normal realms of comprehension, that makes the rote level of worker useful. If the whole of electrical theory was up in the air and no formulas existed and it was more of an art form then I would expect common electrical workers to need a lot more knowledge of current theory and research to be competent. That was the case for early electricians and mechanical workers, many of which made the jump to engineer/designer and researcher.

Just my musings on the idea. Not particularly insightful.

Wed, 30 May 2012 03:00:10 UTC | #944363

Go to: [UPDATE - BBC link added] 300,000 babies stolen from their parents - and sold for adoption: Haunting BBC documentary exposes 50-year scandal of baby trafficking by the Catholic church in Spain

ozkrenske's Avatar Jump to comment 123 by ozkrenske

Here in Australia there were (from the 1880's on) at least 1 catholic run maternity hospital in each state capital.

It was common for the charity ward/s (seen as single parents but certainly not always the case ) to have a much higher statistical death rate even though the care was given for free for a longer period. It has since been found that many catholic poor had supposed still births at a rate up to ten times higher than the non charity wards. One Melbourne Catholic Maternity hospital had records of less than 1 in 10 children leaving the hospital with their mother from a charity ward stay for the whole of the 1950's and this was documented in the Hospital Governing boards reports as a great success in child placement and welfare.

Stories have circulated through national Current afairs shows etc about cases in the 1950's and 60's where babies that did die in the non charity wards would simply be replaced from the charity wards. DNA now proving that 40 year olds are not actually their parents children. Estimates of one child a hospital a day as forcible adoption or otherwise lost have been made for Catholic maternity Hospitals in Australia for the 1940's, 50's and 60's. That is 6+ a day Australia wide for a mostly protestant country, Spain with a greater population and primarily Catholic would easily surpass that so the figures could well be in the correct ball park.

There was of course the attached mothers homes for expecting mothers who were required to sign away their children in deceptive paper work months before delivery. With documented proof that many of these documents were forged. Effectively the only way to keep your child was to abscond from the homes and avoid the police who were sent after you for your own safety. Of course then you would almost certainly lose your child to social services (and then to a catholic orphanage) right up to the mid 1970's.

We have had official National apologies to Aboriginal stolen generations, European Orphans (many 10,000's of abused children who weren't orphans shipped to Aus after WW2) and State level apologies for Abuse at religious homes etc (principally Catholic). The Catholic church has managed to avoid a direct investigation on their specific operations through massive political effort. It has all generally stopped since the begining of the 80's after 100's of years and the Catholic church is simply hoping to put off through delaying tactics the problems until the victim's are dead. Unfortunately people are living longer and using the internet to find out they are not alone and there are whistleblowers.

The RCC has not got a good history here in a mostly protestant country I can only imagine Catholic Dominated countries and Catholic Dictatorships are simply worse.

Thu, 20 Oct 2011 01:56:23 UTC | #882270

Go to: Germany: Politicians plan boycott of pope’s Bundestag speech

ozkrenske's Avatar Jump to comment 19 by ozkrenske

Wow that old codger in white appears to have knicked by Nana's hat. She won't be happy.

Thanks SoHelpMeReason, I normally read, image throttled, but I went and refreshed just to see and the above reaction was the first thing to jump out of my mind.

I must assume the archaic clothing traditions of the Catholic church are a simple reflection of the the unchanging, 'Rock against time' image of the RCC.

Sun, 26 Jun 2011 23:37:14 UTC | #843171

Go to: "The £9,000 tuition fees cap won't last – we're biting the bullet first"

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Alright, I don't comment often but I have trouble seeing the controversy. A group of Academics wish to establish a College of higher learning targeting a specific area of humanities that is effectively ignored these days at most universities. I am assuming someone broached the idea with regards to gaining government subsidies and they were told 'Ha Ha Ha, you've got to be kidding'.

At this point there are two choices don't do it or charge for it.

If they still wish to go ahead it will cost for the College facilities, the support staff, the academics, research and study trips. Taking into account the Small student numbers, the illustrious level of some of the academics and the location in central London, I'm astounded it could be done for 18 000 pounds a year.

I work in a university in Australia (small, 22K students 85% undergrad). We have had 0 as in 'no, nil, not any' impact from the Global depression of the last 3 years. We have weirdly ploughed onwards with 3-4% growth. Our population don't understand how good they have it and our University staff in particular appear blind to it. The reports out of Europe for funding cuts would completely shatter our lovely little Academic high house if they were to happen here.

Our subsidies though are just for Australian Students. After subsidies they still have to pay (at full time enrolment rates) between 6 400 and 19 200 dollars a year for tuition. Scholarships help out about 20% of the population to a greater extent. But then you see the full on charges to overseas students (about half of the student load at the University I work at) and they run 16 000 to 33 000.

It is simply hard to see why people are being upset by private institution, without subsidy, needing to charge their students.

If you don't want the charges, get the Government to subsidise, getting angry with the institution just seems misguided. As in you are targeting the wrong target. Of course if you believe it should instead simply be subsidised by the Charity of somebody (that mythical beast). Then the institution will find a bunch of rich people to beg money from and then lose their independence too. Let’s call it the ‘Rupert Murdoch college of Humanities’, business ethics courses included.

The argument that wealth is the only way in also appears wrong. Wealth gets you through the door. But it appears the only way to get to the door is to get the grades to be exceptional. Exceptional grades appear to be the main blockage of entry. I must assume that the courses can be done over extended periods so that the annual cost can be reduced, add in scholarships and education loans and it would appear that wealth is not even that great a gate keeper.

Back of the envelope time. 500 students (given Scholarships) gives 400 full time payments at 16000 gives a 6.4 million annual budget.

Given at least 20 administration and support staff = 850 000 assuming 35 000 average each with on costs.

Given at least 50 proctors and tutors of various loading levels = 1 250 000 assuming 20 000 average spent each with on costs.

Given 20 full time lecturers at level 8 average = 1 100 000 assuming 45 000 average with on costs.

Given 15 part time visiting professors at the top of grade 10 (international renown) = 450 000 in payments (possibly more for additional guest lecturers)

Cost of lease of space in central London (pure estimate here) = 2 500 000 a year with costs.

So before looking at research, library, computing and a myriad of other costs, we have; 850 +1250 +1100+450+2500 = 6150 or 6.15 million in costs.

I certainly can’t call the costs unreasonable(no order of magnitude issues apparently), How would anyone else foresee a new non-government funded institution to be set up and costed. Show us your figures and no saying ‘Kumbia, they should do it for free, and a warm feeling’.

(Salary figures from the UK pay guidelines for Higher education, Leasage estimates from an hour searching for Leased space of suitable size in london.)

Sun, 12 Jun 2011 15:32:30 UTC | #637600

Go to: Message to American Atheists

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Wonderful words from Mr Hitchens, my best wishes on your continued existence into the future.

Of greater concern though is the apparent recasting of his legacy by his brother. Peter Hitchens was interviewed on the Sunday late night religion show on the ABC (Australia) ( Unfortunately the most recent show is still yet to be Podcast, hopefully due to the two public holidays, rather than in an attempt to downplay the content.

He was making some incredible statements with regards to Christophers beliefs. If I remember rightly it wasn't quite a claim of conversion, but certainly there were statements of backing down and refutation of much of his work, effectively a reversal of thoughts expressed in 'God Is Not Great'. He also blathered on about to paraphrase 'of course Christopher is scared about dieing and it is causing him to rethink his beliefs and relook at his faith'. In fact it appeared that around half the interview was about Christopher's beliefs rather than Peter's, although that could just be my angry recollection.

I have sent an email to the show protesting the one sided statements and suggested there is a long history of restating the facts by religious people and organisations with regards to outspoken non theists, and even people of other religions.

The letter from Christopher certainly appears to justify my indignant reaction to his brothers public statements.

Tue, 26 Apr 2011 06:51:11 UTC | #619514

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